GD "Graphic Novel" Collab

September 10, 2010

I think what we need to do before going any further is decide what songs we will be using.

And I'll keep list of what we've got so far and what we'll be using.

i was under the impression we were using every song except wmuwse-we're just deciding weather what b-sides to use-we're already using too much too soon. it's just shoplifter, governator and favorite son

September 10, 2010

Oh boy, I missed a lot today. Calm down brothers and sisters, put down the b-sides and nobdy get hurt. : )

The main reason that we would push to use B-sides is to make material for all of the artists that want to participate. Too Much Too Soon aside the songs are pending as we determine their integrity within the story. Are we just going to throw Billie Joe's Mom in the middle of American Idiot? No. If it doesn't have a purpose it's not going in.

Governator: The only way I think this would work is if you took the song out of the obvious Calafornian context and made it mean something different. For example we could pick up the loose ends of polital themes we leave dangling off of American Idiot. JOS is pissed off at politics and has a horrible distrust of politians due to the episode with his dad. (If you don't know what I'm talking about ask ) Perhaps JOS is sitting with Whatsername and they're watching the news and trying to talk politics, and she sees that he doesn't have any beliefs really, just hate.

Shoplifter: I really don't have a strong taste for this one, it's too fun and lighthearted. As I've said before I can kind of see it as a flashback to him as a kid trying to get into trouble, but JOS doesn't have the insight to look back on that with disdain and humor until the end of the story. By that point the songs that are already there make a strong close, Shoplifter would kill it.

Favorite Son: This isn't really about JOS in any way. Maybe he could meet a kid in the city who tried to follow to make it scamming in politics and fell on his ass and now he's been brought down to the same level of JOS, doing drugs and broke

Okay, so obviously these don't fit into the story in a nescesarry way, but for the sake of making it our own and elaborating it's an OPTION. And don't forget we still have flashbacks to play wtih.

And yeah, I started an outline for all the songs we have so far, we should update it.

September 10, 2010

personally i think that favorite son is the most irrelevant. now for governator i can see many different types of meanings and stories for this. it could be at the end of the album album meaning that he could come back to the city before he goes home, it could be after or near whatsername meaning that he could possibly go after whatsername-both of those meaning he's gonna someway come back to the city or we could have it at after jesus of suburbia and use it as foreshadowing-you pretty much get the idea. aaaand last but not least shoplifter-now as johanna has said we could use it as a type of flashback or use it to see his life before all of this. my idea for it is that we use it after like blvd. or after st.jimmy to show how desperate he is to get what he needs and that he's on his last legs. that's my input and it's whatever if you don't like it or disagree or whatever-i'm sure we can all come to an agreement and work things out or if you wanna add or take something out that's fine but like i said that's my version/vision of things.

September 10, 2010

I think both Governator and Favorite Son, if anything, fit in the American Idiot song vibe of the story, in the sense of that they're both "the government sucks", to simplify it.

. my idea for it is that we use it after like blvd. or after st.jimmy to show how desperate he is to get what he needs and that he's on his last legs

I'm sorry if I reply to you in a disagreeing manner too much, I'm not doing it on purpose, haha. But why that? What is your interpretation of Shoplifter? I mean... what is the logic in putting a song that's like "hmm, what I and my friends used to do (shoplifting) is pretty stupid", in a somewhat lighthearted way, right after he either was all sad and weepy on how he's alone etc, or after met the bad influence guy?

September 10, 2010

I think both Governator and Favorite Son, if anything, fit in the American Idiot song vibe of the story, in the sense of that they're both "the government sucks", to simplify it.

I'm sorry if I reply to you in a disagreeing manner too much, I'm not doing it on purpose, haha. But why that? What is your interpretation of Shoplifter? I mean... what is the logic in putting a song that's like "hmm, what I and my friends used to do (shoplifting) is pretty stupid", in a somewhat lighthearted way, right after he either was all sad and weepy on how he's alone etc, or after met the bad influence guy?

i may have said earlier that i thought governator is irrelevant but as you can see i changed my mind and gave you guys like 5 different situations which the song would fit. as for shoplifter:

#1 the lyric: jimmy cought stealin'. #2 like i said, he's in the city, just took a lotta drugs and like all st.jimmy is my hero and after gmn. he's desperate doesn't have money can't talk to anyone and doesn't have conects and he steals for food. simple as that. if your asking why i interpreted it that way then i'm sorry but i can't give you an answer because everyone's unique and it wouldn't be very relevant.

