PurpleIron1039 Posted August 20, 2016 Posted August 20, 2016 17 minutes ago, Billie Hoe said: Also don't all these classic-rock fans hate on Green Day anyway because it's "soft bubblegum pop punk" and not "real music" or something? I've always found it strange that Guns N' Roses (and Nirvana) is considered classic rock but Green Day isn't. GD only formed a year or two after GnR, and Appetite For Destruction didn't come out until 1987, three years before 39/Smooth.
okotavio Posted August 20, 2016 Posted August 20, 2016 7 minutes ago, PurpleIron1039 said: I've always found it strange that Guns N' Roses (and Nirvana) is considered classic rock but Green Day isn't. GD only formed a year or two after GnR, and Appetite For Destruction didn't come out until 1987, three years before 39/Smooth. GnR was a hit from album #1 in 1987 and Nirvana from album #2 in 1990. Green Day only from album #3 in 1994. I think 1994 marked (mostly because of Dookie) the "end" of the classic and the beggining of the pop era in rock music.
PurpleIron1039 Posted August 20, 2016 Posted August 20, 2016 4 minutes ago, Otávio Vidal said: GnR was a hit from album #1 in 1987 and Nirvana from album #2 in 1990. Green Day only from album #3 in 1994. I think 1994 marked (mostly because of Dookie) the "end" of the classic and the beggining of the pop era in rock music. I mean, still, GD has been around for about as long as GnR has, and the latter was a flame that burned brightly but for a short time, as was Nirvana. GD has been able to keep it together for about three decades now. That's got to count for something, hasn't it? My point was just that I don't think that GnR and Nirvana should be categorized as classic rock if GD isn't (I personally don't count anything as classic rock if it was released after 1986, but that's just me).
Billie Hoe Posted August 20, 2016 Posted August 20, 2016 1 minute ago, PurpleIron1039 said: I mean, still, GD has been around for about as long as GnR has, and the latter was a flame that burned brightly but for a short time, as was Nirvana. maybe that's the secret.
Chanderson Posted August 20, 2016 Posted August 20, 2016 34 minutes ago, PurpleIron1039 said: I mean, still, GD has been around for about as long as GnR has, and the latter was a flame that burned brightly but for a short time, as was Nirvana. GD has been able to keep it together for about three decades now. That's got to count for something, hasn't it? My point was just that I don't think that GnR and Nirvana should be categorized as classic rock if GD isn't (I personally don't count anything as classic rock if it was released after 1986, but that's just me). I think it's good they're not classified as classic rock just yet. Means they're not irrelevant quite yet...although many seem to think they're on their way.
gerardsangel4977 Posted August 21, 2016 Posted August 21, 2016 8 hours ago, PurpleIron1039 said: I've always found it strange that Guns N' Roses (and Nirvana) is considered classic rock but Green Day isn't. GD only formed a year or two after GnR, and Appetite For Destruction didn't come out until 1987, three years before 39/Smooth. 7 hours ago, PurpleIron1039 said: I mean, still, GD has been around for about as long as GnR has, and the latter was a flame that burned brightly but for a short time, as was Nirvana. GD has been able to keep it together for about three decades now. That's got to count for something, hasn't it? My point was just that I don't think that GnR and Nirvana should be categorized as classic rock if GD isn't (I personally don't count anything as classic rock if it was released after 1986, but that's just me). I think you hit the nail right on the head with your second post. The main (and probably only, at this point, given their HOF induction) reason that Green Day isn't considered "classic rock" is because they are still active in the mainstream *and* the style of music they play is also still alive and well within the rock and alternative formats. Heavy metal, conversely, died with Nirvana in the 90s (at least GNR's brand of it), and grunge, itself, died shortly thereafter with the passing of Cobain and other grunge icons, combined with the simultaneous rise of "pop punk" in its place. If a different flavor of rock music comes along to usurp that genre and/or if Green Day, themselves, bow out of the spotlight for good, then they will be considered "classic rock". But, for now, they are simply forebears of contemporary rock music. (That being said, a lot of the stations that do play Nirvana and other classic artists will also play older Green Day cuts from Dookie and Insomniac, even if the band escapes the classic rock moniker)
PurpleIron1039 Posted August 21, 2016 Posted August 21, 2016 8 minutes ago, gerardsangel4977 said: I think you hit the nail right on the head with your second post. The main (and probably only, at this point, given their HOF induction) reason that Green Day isn't considered "classic rock" is because they are still active in the mainstream *and* the style of music they play is also still alive and well within the rock and alternative formats. Heavy metal, conversely, died with Nirvana in the 90s (at least GNR's brand of it), and grunge, itself, died shortly thereafter with the passing of Cobain and other grunge icons, combined with the simultaneous rise of "pop punk" in its place. If a different flavor of rock music comes along to usurp that genre and/or if Green Day, themselves, bow out of the spotlight for good, then they will be considered "classic rock". But, for now, they are simply forebears of contemporary rock music. (That being said, a lot of the stations that do play Nirvana and other classic artists will also play older Green Day cuts from Dookie and Insomniac, even if the band escapes the classic rock moniker) I absolutely agree with this, except for the bit about heavy metal (I actually consider GnR hard rock rather than heavy metal)--it's alive and well, but modern metal has definitely shifted toward the extreme end of the spectrum, so that there are fewer and fewer new traditional heavy metal bands these days, but a whole slew of new black and death metal acts. Pretty much the only traditional heavy metal bands left are Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath (whose members are retiring), King Diamond, and Accept, along with a few others. But yes, the bit about the passing of the baton, so to speak, is very accurate, I believe. Classic rock has to seem like something that's dated, and traditional hard rock (there are still plenty of hard rock acts in the rock mainstream, but they've always sounded very different from the "classic" acts like Led Zep, Rainbow, Boston, Scorpions, Cream, GnR, Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, Van Halen, Thin Lizzy, etc. to me) and grunge aren't really commercially viable anymore, while recent releases by Sum 41, Blink-182, and GD have proved that pop punk is still alive and not only kicking, but thriving.
