GD "Graphic Novel" Collab

[JohannaRaeRamone.]

Oh no, I didn't mean it like avoiding all clichés, but more like, not adding more where it's not really necessary.

But what you said, sounds really cool. Chasing the clichés, trying to be like them and seeing that as their goal and purpose, do you mean it like that? and then ... well basically what you said. I really like that!

I really like the Jesus nailed to the couch thing. It could be a very powerful image. Not sure how to do that though and make clear what it represents...but even if it isn't to show the relationship with his mom, I love that image. It completely fits with the whole thing of him calling himself Jesus of Suburbia and all... although on the other side, I never really got the impression the JOS thinks he's the Jesus of surburbia (not using a capital on purpose), that he has this inflated ego... it's more that his mom thinks that, or something? But then that also fits, the nailed to the couch (instead of cross), that he doesn't really do anything... I still have to make my mind up about this, but I really like that thing

Hmm. This is a lot to think about. On the cliche front, what you said is basically what I'm thinking. Like, take the cliches GD for some reason left us and turn them into something positive! (Exploiting cliches!)

I think he's Jesus of Suburbia in a few possible ways. For one I think it's dark sarcasim, like he hates himself and hates where he lives so why would he be the king and saviour of it? I think it's an consciously ironic pose on his part. Because I don't think the other punk kids are looking up to him, (or any of their peers.) But the thing with his mom is pretty possible too. He's also the JOS because the place is taking it's toll on him, like he's being sacrificed to the boredom and conlfict by means of the sex drugs and burning out it offers. Third opinions, anybody?

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

Hmm. This is a lot to think about. On the cliche front, what you said is basically what I'm thinking. Like, take the cliches GD for some reason left us and turn them into something positive! (Exploiting cliches!)

I think he's Jesus of Suburbia in a few possible ways. For one I think it's dark sarcasim, like he hates himself and hates where he lives so why would he be the king and saviour of it? I think it's an consciously ironic pose on his part. Because I don't think the other punk kids are looking up to him, (or any of their peers.) But the thing with his mom is pretty possible too. He's also the JOS because the place is taking it's toll on him, like he's being sacrificed to the boredom and conlfict by means of the sex drugs and burning out it offers. Third opinions, anybody?

Yeah, exactly.

But isn't Jesus, and especially if we're gonne use that nailed to the couch line, some sort of symbol for self-sacrifice (for non-selfish reasons, in the original Jesus story at least). It just doesn't match up... haha, this thread is giving me all sorts of new insights.

I'm just gonna make this little thing to make it clear to myself as well..

American Idiot: The JOS's thing on why he hates the American Idiots, not necessarily to do with his hometown (will call it Suburbia)

JOS, JOS: Meeting the JOS, his situation, style of living etc, and that 'there's nothing wrong with me, this is how I'm supposed to be'

JOS, City of the Damned: Suburbia sucks, it's one big lie

JOS, I Don't Care: Fully realizes how shitty Suburbia is and how it's just all nothing, shit.

JOS, Dearly Beloved: Talking to his beloved, but also some sort of self reflection in it, it's some sort of calmness, and like... well, just the message and feel of that part

JOS, Tales From Another Broken Home: JOS is getting out of there, because it's suffocating and it's not leading up to anything in Suburbia.

So... maybe he's the Jesus of Suburbia because he lives in his world of punks, and he's some sort of leader-figure something, then he realizes it's nothing. And he leaves.

It just doesn't match up!

or maybe it's indeed like, ironic... how he's actually completely not the Jesus of Suburbia, because he's not doing anything, and then he leaves. Kind of like an anti-Jesus.

sorry for the complete mess this post is

and yeah.. third opinion?

[JohannaRaeRamone.]

Okay, so here's the layout I kind of am imagining so far:

American Idiot: A little backround on his dad dealio and we see JOS going from an innocent little boy and then being depressed and pissed off and we show him changing his life into the burnt out punk figure he is currently. Kind of typical stuff I guess, like him shaving his head into a mohawk and maybe scarifying himself or something, (early reference to the 7-11 blood scene, although I don't know if we want to lift that), just generally ruining his prescence into a punk mess, and then presenting himself to his mom. Maybe "Well maybe I'm the faggot America/I'm not a part of a redneck agenda" is him leaving school. (Although I think he drops out more because he's lazy than because of politcal fury) Basically we see him becoming who he is now.

