GD "Graphic Novel" Collab

[JohannaRaeRamone.]

II kind of think we should elaborate with flash backs. We can give a lot more depth to the, (cmon, let's face it), somewhat sterotypical charters and we don't nescesarily have to use song lyrics. That will make a lot more work for everybody too, that is, everybody will get a good piece to do.

[st.idiot]

II kind of think we should elaborate with flash backs. We can give a lot more depth to the, (cmon, let's face it), somewhat sterotypical charters and we don't nescesarily have to use song lyrics. That will make a lot more work for everybody too, that is, everybody will get a good piece to do.

i like the idea of flashbacks. now i was thinking like have small or like little flashbacks of his life when he was a kid or something in between each song. like just a little thing to transition from one song to the next.

[JohannaRaeRamone.]

i like the idea of flashbacks. now i was thinking like have small or like little flashbacks of his life when he was a kid or something in between each song. like just a little thing to transition from one song to the next.

Yeah! ALthough there are some spots where the songs flow into each other, but that sounds good. And that's kind of why I was rattling on about his family life and childhood two or three weeks ago.

[st.idiot]

Yeah! ALthough there are some spots where the songs flow into each other, but that sounds good. And that's kind of why I was rattling on about his family life and childhood two or three weeks ago.

i bet half people are like so that's why she was all like family this and that

[JohannaRaeRamone.]

i bet half people are like so that's why she was all like family this and that

Yes, sweet vindication! Haha

[st.idiot]

Yes, sweet vindication! Haha

lol totes mcgotes (for anyone that doesn't know, totes mcgotes is from i love you, man)

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

I like the idea of flashbacks

more people should come to this thread... now there's only like what, four people.

And if there are any silent readers, speak up

[Christie's_Blvd.]

I keep saying I read but don't post - mainly because nothing I say would really be helpful. But I do like the idea of flashbacks

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

I keep saying I read but don't post - mainly because nothing I say would really be helpful. But I do like the idea of flashbacks

Nah, only saying you like an idea or not already helps.

[Anko]

hmm, I kind of like the sound of that, but I don't think it really fits... it's not like JOS becomes St. Jimmy, JOS is definitely still there. A song like Novocaine, is about Jimmy giving JOS (or the Jimmy part of his mind giving JOS the idea and making it sound great etc) drugs... St. Jimmy is something new, an addition, not a replacement.

I get that.

I was just thinking if you wanted to present it that way.

Another idea would be to have St.Jimmy there as kind of an imaginary friend thing,to represent the new side of his persona.

Like St.Jimmy would be his shadow so to speak,and JOS channels him.

You've probably seen something similar to my idea on TV somewhere

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

I get that.

I was just thinking if you wanted to present it that way.

Another idea would be to have St.Jimmy there as kind of an imaginary friend thing,to represent the new side of his persona.

Like St.Jimmy would be his shadow so to speak,and JOS channels him.

You've probably seen something similar to my idea on TV somewhere

Yeah, I like that a lot. It's clear, but still not like, setting everything in stone on what exactly St. Jimmy is.

Although I do have a mental image of JOS dragging a punk looking rag doll everywhere now

[Anko]

Yeah, I like that a lot. It's clear, but still not like, setting everything in stone on what exactly St. Jimmy is.

Yay my idea was liked!

Although I do have a mental image of JOS dragging a punk looking rag doll everywhere now

[JohannaRaeRamone.]

Nah, only saying you like an idea or not already helps.

She speaks the truth!

I get that.

I was just thinking if you wanted to present it that way.

Another idea would be to have St.Jimmy there as kind of an imaginary friend thing,to represent the new side of his persona.

Like St.Jimmy would be his shadow so to speak,and JOS channels him.

You've probably seen something similar to my idea on TV somewhere

Haha that idea sounds a little above tv quality. I like it, just gets me wondering how does he interact with other such as whatsername? As JOS or Jimmy? How does Jimmy-rag-doll-boy exert his presence?

[Anko]

St.Jimmy "possesses" JOS? St.Jimmy is more like an extension of JOS but for stories sake he himself is a conscious "person" so to speak.