moonj17 Posted August 21, 2016 Posted August 21, 2016 Forgive me for adding my two cents to your conversation, but I respectfully disagree with some of what's been said. In addition to loving Green Day, I also love "classic rock". The NY classic rock station I listen to has a saying - "It doesn't have to be old to be classic." That statement is very true. This station plays all you would expect of a classic rock station (Pink Floyd, Beatles, Doors, Grateful Dead, etc.). They also play Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Foo Fighters, Guns N' Roses and Green Day. Yes, most of the GD songs are from Dookie, Insomniac and Nimrod, but I've also heard BOBD many times. In terms of traditional classic rock, BOBD isn't all that old. To address the GNR comparison to GD, although GNR officially became GNR in 1985, the various members were playing music long before then. As far as age goes, many of them have a good 10 years on the GD guys, and that's being conservative. I went to the GNR show in NJ and it was fantastic. To say that GNR fans aren't interested in hearing Green Day as an opening act is almost a stereotype. I'm not a Lenny Kravitz fan, but when I saw him open for GNR, he was amazing and the crowd loved him. I apologize for being all over the place (I'm new to the forum scene and I seem to be a bit older than many of you). I guess what I'm trying to say is, why can't great music just be great music without generalizations, stereotypes and labels? Of course there are different genres and categories of music, but in my opinion, classic rock is music that has made an impact, and in a way, it's timeless - not dated and definitely not irrelevant.
Chin for a Day Posted August 21, 2016 Posted August 21, 2016 6 hours ago, moonj17 said: Forgive me for adding my two cents to your conversation, but I respectfully disagree with some of what's been said. In addition to loving Green Day, I also love "classic rock". The NY classic rock station I listen to has a saying - "It doesn't have to be old to be classic." That statement is very true. This station plays all you would expect of a classic rock station (Pink Floyd, Beatles, Doors, Grateful Dead, etc.). They also play Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Foo Fighters, Guns N' Roses and Green Day. Yes, most of the GD songs are from Dookie, Insomniac and Nimrod, but I've also heard BOBD many times. In terms of traditional classic rock, BOBD isn't all that old. To address the GNR comparison to GD, although GNR officially became GNR in 1985, the various members were playing music long before then. As far as age goes, many of them have a good 10 years on the GD guys, and that's being conservative. I went to the GNR show in NJ and it was fantastic. To say that GNR fans aren't interested in hearing Green Day as an opening act is almost a stereotype. I'm not a Lenny Kravitz fan, but when I saw him open for GNR, he was amazing and the crowd loved him. I apologize for being all over the place (I'm new to the forum scene and I seem to be a bit older than many of you). I guess what I'm trying to say is, why can't great music just be great music without generalizations, stereotypes and labels? Of course there are different genres and categories of music, but in my opinion, classic rock is music that has made an impact, and in a way, it's timeless - not dated and definitely not irrelevant. Great post, welcome to the forum. If you fit, we do have an over 30 club. Join us, if you are over 30
moonj17 Posted August 21, 2016 Posted August 21, 2016 3 hours ago, JJ1964 said: Great post, welcome to the forum. If you fit, we do have an over 30 club. Join us, if you are over 30 Thank you. Where do I find this over 30 club? I definitely fit!
Hermione Posted August 21, 2016 Posted August 21, 2016 3 hours ago, moonj17 said: Thank you. Where do I find this over 30 club? I definitely fit! There's a clubs section that you'll be able to see/post in once you have over 100 posts . But until then there's plenty of us who are over 30/people of all ages posting all round the forum anyway!
moonj17 Posted August 21, 2016 Posted August 21, 2016 46 minutes ago, Hermione said: There's a clubs section that you'll be able to see/post in once you have over 100 posts . But until then there's plenty of us who are over 30/people of all ages posting all round the forum anyway! Thank you for the information and also for being so welcoming to a newbie!
gd86arg Posted August 21, 2016 Posted August 21, 2016 Close this thread, why is this still here? This was 3 days ago o_O The Cult was the band.
lizziebix Posted August 21, 2016 Posted August 21, 2016 2 hours ago, gd86arg said: Close this thread, why is this still here? This was 3 days ago o_O The Cult was the band. Oh my goodness, when were you made a mod? Guess what, if you stop posting in it so will others and it will disappear on its own. Thanks.
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