JOS, JOS: Meeting the JOS, his situation, style of living etc, and that 'there's nothing wrong with me, this is how I'm supposed to be'

JOS, City of the Damned: Suburbia sucks, it's one big lie

JOS, I Don't Care: Fully realizes how shitty Suburbia is and how it's just all nothing, shit.

JOS, Dearly Beloved: Talking to his beloved, but also some sort of self reflection in it, it's some sort of calmness, and like... well, just the message and feel of that part

JOS, Tales From Another Broken Home: JOS is getting out of there, because it's suffocating and it's not leading up to anything in Suburbia.

Holiday: Leaving suburbia and arriving in the city. Not sure what happens along the way there?

BLVD of Broken Dreams: Gah, I really don't like this song. I kind of want to avoid a plain old obvious scene of him wandering the scary city streets alone. I'm thinking maybe he goes and finds a motel and thinks, "okay, I have enough money to stay here for a little bit", and then he realizes he's never been cut off from his drug connection and has developed an addiction. (Which he never really realized, he just thought it was a social party thing) What drug? Cocaine or amphetamines I'm thinking? Anyway, so he's paranoid and lonley and scared and needs a fix, so he goes out into the city streets to try and score. Lonley scared street walking comences, and then he finds one of St Jimmy's dealers, and gets waaay overcharged because the dealer can tell he's desperate and naiive.

Are We the Waiting: He's alone in the motel room realizing he's a broke homeless drug adict. Key point: "The Jesus of Suburbia is a lie" Maybe he dreams about his mom or his childhood

St. Jimmy: He has to leave the motel room so he's panhandling. Jimmy spies him and instantly realizes he has a case on his hands. And this brings us to the point where we really need to analiyze our second major character, St JImmy.

What do you think about any of that?

[cherrybomb!]

I really like the story so far and i really like what you've done with BOBD it deffinantly avoids the obvious and i recon there would be loads of creative things that people can do for it so yeah i think it's looking great so far.

[st.idiot]

Okay, so here's the layout I kind of am imagining so far:

American Idiot: A little backround on his dad dealio and we see JOS going from an innocent little boy and then being depressed and pissed off and we show him changing his life into the burnt out punk figure he is currently. Kind of typical stuff I guess, like him shaving his head into a mohawk and maybe scarifying himself or something, (early reference to the 7-11 blood scene, although I don't know if we want to lift that), just generally ruining his prescence into a punk mess, and then presenting himself to his mom. Maybe "Well maybe I'm the faggot America/I'm not a part of a redneck agenda" is him leaving school. (Although I think he drops out more because he's lazy than because of politcal fury) Basically we see him becoming who he is now.

JOS, JOS: Meeting the JOS, his situation, style of living etc, and that 'there's nothing wrong with me, this is how I'm supposed to be'

JOS, City of the Damned: Suburbia sucks, it's one big lie

JOS, I Don't Care: Fully realizes how shitty Suburbia is and how it's just all nothing, shit.

JOS, Dearly Beloved: Talking to his beloved, but also some sort of self reflection in it, it's some sort of calmness, and like... well, just the message and feel of that part

JOS, Tales From Another Broken Home: JOS is getting out of there, because it's suffocating and it's not leading up to anything in Suburbia.

Holiday: Leaving suburbia and arriving in the city. Not sure what happens along the way there?

BLVD of Broken Dreams: Gah, I really don't like this song. I kind of want to avoid a plain old obvious scene of him wandering the scary city streets alone. I'm thinking maybe he goes and finds a motel and thinks, "okay, I have enough money to stay here for a little bit", and then he realizes he's never been cut off from his drug connection and has developed an addiction. (Which he never really realized, he just thought it was a social party thing) What drug? Cocaine or amphetamines I'm thinking? Anyway, so he's paranoid and lonley and scared and needs a fix, so he goes out into the city streets to try and score. Lonley scared street walking comences, and then he finds one of St Jimmy's dealers, and gets waaay overcharged because the dealer can tell he's desperate and naiive.