Okay have you ever seen Yu-Gi-Oh? (those of you who have will get this.) If not in the anime the main character has an item,and in that item is a seperate spirit which he channels and said spirit will take over the aforementioned. However,through 90% it's hinted that the main character and the spirit are one and the same but the spirit is the main character on steroids.

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

Yeah, kind of like that. Kind of like a devil sitting on your shoulder, telling you what to do. Sometimes you do what you think is best, but sometimes the devil wins.

I wouldn't know how to make it be like that in this, though. Because it kind of has to be an actual human person/figure, we can't really make St. Jimmy an object or a tiny dude sitting on JOS's shoulder, that would just make it kind of silly. I think making St. Jimmy another character, and make Jimmy and JOS have a couple of the same traits, so you leave it in the middle for the "reader" whether Jimmy is a different person, or whether he's part of JOS.

[JohannaRaeRamone.]

Yeah, kind of like that. Kind of like a devil sitting on your shoulder, telling you what to do. Sometimes you do what you think is best, but sometimes the devil wins.

I wouldn't know how to make it be like that in this, though. Because it kind of has to be an actual human person/figure, we can't really make St. Jimmy an object or a tiny dude sitting on JOS's shoulder, that would just make it kind of silly. I think making St. Jimmy another character, and make Jimmy and JOS have a couple of the same traits, so you leave it in the middle for the "reader" whether Jimmy is a different person, or whether he's part of JOS.

ALthough I appriciate the anime-style conceptualism, I think for the way we have to present this St Jimmy's gonna have to be another character after all. The only thing this leaves me wondering is what interactions do we give to JOS and what do we give to Jimmy? Do they live seperate but paralell lives or do they take turns living the same life?

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

So you mean that St. Jimmy is going to be a completely seperate person JOS meets or whatever, instead of a something that spun out of JOS's mind (and seems like a real person)?

How would you do that storywise? Because JOS is the one who does everything, St. Jimmy is only an influence on his decisions... although I suppose that could be done with implementing small scenes where you see JOS and St. Jimmy talking, or contemplating or whatever. And how are we going to explain Letterbomb? Because part of that song is "stop being so silly, St. Jimmy "is a figment of your father's rage and your mother's love". Now I know you don't have to take that literally, you could also take that as "he (Jimmy) is what fills in the void (I suppose) from your father's rage and your mother's love", but still...

I'm not asking that because I want to persuade anyone into doing the same person thing, I'm just curious as to how it would work, to make them separate persons

[Anko]

Yeah, kind of like that. Kind of like a devil sitting on your shoulder, telling you what to do. Sometimes you do what you think is best, but sometimes the devil wins.

I wouldn't know how to make it be like that in this, though. Because it kind of has to be an actual human person/figure, we can't really make St. Jimmy an object or a tiny dude sitting on JOS's shoulder, that would just make it kind of silly. I think making St. Jimmy another character, and make Jimmy and JOS have a couple of the same traits, so you leave it in the middle for the "reader" whether Jimmy is a different person, or whether he's part of JOS.

I didn't mean for it to sound like we were gonna make him an object,it was an example as to how we can "switch" between the two while leaving St.Jimmy a separate person type figure.

I just ran out of room because I was posting from my PSP

I was basically using that example because I couldn't think of a better one

But I still think we should make him an imaginary friend type thing. Split personality but St.Jimmy is a separate being.

Why do I feel like I'm not explaining enough?

Although I appreciate the anime-style conceptualism, I think for the way we have to present this St Jimmy's gonna have to be another character after all. The only thing this leaves me wondering is what interactions do we give to JOS and what do we give to Jimmy? Do they live separate but parallel lives or do they take turns living the same life?

Again it was example,you wanted to know how we switch.My example was to try and

explain that it can be seamless,but I guess I failed

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

I didn't mean for it to sound like we were gonna make him an object,it was an example as to how we can "switch" between the two while leaving St.Jimmy a separate person type figure.

I just ran out of room because I was posting from my PSP

I was basically using that example because I couldn't think of a better one

But I still think we should make him an imaginary friend type thing. Split personality but St.Jimmy is a separate being.

Why do I feel like I'm not explaining enough?

Yeah, I (kind of) know, but I was just using object as a ... metaphor? [/can't find the right English word] for something that's not an actual person xD

I agree on the imaginary friend thing, I like that. How to make clear he's an imaginary friend, though?

