GD "Graphic Novel" Collab

[The Daughter of Rage and Love]

I wanna join! I can draw (I don't have a scanner; though, just a digital camera).

[JohannaRaeRamone.]

I wanna join! I can draw (I don't have a scanner; though, just a digital camera).

It's all good.

[The Daughter of Rage and Love]

It's all good.

Thanks!

It's all good.

What can I do? Are there any characters who need designed or something?

[JohannaRaeRamone.]

Thanks!

What can I do? Are there any characters who need designed or something?

You're welcome!

Well not yet, although it may be good to start thinking about that. RIght now we're writting the album in story form so that we can base the plot off of it. So if you'd like to help with the writting aspect of it that'd be awesome, just scim through the previous posts and you'll get an idea of what's goin on.

[Christina C]

Uhm I hope I can be apart of this. I can help with writing but I also draw comics and stuff, so, if you need me, I'm here. :>

[GenerationZer0]

I'd love to help but this is something I'll forget about tomorrow morning so I'll just twiddle my thumbs. Tis a wonderful idea though.

[JohannaRaeRamone.]

Uhm I hope I can be apart of this. I can help with writing but I also draw comics and stuff, so, if you need me, I'm here. :>

Cool. Nice platypi, they're really great.

Okie dokie guys, what comes next? We kind of have an idea on American Idiot, what's going on with Jesus of Suburbia? (the track) Also, what will JOS' name be?

[kelly42fox]

Cool. Nice platypi, they're really great.

Okie dokie guys, what comes next? We kind of have an idea on American Idiot, what's going on with Jesus of Suburbia? (the track) Also, what will JOS' name be?

Maybe 'JoS' should remain nameless... since he's sorta lost...

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

Hmm, I kind of agree with that. I don't really think it's necessary either, since I don't think there will be like, conversation in there (I think? Sorry if I'm assuming things that aren't true), where someone has to start with his name.

[st.idiot]

i don't think his name should be johnny-i think it should be jake. and for j.o.s. hmmmm......we could show what his life is like-staying at 7-11, show how a little bit how he acts towards his mom and at home and with her brad(s). then show him buying drugs and stuff. then have him walking through the city by himself. for i don't care we could have some crazy collage thing where he get's into an argument and have him leave the house or something. that's all i can come up with because i have to leave now so sorry i couldn't come up with more

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

I think it would be cool to do something more .. I don't know the word for it, but that doesn't literally shows Jesus being angry, but more something that shows his rage.... for I Don't Care. I'm not really being clear, am I?

How much space do we have to capture a part like, in this case, I Don't Care? Like, one big picture, or something à la cartoon where you have a couple of different images...

[st.idiot]

i think it'd be neat to have like different scenes for each part to kinda keep it short but i think for this it'd be more like not like cartoon wear it's small sqaures but something in between one big pic and squares like have a four square thing or something

[JohannaRaeRamone.]

Well see this is where it's open to interpretation. I don't really want tiny consticted traditional comic strip panels. What might work is some of those for story telling purposes and then more artsy full-page scenes for a more aesthetic, interpretational angle as well. Same layout for the photography participants. (Haven't decided yet what I'm doing myself even) Have some of the parts be literal, showing-whats-going-on, and others more abstract and symbolistic, maybe with lyrics printed with them for clearification.

I like the idea of him not being buckled down to a name because he's drifting through his life. Maybe he could be called different names? Like a stupid fake punk name in the suburbs, and either something endearing or insulting from his mom, and then something else in the big city, and then at the end we see him write "Whatsername" as a thank-you letter, or maybe JOS becomes a musician and we find out he wrote the whole story we've been telling as an autobiography through lyrics, (get what I mean?), or maybe he's filling it out as a journal at a rehab clinic? Well the point is at the end he actually signs his real name and this symbolizes the cycle of him growing up.

[Christie's_Blvd.]

Well see this is where it's open to interpretation. I don't really want tiny consticted traditional comic strip panels. What might work is some of those for story telling purposes and then more artsy full-page scenes for a more aesthetic, interpretational angle as well. Same layout for the photography participants. (Haven't decided yet what I'm doing myself even) Have some of the parts be literal, showing-whats-going-on, and others more abstract and symbolistic, maybe with lyrics printed with them for clearification.

I like the idea of him not being buckled down to a name because he's drifting through his life. Maybe he could be called different names? Like a stupid fake punk name in the suburbs, and either something endearing or insulting from his mom, and then something else in the big city, and then at the end we see him write "Whatsername" as a thank-you letter, or maybe JOS becomes a musician and we find out he wrote the whole story we've been telling as an autobiography through lyrics, (get what I mean?), or maybe he's filling it out as a journal at a rehab clinic? Well the point is at the end he actually signs his real name and this symbolizes the cycle of him growing up.

I really like that, the name thing. Especially the musician and rehab ones, but I think the musician thing would work best here as it's a sort of more reflective way of telling a life story using symbolism and everything and it lets you know that the story is how he thinks of himself and shows what he's thinking about his past and how he's treated other people and...stuff. I'm not quite sure I phrased that right.

P.S: I'm starting my art thread tommorow since my best friend's coming round so she can help me scan my stuff into the computer. Don't get your hopes up though, it's not half as good as some of the people contributing.

[st.idiot]

Well see this is where it's open to interpretation. I don't really want tiny consticted traditional comic strip panels. What might work is some of those for story telling purposes and then more artsy full-page scenes for a more aesthetic, interpretational angle as well. Same layout for the photography participants. (Haven't decided yet what I'm doing myself even) Have some of the parts be literal, showing-whats-going-on, and others more abstract and symbolistic, maybe with lyrics printed with them for clearification.

I like the idea of him not being buckled down to a name because he's drifting through his life. Maybe he could be called different names? Like a stupid fake punk name in the suburbs, and either something endearing or insulting from his mom, and then something else in the big city, and then at the end we see him write "Whatsername" as a thank-you letter, or maybe JOS becomes a musician and we find out he wrote the whole story we've been telling as an autobiography through lyrics, (get what I mean?), or maybe he's filling it out as a journal at a rehab clinic? Well the point is at the end he actually signs his real name and this symbolizes the cycle of him growing up.

i loooooooooooooooove the end.

[JohannaRaeRamone.]

i loooooooooooooooove the end.

Whoohoo, which one did you like? Like a letter to Whatsername, musician, or rehab? Or maybe a combination even!

[st.idiot]

rehab

[JohannaRaeRamone.]

Okay, cool, we have the very end and very begining. What else?

[st.idiot]

lol well we kinda need everything else lol which is pretty much the whole story

[JohannaRaeRamone.]

lol well we kinda need everything else lol which is pretty much the whole story

Haha well yes that I agree with. I'm wondering where all my story writting people went, I don't wanna do this without everybody and have them unhappy later.

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

lol, I feel like such a dick when I constantly say what I think about things and it isn't always positive

I don't think there should be too much like, specific (and cliché!) things in the story, like (consciously using things said here) a drug-addicted mother, or JOS in rehab... the American Idiot story isn't a very original story in itself already, and if you keep adding more troubled teenager clichés to that, to me it would feel very forced.

I like the thing of the changing in names, and in the end it turns out to be a reflection.I like what they did in the AI booklet with Letterbomb, and we could just do that in the end instead, sign it with -J, that being the last image. That way you don't put the story and the persona into the restriction of giving the JOS an actual name, but it shows he let go of the Jesus of Suburbia image he's been holding up (and hiding behind?), and instead grew up and out of that.

I think Novacaine would work very well if that was just a more abstract thing, putting visuals to the feeling of the song, possibly accompanied by lyrics worked into the image. Not a literal someone shooting up drugs and being all woo-y about it, but like, putting the feeling of the song into a visual. Sorry for the awful explanation, I can already barely do it in Dutch, let alone translate it to English where my vocab is lacking

It's really annoying, I keep having ideas, but I have no idea how to alter that to fit this (instead of a video or something).

[st.idiot]

in the end it turns out to be a reflection.I like what they did in the AI booklet with Letterbomb, and we could just do that in the end instead, sign it with -J, that being the last image. That way you don't put the story and the persona into the restriction of giving the JOS an actual name, but it shows he let go of the Jesus of Suburbia image he's been holding up (and hiding behind?), and instead grew up and out of that.

i kinda like that idea. and for give me novacaine i think it should be kinda abstract to me that's his experience with the st.jimmy side and him taking drugs and that whole thing so i think it should be for lack of better words more drug related

[st.idiot]

i just saw the music vid for j.o.s. and what really cought me was the mother saying to jimmy (apparently that's supposed to be his name but w/e) "who gave you the right to start shit? what are you jesus nailed to that cough suffering from my sins." that really got me and hit me so hard in the face that i knew that it had to be somehow included in this. i think that that should be one of the pictures or somehow be like a visual or something for the j.o.s. part-to kinda capture what his relationship with his mom is really like, what life at home is for him

[JohannaRaeRamone.]

i just saw the music vid for j.o.s. and what really cought me was the mother saying to jimmy (apparently that's supposed to be his name but w/e) "who gave you the right to start shit? what are you jesus nailed to that cough suffering from my sins." that really got me and hit me so hard in the face that i knew that it had to be somehow included in this. i think that that should be one of the pictures or somehow be like a visual or something for the j.o.s. part-to kinda capture what his relationship with his mom is really like, what life at home is for him

Okay, I agree wholeheartedly on the anti-cliche front, but seriously. It's American Idiot. We can't avoid them all without compleatly abandoning the album. If anything I would like to use this as a medium to exploit and condem those cliches, like, use JOS and his suberban punk gang as bad cartoony punks trying to follow the cliches like they're some answer, and then we see him grow out of it, see real dark stuff, and throw it all away.

Yeah, I always liked that exchange between JOS and his mama there, I don't know if I want us to lift anything straight from the video or not though. Hmmm...

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

Okay, I agree wholeheartedly on the anti-cliche front, but seriously. It's American Idiot. We can't avoid them all without compleatly abandoning the album. If anything I would like to use this as a medium to exploit and condem those cliches, like, use JOS and his suberban punk gang as bad cartoony punks trying to follow the cliches like they're some answer, and then we see him grow out of it, see real dark stuff, and throw it all away.

Yeah, I always liked that exchange between JOS and his mama there, I don't know if I want us to lift anything straight from the video or not though. Hmmm...

Oh no, I didn't mean it like avoiding all clichés, but more like, not adding more where it's not really necessary.

But what you said, sounds really cool. Chasing the clichés, trying to be like them and seeing that as their goal and purpose, do you mean it like that? and then ... well basically what you said. I really like that!

I really like the Jesus nailed to the couch thing. It could be a very powerful image. Not sure how to do that though and make clear what it represents...but even if it isn't to show the relationship with his mom, I love that image. It completely fits with the whole thing of him calling himself Jesus of Suburbia and all... although on the other side, I never really got the impression the JOS thinks he's the Jesus of surburbia (not using a capital on purpose), that he has this inflated ego... it's more that his mom thinks that, or something? But then that also fits, the nailed to the couch (instead of cross), that he doesn't really do anything... I still have to make my mind up about this, but I really like that thing