Are We the Waiting: He's alone in the motel room realizing he's a broke homeless drug adict. Key point: "The Jesus of Suburbia is a lie" Maybe he dreams about his mom or his childhood

St. Jimmy: He has to leave the motel room so he's panhandling. Jimmy spies him and instantly realizes he has a case on his hands. And this brings us to the point where we really need to analiyze our second major character, St JImmy.

What do you think about any of that?

i like everything but i would like to add a little something more to like are we the waiting and st. jimmy: are we the waiting i think it should be jesus just by himself in his hotel room just thinking and pondering his new life and all these drugs, his 'thug life'. i think this is the song where he thinks he's found himself

st. jimmy:to me in my point of view and perspective st. jimmy is another totally different whole new part of jesus. after are we the waiting where i said he think's he's found himself and takes on this new type of persona

give me novocaine: i think this should be like totally tripping and wonderfull and euhporic and like totally mesmorizing and meets this girl. but that's just what i see anyway

she's a rebel/extraordinary girl: i think these are kind of the same type of song but in the different points of view of the character. st. jimmy (j.o.s.'s new persona) thinks this girl is a rebel. however after he meets her and lays down in his hotel room by himself when he is who he actually is (jesus) thinks she's this amazing wonderful glorious girl who's just sooooooo totally awesome. (even though this is a novel we could probablly without actually say or show anything kinda let it be known that they are making love)

letterbomb is when the girl finds out that j.o.s. is just a big lie and all like something completely different than she thought he was-just another guy. she goes on about what her beliefs are to him and in a special kinda way spills a little bit of herself to him and leaving him.

wake me up when september ends: i honestly think we shouldn't mess with this song just because it's billie's first song about his father but it's too important and vital of a.i. to not be included soooooooooo yea

[Christie's_Blvd.]

i like everything but i would like to add a little something more to like are we the waiting and st. jimmy: are we the waiting i think it should be jesus just by himself in his hotel room just thinking and pondering his new life and all these drugs, his 'thug life'. i think this is the song where he thinks he's found himself

st. jimmy:to me in my point of view and perspective st. jimmy is another totally different whole new part of jesus. after are we the waiting where i said he think's he's found himself and takes on this new type of persona

give me novocaine: i think this should be like totally tripping and wonderfull and euhporic and like totally mesmorizing and meets this girl. but that's just what i see anyway

she's a rebel/extraordinary girl: i think these are kind of the same type of song but in the different points of view of the character. st. jimmy (j.o.s.'s new persona) thinks this girl is a rebel. however after he meets her and lays down in his hotel room by himself when he is who he actually is (jesus) thinks she's this amazing wonderful glorious girl who's just sooooooo totally awesome. (even though this is a novel we could probablly without actually say or show anything kinda let it be known that they are making love)

letterbomb is when the girl finds out that j.o.s. is just a big lie and all like something completely different than she thought he was-just another guy. she goes on about what her beliefs are to him and in a special kinda way spills a little bit of herself to him and leaving him.

wake me up when september ends: i honestly think we shouldn't mess with this song just because it's billie's first song about his father but it's too important and vital of a.i. to not be included soooooooooo yea

This sounds like a very good version of events and I have two very strong images in my head: JOS/I Don't Care: JOS standing on the edge of a roof with his arms out and the words 'I Don't Care' in various sizes filling the sky around him. And Letterbomb: JOS crouched and leant against his bed staring at the door, in the corner:

She said I can't take this place I'm leaving it behind,

She said I can't take this toen I'm leaving you tonight.

implying that she's left because of his fucked up life. What do you think? I shall put the actual drawings up in my art thread soon.