September 10, 2010

i may have said earlier that i thought governator is irrelevant but as you can see i changed my mind and gave you guys like 5 different situations which the song would fit. as for shoplifter:

#1 the lyric: jimmy cought stealin'. #2 like i said, he's in the city, just took a lotta drugs and like all st.jimmy is my hero and after gmn. he's desperate doesn't have money can't talk to anyone and doesn't have conects and he steals for food. simple as that. if your asking why i interpreted it that way then i'm sorry but i can't give you an answer because everyone's unique and it wouldn't be very relevant.

I wasn't talking to you with the Governator comment, but okay. I know what you think, I just said what I think about it, not in regards to a specific post or opinion about it.

There isn't a lyric "Jimmy caught stealing" in Shoplifter, idk where you got that from. Well, the way you interpret it is perhaps not relevant to the whole novel thing (although in a way, in a couple degrees (?????) it, is), but I'm just curious, since everything you say about the song and what could be done with it etc is completely different, if not the complete opposite, to anything that song, to me, stands for. I would just like to know what you think the song means, what the song is about (not in the story of this novel, just in general), because it so drastically differs

September 11, 2010

I wasn't talking to you with the Governator comment, but okay. I know what you think, I just said what I think about it, not in regards to a specific post or opinion about it.

There isn't a lyric "Jimmy caught stealing" in Shoplifter, idk where you got that from. Well, the way you interpret it is perhaps not relevant to the whole novel thing (although in a way, in a couple degrees (?????) it, is), but I'm just curious, since everything you say about the song and what could be done with it etc is completely different, if not the complete opposite, to anything that song, to me, stands for. I would just like to know what you think the song means, what the song is about (not in the story of this novel, just in general), because it so drastically differs

but you've been cought stealing is what i thought was jimmy cought stealin'. honestly i disagree with what you're saying and sure it's your opinion but to be honest i don't agree with you at all. you're telling me that after j.o.s./st. jimmy is spending money on drugs and that he has no money and after give me novacaine after he's high that he's spent all his money on drugs and that he goes to steal because he has no money at all because of drugs is irrelevant? he's got no money cause of drugs and his life is a piece of horse shit so he steals because he has nothing. i don't see what you're saying.

September 11, 2010

but you've been cought stealing is what i thought was jimmy cought stealin'. honestly i disagree with what you're saying and sure it's your opinion but to be honest i don't agree with you at all. you're telling me that after j.o.s./st. jimmy is spending money on drugs and that he has no money and after give me novacaine after he's high that he's spent all his money on drugs and that he goes to steal because he has no money at all because of drugs is irrelevant? he's got no money cause of drugs and his life is a piece of horse shit so he steals because he has nothing. i don't see what you're saying.

Ah, okay. I also see why our opinions differ. I don't think Shoplifter is about JOS going out stealing, I think it, first of all, doesn't have a specific POV, and that it's also not about someone going stealing either. I think it is about that stealing is wrong, or least not a smart thing to do. I'll explain why I think it is about that.

"It's not considered stealing

Unless you're getting caught

But you'll be caught stealing

Tryin' to take something you haven't got"

Basically, to me that says that it's not actually a superbad or badass thing to do, as long as you don't get caught, which you actually will.

"Shoplifter, you'll never learn

When you commit the crime

Shoplifter, you're getting burned

And now you gotta do the time"

You're gonna get what you're gonna get if you shoplift.

"Shoplifter, you'll never learn

What lies behind your back

Not a burgler or a bankrobber

Just a kleptomaniac"

You're not a real criminal, you're just getting some weird addiction sorta thing.

on a side-note, I hope this discussion isn't bothersome to others. I think it might also be ontopic still, because you could consider it discussing whether to put the song in there or not.