[JohannaRaeRamone.]

Okay, so this is just trying to take one step in the right direction: do we show both JOS and Jimmy in the same pictures/panels together? Do they switch places according to what situations they're in? (IE, on the street copping drugs looking tough we see Jimmy, but he goes and spends down time with Whatsername and we see JOS) And, uh, I feel bad for the people doing photography that will have to deal with this. If we go the imaginary friend route they'll have to pick some different earlier songs i guess.

[st.idiot]

ljfasl;dfkjasdlkfjasd i tried reading everything but i'm too lost, does anyone wanna sum it up in a short synopsys?

[Anko]

Yeah, I (kind of) know, but I was just using object as a ... metaphor? [/can't find the right English word] for something that's not an actual person xD

I agree on the imaginary friend thing, I like that. How to make clear he's an imaginary friend, though?

Ah I see

Okay, so this is just trying to take one step in the right direction: do we show both JOS and Jimmy in the same pictures/panels together? Do they switch places according to what situations they're in? (IE, on the street copping drugs looking tough we see Jimmy, but he goes and spends down time with Whatsername and we see JOS).

That could work,and when JOS is alone St.Jimmy and him can be seen together talking.

And, uh, I feel bad for the people doing photography that will have to deal with this. If we go the imaginary friend route they'll have to pick some different earlier songs i guess.

Why do we have to do photography?

I mean yeah it's a nice touch but that could be for the end not necessarily throughout the whole thing.

That would look weird,like one minute you're looking at drawings and the next photos

But then again I'm really sure how this is going to lay out so it might work after all

So I guess I'm officially helping with story boarding and stuff like that!

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

Okay, so this is just trying to take one step in the right direction: do we show both JOS and Jimmy in the same pictures/panels together? Do they switch places according to what situations they're in? (IE, on the street copping drugs looking tough we see Jimmy, but he goes and spends down time with Whatsername and we see JOS) And, uh, I feel bad for the people doing photography that will have to deal with this. If we go the imaginary friend route they'll have to pick some different earlier songs i guess.

Switch places, I think. If we go for the different people, parallel lives thing, I have nothing to add, if we're doing same person/imaginary friend thing, make clear in some way that when we show Jimmy, it's actually JOS doing it, but Jimmy "taking over".

Hmm, for the photography thing, maybe we could do not splitting it into scenes and have everyone do one scene by themselves, but just list all the scenes and what could be done in them, what the feeling in there is etc (of course with still plenty artistic freedom, but just the general idea) and everyone can do parts of whatever they want? Photography then can be used also for setting themes, atmosphere, emotion etc, and drawings or something of the like to show actual actions. Unless people want to do something different, of course, that was just an example. That way it will probably be more coherent as well, otherwise you'll get complete change of look every scene, which makes it harder to pass it off as one fluid story. Not that it won't work with separate scenes, it's just a suggestion

ljfasl;dfkjasdlkfjasd i tried reading everything but i'm too lost, does anyone wanna sum it up in a short synopsys?

Discussing what to do with the JOS/St. Jimmy thing. That's about it

That could work,and when JOS is alone St.Jimmy and him can be seen together talking.

How do you keep replying with exactly what I agree with as well, but put it in one line instead of a big paragraph

Why do we have to do photography?

I mean yeah it's a nice touch but that could be for the end not necessarily throughout the whole thing.

That would look weird,like one minute you're looking at drawings and the next photos

Because not everyone want to/can draw, some people said they'd do photography. I myself don't even know what I'm gonna do, drawing or photography, or both. xD

[Christie's_Blvd.]

Could you draw a scene, say JOS and Whatsername for Letterbomb, and have Jimmy in the back - a proper fully fledged person - but just make it clear that whatsername's focus is entirely on JOS and that Jimmy isn't really there to her? Because if we could work it that way that could be a solution to the whole split personality thing.

If we go for the two people thing then what about having JOS doing the tender things all by himself and before he does anything mean, spiteful or stupid have him having a conversation with Jimmy?

Probably not helpful but just wanted to throw it out there

[JohannaRaeRamone.]

Why do we have to do photography?

Some people lack artistic ability but excell in photography. It's an effort to make this more of a community project. You're going to be shifting style to style anyway.