If wmuwse is used then I think it dhould just be very simple pictures of him lying around or being reflective someplace and realising that Whatsername was right and his life here is just as shit as his life at home and he has to do something if he wants it to ever get better. Not sure how to convey that feeling into pictures but I think that would be a great place for photography. Just random pictures of a person sitting or laying, maybe out of focus or in the distance (I'm not a photographer, so...yeah) Sorry I've not been posting a lot - and that I'm also very visual right now so probably not much help in the planning department anyway

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

Okay, so here's the layout I kind of am imagining so far:

American Idiot: A little backround on his dad dealio and we see JOS going from an innocent little boy and then being depressed and pissed off and we show him changing his life into the burnt out punk figure he is currently. Kind of typical stuff I guess, like him shaving his head into a mohawk and maybe scarifying himself or something, (early reference to the 7-11 blood scene, although I don't know if we want to lift that), just generally ruining his prescence into a punk mess, and then presenting himself to his mom. Maybe "Well maybe I'm the faggot America/I'm not a part of a redneck agenda" is him leaving school. (Although I think he drops out more because he's lazy than because of politcal fury) Basically we see him becoming who he is now.

JOS, JOS: Meeting the JOS, his situation, style of living etc, and that 'there's nothing wrong with me, this is how I'm supposed to be'

JOS, City of the Damned: Suburbia sucks, it's one big lie

JOS, I Don't Care: Fully realizes how shitty Suburbia is and how it's just all nothing, shit.

JOS, Dearly Beloved: Talking to his beloved, but also some sort of self reflection in it, it's some sort of calmness, and like... well, just the message and feel of that part

JOS, Tales From Another Broken Home: JOS is getting out of there, because it's suffocating and it's not leading up to anything in Suburbia.

Holiday: Leaving suburbia and arriving in the city. Not sure what happens along the way there?

BLVD of Broken Dreams: Gah, I really don't like this song. I kind of want to avoid a plain old obvious scene of him wandering the scary city streets alone. I'm thinking maybe he goes and finds a motel and thinks, "okay, I have enough money to stay here for a little bit", and then he realizes he's never been cut off from his drug connection and has developed an addiction. (Which he never really realized, he just thought it was a social party thing) What drug? Cocaine or amphetamines I'm thinking? Anyway, so he's paranoid and lonley and scared and needs a fix, so he goes out into the city streets to try and score. Lonley scared street walking comences, and then he finds one of St Jimmy's dealers, and gets waaay overcharged because the dealer can tell he's desperate and naiive.

Are We the Waiting: He's alone in the motel room realizing he's a broke homeless drug adict. Key point: "The Jesus of Suburbia is a lie" Maybe he dreams about his mom or his childhood

St. Jimmy: He has to leave the motel room so he's panhandling. Jimmy spies him and instantly realizes he has a case on his hands. And this brings us to the point where we really need to analiyze our second major character, St JImmy.

What do you think about any of that?

Liking this!

I think maybe it would also be cool to not make him drop out of school, but make him like, 19-ish or something. He doesn't have anything to do whatsoever, not even being a punk at school or something.

Also, I don't think the drug thing should be brought in so early... Novacaine is the song where drugs (novocaine) are introduced to him.

Someone once had this incredible analyse of Are We The Waiting, I'm trying to recall what that was, because it would just be perfect for this...

As for St. Jimmy, I'm on the St Jimmy is a part, an alter character if you like, of the JOS, not an actual seperate person.

Is it okay if I'm just going to roughly make my version of the AI story? doesn't have to be used, but just to have it out there

American Idiot & JOS: what you said

Holiday: indeed, leaving Suburbia... maybe something à la the Holiday video, that he's leaving, still in the rush of JoS (the song), partying along the way, and his car crashes down in the village, where he goes into the motel from

Boulevard of Broken Dreams: sitting in his shitty motel room, being lonely, feeling lonely, for the first time some new feelings show up, "sometimes I wish someone out there will find me".

leads into Are We The Waiting: He's questioning his life, everything. He doesn't know what he's waiting for, what everything is. He doesn't know. "and screaming", it's not just a little thought in the back of his mind, it's really something that's bothering him, perhaps even absorbing him. His old life, the Jesus of Suburbia, is a lie. Because he's so confused and lost and he doesn't know, he a new part of him jumps out:

St. Jimmy: Introducing St. Jimmy and his thang.

Novacaine: St Jimmy lures him (so basically, he lures himself) into taking this new drug. He's convincing himself it's good, "Jimmy says it's better than here", "everything will be alright". Basically, drugs are the answer, or more, "tell me that I won't feel a thing", an escape from his feeling.

She's a Rebel and Extraordinary Girl: JOS/Jimmy meets Whatsername, she's awesome etc etc. These songs mainly just describe how Whatsername is special and such.

Letterbomb: Whatsername is sick of his shit, and of the city. It's all big words, but nothing happens, and the JOS/Jimmy (I think the emphasis is on Jimmy there) isn't as bad-ass as he assumes he is, and as she thought he was. "The St. Jimmy is a figment of your father's rage and your mother's love", I think that is the point where St. Jimmy is starting to get killed off (will be continued in Homecoming), because JOS now sees that indeed, the St. Jimmy is that.

Wake Me Up When September Ends: not sure how to put that one in the story.. I don't think it should be a big item, just a general JOS being sad or something... The actual lyrics also don't have much, if anything, to do with the JOS/Jimmy/Whatsername story.

Homecoming, Death of St. Jimmy: The first verse... amazing. I think that represents how he's killed off, or is about to, St. Jimmy, but how he did teach him some things about life. St. Jimmy was hope ("is the spark in the night"), St. Jimmy made him realize things, and in the end, made him realize that they're not the same, and that the St. Jimmy part of the JOS shouldn't be anymore. He grew out of that.

After that, I suppose it's just killing off St. Jimmy.

Homecoming, East 12th Street: JOS has settled down, but he doesn't really want that. He wants to get out of there, but in the big bad business world, nobody cares.

Homecoming, Nobody Likes You and Rock'n'Roll Girlfriend: I'm going to string these two together, because that seems to make sense. JOS is alone, everyone left him, and some friend of his (Tunny) has this amazingly cool life (RocknRoll Girlfriend).. I think JOS might have been kind of, pestering said friend or something with his being alone and 'where'd you go' and expecting him to come, in response Tunny sends the RocknRoll Girlfriend letter, ending with 'get off of my case'... kind of like a big 'you're a loser, get away from me'.

Homecoming, We're Coming Home Again: JOS goes back to Suburbia/Jingletown, sees his old punk crew, but they've left him, don't want anything to do with him anymore, it's all confusing... basically he's back, the shithole he left because he hated it so much, is home.

Whatsername: Thinking back on Whatsername, but also on generally all he's done since leaving Suburbia... Forgetting you, but not the time.

Now to find a way to put Too Much Too Soon in there, if that's still going to happen. Frankly, if it doesn't fit, it's better off not in the novel.

Also, it's important I think to think of how to visualize everything... 'cause we can make a spiffy story and all, but there's also gotta be an image to it. Now the people who said they were in ought to pop in and say they have awesome ideas for things.

While writing this mess, I've realized so many new amazing things about this album.... yay.

[JohannaRaeRamone.]

Well I don't think he's a serious druggie in suburbia, I think he's hooked on lighter gateway type drugs and then later he gets into something heavier like meth or heroin. You know like the difference between being a shallow dsyfunctional punk type to a serious scary problem.

Hmm see when I first started listeing to AI, I thought St Jimmy and JOS were the same person, but I really can't believe that anymore. It's such a radical jump and there's really no natural explanation for it except for "Oh I'm in the big city now", and then "St Jimmy died today/he blew his brains out into the bay". If that were all metaphorically speaking that would be three radical changes of character. I can see it both ways, but personally think St Jimmy functions for cohesivly as an outside influence. I think he and JOS are extreamly intertwined, and St Jimmys influence effects JOS very deeply. No matter what Billie meant I now imagine Jimmy as a secondary person.

Yeah, I think She's A Rebel is JOS seeing Whatsername and thinking HOLY CRAP and being blown away. He's only met desperate poseur girls at home and he's stricken by this confident, intellegent, and independant girl. Then in Extrordinary Girl they're actually getting to know each other and share feelings and yes probably have sexual intercourse. There's something very intimate about that song.

Oh yes very good point. We will DEFENATLY be exculding WMUWSE. Thank you for bringing that up.

[st.idiot]

Hmm see when I first started listeing to AI, I thought St Jimmy and JOS were the same person, but I really can't believe that anymore. It's such a radical jump and there's really no explanation for it, and then "St Jimmy died today/he blew his brains out into the bay". If that were all metaphorically speaking that would be three radical changes of character. I personally think St Jimmy is an outside influence. : /

Yeah, I think She's A Rebel is JOS seeing Whatsername and thinking HOLY CRAP and being blown away. He's only met desperate poseur girls at home and he's stricken by this confident, intellegent, and independant girl. Then in Extrordinary Girl they're actually getting to know each other and share feelings and yes probably have sexual intercourse. There's something very intimate about that song.

Oh yes very good point. We will DEFENATLY be exculding WMUWSE. Thank you for bringing that up.

see i used to think the opposite. lol i used to think they were 2 different people. i mean who the hell knows except green day really. i mean isn't that the whole point of a rock opera or american idiot. there just as many different moints of view on this story as there are people on this earth. so im open to anything but i was just saying that was what i saw and came to my mind when il istened to those songs

[JohannaRaeRamone.]

see i used to think the opposite. lol i used to think they were 2 different people. i mean who the hell knows except green day really. i mean isn't that the whole point of a rock opera or american idiot. there just as many different moints of view on this story as there are people on this earth. so im open to anything but i was just saying that was what i saw and came to my mind when il istened to those songs

Haha maybe JOS and St Jimmy are THREE different people! OOH. Scary thought. I am enjoying disecting and really analyizing the album like this though.

[st.idiot]

Haha maybe JOS and St Jimmy are THREE different people! OOH. Scary thought. I am enjoying disecting and really analyizing the album like this though.

i actually just had a brain fart when you said theyre three people. like i just got mind fucked.

[JohannaRaeRamone.]

i actually just had a brain fart when you said theyre three people. like i just got mind fucked.

Auw. Happens to me on an hourly basis. But I would believe it if Billie Joe was like, hey, you people have had it all wrong for the past few years. American Idiot is about the Japanese school system and JOS and St Jimmy are transgender women that do macrame crafts, not drugs! It's alll in that man's head.

[st.idiot]

hahahahaha that would be awesome i wouldn't doubt if one day he gave the "real" story of a.i.

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

Mm, I'm still in the same person boat. Not like that it's a change of character, but more like that St. Jimmy is a new and/or different side of JOS, perhaps set off by the whole leaving Suburbia thing, and in the end JOS learns from it and kind of grows out of the St. Jimmy thing. Kind of like, really shitty analogy here, teenagers might have this rebel side, but are at the same time still more sweet/calm or something.

[st.idiot]

Mm, I'm still in the same person boat. Not like that it's a change of character, but more like that St. Jimmy is a new and/or different side of JOS, perhaps set off by the whole leaving Suburbia thing, and in the end JOS learns from it and kind of grows out of the St. Jimmy thing. Kind of like, really shitty analogy here, teenagers might have this rebel side, but are at the same time still more sweet/calm or something.

actually i think that's a perfect analogy because it goes with what i had put down for she's a rebel and extraordinary girl who both of those songs are about the same girl but in a different point of view from j.o.s and st. jimmy

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

actually i think that's a perfect analogy because it goes with what i had put down for she's a rebel and extraordinary girl who both of those songs are about the same girl but in a different point of view from j.o.s and st. jimmy

I suppose it does, but it's not really what I meant, though I think SAR and Extr. Girl are more the different stages of getting to know her, first JOS is all impressed by the cool rebel girl, and later he gets to know her more and realizes she's special, there's more to her than just the rebel punk girl. I think for those songs St. Jimmy and JOS kind of mix up, even, not a specific either of the sides.

Another thing to 'support' my St. Jimmy is part of the JOS theory, the lyrics to Letterbomb. "The St. Jimmy is a figment of your father's rage and your mother's love". Said rage and love are, as everyone knows, mentioned earlier in "I'm the son of rage and love / the Jesus of Suburbia".

And the whole deal with that whenever things are addressed to or from JOS/Jimmy, it's only the letter J.

Of course it's a matter of opinion, though, and I definitely don't want to butt in too much and be obnoxious or be all "hurrdurr use my idea :mad:", since it's originally Johanna's idea (is that your/her name? haha) and all.

[st.idiot]

I suppose it does, but it's not really what I meant, though I think SAR and Extr. Girl are more the different stages of getting to know her, first JOS is all impressed by the cool rebel girl, and later he gets to know her more and realizes she's special, there's more to her than just the rebel punk girl. I think for those songs St. Jimmy and JOS kind of mix up, even, not a specific either of the sides.

Another thing to 'support' my St. Jimmy is part of the JOS theory, the lyrics to Letterbomb. "The St. Jimmy is a figment of your father's rage and your mother's love". Said rage and love are, as everyone knows, mentioned earlier in "I'm the son of rage and love / the Jesus of Suburbia".

And the whole deal with that whenever things are addressed to or from JOS/Jimmy, it's only the letter J.

Of course it's a matter of opinion, though, and I definitely don't want to butt in too much and be obnoxious or be all "hurrdurr use my idea :mad:", since it's originally Johanna's idea (is that your/her name? haha) and all.

no i think j.o.s. and st. jimmy are the same person too lol i just meant different points of view from the different side of j.o.s.

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

no i think j.o.s. and st. jimmy are the same person too lol i just meant different points of view from the different side of j.o.s.

Yeah, I know, I just wanted to kind of make clear that I don't think about SAR/Extr. Girl like that and that my analogy was more general, not about those specific songs

[st.idiot]

Yeah, I know, I just wanted to kind of make clear that I don't think about SAR/Extr. Girl like that and that my analogy was more general, not about those specific songs

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[Anko]

I'm sorry but whenever I hear the words "graphic novel" I think more manga than the American styled comic books lol.

I'm interested as to what this is going to look like

I can't help with the drawing because,

1. I don't really know what style you are looking for
   
2. I can't really draw anything more than mediocre (at best) anime style faces.
   

I'm also not sure what you mean by story boarding,is that like what you see behind the scenes of a cartoon movie?

But if you'd like I can help with anything else besides drawing lol.

[JohannaRaeRamone.]

I'm sorry but whenever I hear the words "graphic novel" I think more manga than the American styled comic books lol.

I'm interested as to what this is going to look like

I can't help with the drawing because,

1. I don't really know what style you are looking for
   
2. I can't really draw anything more than mediocre (at best) anime style faces.
   

I'm also not sure what you mean by story boarding,is that like what you see behind the scenes of a cartoon movie?

But if you'd like I can help with anything else besides drawing lol.

Yeah, well I think the storyboarding is going to be more spoken, (excuse me typed haha), but it is basically a rough idea of what each scene will involve. Those are more up to the person that claims each scene/section. Right now we're kind of having a community discussion on the plot. That we can use some more opinions on.

Grr I hate when the notifications bar tells me everything except for what matters. (So and so posted five new statuses? REALLY? Wow how cool.)

Anyway it looks like the general consensus is that we should go with the Jos/St JImmy duel elements of one person thing. So how do we represent that and make a clear distinction between his more vulrunable JOS phase into his hard-ass so cool St Jimmy phase? ANd just curious how does the musical handle this? (Although I want this to have nothing to do with the musical whatsoever)

I think I already exlained this but on the She's A Rebel/Extrodinary Girl thing, my views are: in SAR he's blown away by this tough confident girl who's a punk but has moral and intelectual ground to stand by it with. So he's like whoah the girls at home are all stupid posuers I really need to get to know this girl, and secretly he wants to learn from her because he feels she's some authentic answer to dealing with problems and the true meaning of being an authentic "punk". (Which is also a possible "answer to his problems")

Then in EG she's also interested in him and see's his innocent and vulnruble side, which most guys in the city dont have, but think he's also some really tough moral guy that stands for something. (Which she finds out to be false in Letterbomb of course) But in EG they're sharing feelings and maybe childhoods and just inspiring each other. And sex haha.

Hello my name is Johanna how are you?

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

ANd just curious how does the musical handle this? (Although I want this to have nothing to do with the musical whatsoever)

I haven't actually seen the musical (), but in the musical they have to separate people playing JOS(/Johnny) and St. Jimmy, however, from what I've heard, it's played in a way that it's still not clear whether St. Jimmy is just part of Johnny, or that he is a real person.

Of course that is really hard, if not impossible to do something like it for this.

Maybe have two different characters 'playing' them, but letting them have one, or a couple things in common. Just subtle things, not in-your-face things. Although I guess that's also hard with a lot of different people each doing their impression or version of him/them, and all.

[JohannaRaeRamone.]

I haven't actually seen the musical (), but in the musical they have to separate people playing JOS(/Johnny) and St. Jimmy, however, from what I've heard, it's played in a way that it's still not clear whether St. Jimmy is just part of Johnny, or that he is a real person.

Of course that is really hard, if not impossible to do something like it for this.

Maybe have two different characters 'playing' them, but letting them have one, or a couple things in common. Just subtle things, not in-your-face things. Although I guess that's also hard with a lot of different people each doing their impression or version of him/them, and all.

Sigh. Nor have I.

Anyway, this makes me think we should handle it like Billie Joe dealt it to us; vauge and slightly confusing!!! Unless we come to some brilliant consesuss.

We just won't give him any extra depth/back story. I want to make sure JOS and Whatsername have extra elaboration than they do in AI, (Because otherwise it's just AI with pictures ), and I don't know, do we want to incoperate anybody else as being significant? I don't get the vibe that anybody wants to elaborate on the story as much as I do...

[Anko]

Anyway it looks like the general consensus is that we should go with the Jos/St JImmy duel elements of one person thing. So how do we represent that and make a clear distinction between his more vulrunable JOS phase into his hard-ass so cool St Jimmy phase? And just curious how does the musical handle this? (Although I want this to have nothing to do with the musical whatsoever)

Well this may sound kinda silly but I think there may be a way.

We could have it be a symbolic suicide type thing,where he changes himself and then like burns everything

he believes represents his old self. But in an oblique way? I guess that's the best way for me to say it lol.(This sounds awesome now but I bet this will be seen as stupid. I'll probably hate this idea later )

Yeah, well I think the storyboarding is going to be more spoken, (excuse me typed haha), but it is basically a rough idea of what each scene will involve. Those are more up to the person that claims each scene/section. Right now we're kind of having a community discussion on the plot. That we can use some more opinions on.

I can help with that

We just won't give him any extra depth/back story. I want to make sure JOS and Whatsername have extra elaboration than they do in AI, (Because otherwise it's just AI with pictures ), and I don't know, do we want to incoperate anybody else as being significant? I don't get the vibe that anybody wants to elaborate on the story as much as I do...

I want to

Hello my name is Johanna how are you?

I'm Raven and I'm great

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

Sigh. Nor have I.

Anyway, this makes me think we should handle it like Billie Joe dealt it to us; vauge and slightly confusing!!! Unless we come to some brilliant consesuss.

We just won't give him any extra depth/back story. I want to make sure JOS and Whatsername have extra elaboration than they do in AI, (Because otherwise it's just AI with pictures ), and I don't know, do we want to incoperate anybody else as being significant? I don't get the vibe that anybody wants to elaborate on the story as much as I do...

Vague and slightly confusing, sounds good to me

Nah, I'd sure like to elaborate on the story... I just wouldn't know how. I wouldn't mind putting another character in there, but I don't think they would really add significance... well, unless you do it the way the musical did it (adding more main characters and having the songs be about either of the characters, or sometimes combined), but you already said you didn't want to go with the musical, and it would also be kind of a rip-off to go and do that. And probably really hard to make that clear in this.

Well this may sound kinda silly but I think there may be a way.

We could have it be a symbolic suicide type thing,where he changes himself and then like burns everything

he believes represents his old self. But in an oblique way? I guess that's the best way for me to say it lol.(This sounds awesome now but I bet this will be seen as stupid. I'll probably hate this idea later )

hmm, I kind of like the sound of that, but I don't think it really fits... it's not like JOS becomes St. Jimmy, JOS is definitely still there. A song like Novacaine, is about Jimmy giving JOS (or the Jimmy part of his mind giving JOS the idea and making it sound great etc) drugs... St. Jimmy is something new, an addition, not a replacement.