September 11, 2010

I don't know if an outside view help you with this, but I agree with both of you on the Shoplifter issue. Yeah, of course JOS/Jimmy is in a ripe position to be stealing, I think it's just assumed in AI that he's living off some crooked way of supporting himself. So yes a song about him stealing would fit well in all of the places you've meantions St. Idiot.

But what I think Rage and Love is trying to get at is just because Shoplifter was recorded with American Idiot doesn't mean it fits into the story line. Neither does WMUWSE. Shoplifter is, yes, about stealing, but it's 1) a very jingly and lighterhearted song (and of course Jimmy is destitute and crazy) 2) From a mature, clear, level headed point of view (Jimmy's definatly not there yet) and 3) It's condeming stealing, as Rage and Love said, as a petty juivinille mistake. Jimmy thinks he's anything BUT petty and juvanille.

So they way I could see this working is it's a song from Whatsername's point of view. If we put it in before Letterbomb perhaps we could show her starting to see Jimmy for what he is; JOS, a confused little teenager trying to be a hard ass punk in the big city, thinking he's awesome because he's living off theivery.

That is all. :whistle

September 11, 2010

Ah, okay. I also see why our opinions differ. I don't think Shoplifter is about JOS going out stealing, I think it, first of all, doesn't have a specific POV, and that it's also not about someone going stealing either. I think it is about that stealing is wrong, or least not a smart thing to do. I'll explain why I think it is about that.

first off i wanna apologize if in any way i sounded pompous and just like my view is right and yours is wrong. secondly thank you for showing like what you thought it was and like went lyric by lyric. it helped with seeing it in a different view.

also with johanna you helped too and you are soooooooo right with one of the main points-just because it was written with a.i. doesn't mean it'll necessarily fit in with the story or storyline of a.i.

so now i'm ever more confused on wheather to include the song-i did like how johanna had the song being from whatsername's point of view but i think there's almost way too many uses for this song which is a good and bad thing as we have realized.

September 11, 2010

first off i wanna apologize if in any way i sounded pompous and just like my view is right and yours is wrong. secondly thank you for showing like what you thought it was and like went lyric by lyric. it helped with seeing it in a different view.

so now i'm ever more confused on wheather to include the song-i did like how johanna had the song being from whatsername's point of view but i think there's almost way too many uses for this song which is a good and bad thing as we have realized.

Same goes for me, I also apologise if I was acting like that. Not that you were, or not much anyway (oh lol now I sound like a bitch. I don't mean it like that), but well.

I think it'll indeed be good if it's from Whatsername's POV, although I'm not sure how hard and/or possible that will be to make clear it's Whatsernames POV, and not JOS's.

September 12, 2010

I only recently heard about this, because I have no internet at home so it's hard for me to stay up-to-date with things like this. But I think it's definitely a great idea. Idk if I could really be a part of it, because of the no internet at home situation, but I'd love to see how it turns out! And maybe help when I can, but reading 12 pages each time I get on could get kind of old.

Very awesome idea though. :thumbsup:

September 13, 2010

Well, to show that it's from Whatsername's point of view I think maybe Jimmy calls her from the police station because he got booked for shoplifting, and Whatsername thinks he got in trouble for something serious but then is very upset when she gets there and finds out he thinks he's awesome for getting arrested for shoplifting, and we see her calling him out and lecturing him?

September 14, 2010

Well, to show that it's from Whatsername's point of view I think maybe Jimmy calls her from the police station because he got booked for shoplifting, and Whatsername thinks he got in trouble for something serious but then is very upset when she gets there and finds out he thinks he's awesome for getting arrested for shoplifting, and we see her calling him out and lecturing him?

then they somehow get in a fight and it seagues into letterbomb and she leaves him

September 14, 2010

then they somehow get in a fight and it seagues into letterbomb and she leaves him

Yes, wonderful. :thumbsup:

September 14, 2010

Sounds pretty good!

September 14, 2010

WOOOOOOOOOO HOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we finally agreed on something!!! :shy: :lol: :cool: :woot: :bunny: :happy: :blush: :dance: :ninja: :rolleyes: :banana: :eyebrow: :thumbsup: :runaround: