Revolution Radio Promotion and Commercial Performance

[End Of The World]

35 minutes ago, Steven Seagull said:

Did Green Day won any award with Rev Rad?

Yes: a place in the heart of a lot of GD fans, which is the most important thing. Sorry but commercial performance aside RevRad is far more loved than the Trilogy.

[Steven Seagull]

2 minutes ago, End Of The World said:

Yes: a place in the heart of a lot of GD fans, which is the most important thing. Sorry but commercial performance aside RevRad is far more loved than the Trilogy.

I don't know man, a lot of people were dissapointed with the final product (me included). And I bet that the next album will have a Trump theme all over which will suck even more. That's why Trilogy was so good, because it focused  on the music. Where did all guitar solos went in Rev Rad? Trilogy was a step forward musically and Rev Rad sounds like combination of their previous work.

[luketrebilliemike]

18 hours ago, JoeFrusciante said:

There's been almost no promotion in the U.K. Correct me if I'm wrong UK members but I've seen no posters around, no thanks adverts no nothing, very little social media presence. If I wasn't a fan of the band I wouldn't be aware of a new release

I seen them in kerrang and stuff, And a newspaper once, and some radio stuff.

[Christian's Inferno!]

6 minutes ago, Steven Seagull said:

I don't know man, a lot of people were dissapointed with the final product (me included). And I bet that the next album will have a Trump theme all over which will suck even more. That's why Trilogy was so good, because it focused  on the music. Where did all guitar solos went in Rev Rad? Trilogy was a step forward musically and Rev Rad sounds like combination of their previous work.

Well a hell of a lot more people were disappointed with the trilogy. For many people, this was a return to form. Not many people thought the trilogy was a return to form

[luketrebilliemike]

Tbh green days done little promo for this and the amount of sales for the time is great 

[End Of The World]

3 minutes ago, Steven Seagull said:

I don't know man, a lot of people were dissapointed with the final product (me included). And I bet that the next album will have a Trump theme all over which will suck even more. That's why Trilogy was so good, because it focused  on the music. Where did all guitar solos went in Rev Rad? Trilogy was a step forward musically and Rev Rad sounds like combination of their previous work.

I don't know what you mean by "a lot of people". Who are those?

Then Trilogy was good (I'm a Trilogy lover after all), but very repetitive. RevRad is short, essential and powerful and of course there is influence of other GD works (Trilogy too, listen to Outlaws and tell me if it's not a slower and more meaningful version of Wild One).

[RedundantIdiot]

I don't know how many times people here have said that the music industry is totally different from four years ago. And I can't emphasise this enough.

You just need to look at the effect that streaming has had on the singles chart in the UK. For every 100 streams that a song gets is equivalent to 1 physical purchase of that song. We only had ELEVEN number one singles in the UK in the whole of last year because the songs that were number 1 got streamed so much. The fact that only 11 songs were number one is absolutely astonishing. I think someone (possibly in this thread) said that if only physical purchases counted towards the singles chart then Bang Bang would have been well inside the top 40. 

And as @End Of The World has said before, the Trilogy didn't have a soul. For me, the Rev Rad era is a much more exciting and enjoyable era, and most importantly, Green Day seem so happy and healthy right now. 

[Steven Seagull]

8 minutes ago, Jake69 said:

Trilogy was not a step up musically at all. It was so formulaic with those forced guitar solos on every freaking song. And the riffs on the trilogy were so uneventful. Most  were 3 power chord songs and that's it. They might have changed the order of them for the chorus but overall the trilogy musically is mediocre.

 

Musically, Trilogy was the best they've done. No other album has so many great guitar solos. With Rev Rad all you get is basic power chord songs. They even borrowed the chord progressions from their early songs. (Fashion Victim) 

[End Of The World]

I'll prove how the world accept RevRad more than the Trilogy.

Critics

First of all RevRad has an average rank of 72, higher than every album of the Trilogy (which got respectively 67, 68 and 64 Also, RevRad has no negative review, while both Uno and Dos have 2 negative reviews.

Users

RevRad has an average mark of 8, with a percentage of negative reviews close to 7%. Uno, Dos and Trè have an average mark of 7 (even lower) and the percentage of negative review is respectively, 13%, 30% and 14%, with a "Trilogy average" of 17%.

So:

- 72 vs 66 = RevRad is more liked;

- 7% vs 17% = RevRad is less hated.

I've proved that the world accept RevRad more than the Trilogy.

Source: http://www.metacritic.com/person/green-day

I really don't care about those numbers because I love both works.

[Christian's Inferno!]

4 minutes ago, Steven Seagull said:

Musically, Trilogy was the best they've done. No other album has so many great guitar solos. With Rev Rad all you get is basic power chord songs. They even borrowed the chord progressions from their early songs. (Fashion Victim) 

It's fine if you like the trilogy but to say that is literally one of the most untrue statements you've ever said. The trilogy was enjoyable to listen to, and to me still is today but it absolutely is not the best they've done musically or lyrically. It's fun and experimental. But it's not epic or inventive or political (with exceptions), it's not the kind of music GD is known for

[Steven Seagull]

To me RevRad is super boring with few exceptions. Still Breathing and Ordinary World are good songs but all other are so average at best. Somewhere now sounds like some sitcom theme and Forever Now is a long song just for the sake of having a long song on the album but the song itself gets boring after 2 minutes. Compare that one to Dirty Rotten Bastards and you will see the difference. DRB is on a whole new level compared to Forever Now. It's like that with RevRad Green Day wanted to take the safe road. Put some political bullshit and stupid lyrics inside the songs and copy all their previous work with basic power chords. And I don't even mind if they made songs with just simple power chords. The thing that bothered me is that they included some weird sounding instrumental sections in the middle of the songs that completly destroyed them, not to mention the quiet and boring intros. Also I still don't know what some of the songs are trying to say. Lyrics are just so bad on this album.

[End Of The World]

1 minute ago, Jake69 said:

I agree that Revolution Radio is pretty stale musically but what I'm saying is that the trilogy isn't much better at all. The trilogy had the same basic power chord progressions as RevRad. Also, the trilogy riffs sound very similar to older work too. (Homecoming, basket case) And the drums on the trilogy are very lackluster. If I had to say one positive thing about RevRad is that the drums on their are fantastic. Trilogy is just boring musically.

I couldn't agree with you more.

Trilogy is good, but mostly because it's fun. I never thought like Uno, Dos and Trè as something serious. I like them because they make me dance from Nuclear Family to The Forgotten.

On the other hand RevRad is more serious, but at the same time can contain political (Bang Bang), deep (Still Breathing), fun (TDTD and Youngblood and epic (Forever Now) songs.

I prefer eclecticism to fun. There is no story.

1 minute ago, Steven Seagull said:

Compare that one to Dirty Rotten Bastards and you will see the difference. DRB is on a whole new level compared to Forever Now.

I once started a poll like that. The result was a ratio of like 8:1 for Forever Now. Again, DRB is fun (fucking great bass solo) but Forever Now is epic.

[Christian's Inferno!]

5 minutes ago, Steven Seagull said:

To me RevRad is super boring with few exceptions. Still Breathing and Ordinary World are good songs but all other are so average at best. Somewhere now sounds like some sitcom theme and Forever Now is a long song just for the sake of having a long song on the album but the song itself gets boring after 2 minutes. Compare that one to Dirty Rotten Bastards and you will see the difference. DRB is on a whole new level compared to Forever Now. It's like that with RevRad Green Day wanted to take the safe road. Put some political bullshit and stupid lyrics inside the songs and copy all their previous work with basic power chords. And I don't even mind if they made songs with just simple power chords. The thing that bothered me is that they included some weird sounding instrumental sections in the middle of the songs that completly destroyed them, not to mention the quiet and boring intros. Also I still don't know what some of the songs are trying to say. Lyrics are just so bad on this album.

1. This thread is about the commercial performance of RevRad, not personal opinions. Try not to talk about how you prefer the trilogy (which everybody already knew btw)

2. Forever Now is better than DRB, most people would agree, as shown by the following polls

3. Can you really complain about the lyrics in RevRad and not do the same for the trilogy. The trilogy has some cringeworthingly bad lyrics, while RevRad still has some cringey lyrics, it's nowhere near the cringe of the trilogy lyrics. RevRad also has some outstanding lyrics like on Troubled Times and Forever Now. The trilogy doesn't really have any lyrics that stand out. And where the trilogy's lyrics aren't cringeworthy, they're just generic
 

[Dimitris Gotsis]

1 hour ago, Steven Seagull said:

Did Green Day won any award with Rev Rad? They won best rock with the Trilogy. With the lack of good rock bands at the moment this is a sign that RevRad isn't that successful. Blink 182.5 is doing better than Green Day and I hate Blink 182.5.

...just sayin

Global Icon Award...

[Christian's Inferno!]

Just now, Jake69 said:

You kinda contradicted yourself there. 

Well kinda but to be fair I was just responding to Seagull's comment

[Billie Joes Eyelids]

On January 5, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Whatsername_123 said:

YouTube viewings update:

Still Breathing- 8.7million for the lyric video and 4.5 million for the music video

Bang Bang- 11.4m (lyric video), 3.2m (music video)

Rev Rad lyric video 6.2m

Youngblood lyric video 2.5m

Ordinary World lyric video 2m

Say Goodbye lyric video 3m 

The only figure above that I'm disappointed with is the Still Breathing music video.

On Still Breathing, I think people are going to the lyric video instead of the official video because the lyrics in that song are very inspirational to some. 

[Christian's Inferno!]

The Bang Bang music video is gaining views very slowly (like Xmas Time of the Year slowly ) I prefer the lyric video, it's just perfection!

[Joe.]

6 hours ago, Second favourite son said:

I've seen Revolution Radio posters/bus stop ads advertising the Hyde Park date (this sort of style) - but I'm living in London, it probably isn't the case outside the city.  

Yeah I'm in the south but there's no posters or anything on buses or in places like Bristol 

I'm not criticising the album, I think it's better than the trilogy, however it's clearly been less successful commercially 

[pisquano]

22 hours ago, MysticManiac said:

If we compare the Billboard 200 chart positions of Uno in 2012 with the Top Album Sales chart positions of RevRad in 2016 (comparing with the Billboard 200 chart positions in 2016 wouldn't work because that chart now takes streaming and track sales into account), we can see that RevRad has better positions

Uno Billboard 200 chart  positions - 2, 11, 26, 32, 46, 58, 72, 82, 189, 154, 135, 87, 91, 112, 118, 144
RevRad Top Album Sales chart positions - 1, 5, 18, 50, 38, 58, 43, 59, -, -, -, 75 (This chart only takes into account the Top 100 so "-" indicates higher than 100)

I can see here that RevRad has done better in terms of album sales from this chart. So, although Uno has sold more copies, RevRad has done better compared with other albums released around the same time as opposed to Uno which did worse compared to albums released around the same time as that album

The Top Albums Sales chart is a top 200 chart actually. The missing positions are 124, 120, 102. For those interested, the record has sold 77k in the UK (and 175k in the US as mentioned before). 

No way the trilogy has been more successful than RevRad, even Uno! will be outsold. That is definitely due to the quality of the records; no big worldwide hits came from the two, but Bang Bang is killer and Oh Love a filler: poor lyrics, poor sound (I don't freak out to the lyrics on RevRad, but compared to Uno! they are a masterpiece). As for solos, since you Seagull are a guitarist, you should know that every solo on the trilogy has the same boring ideas behind it, which is "hey let's do the same penthatonic stuff I did back in the early nineties!". With the difference that 39/smooth and Kerplunk solos were kinda inspired and more developed, the ones in Nuclear Family, Let Yourself Go, Loss of Control, Oh Love are embarassing ugly fillers. Like the unoriginal improvisation Billie does on American Idiot live.

But why am I wasting my time with Seagull? 

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16 minutes ago, pisquano said:

The Top Albums Sales chart is a top 200 chart actually. The missing positions are 124, 120, 102. For those interested, the record has sold 77k in the UK (and 175k in the US as mentioned before). 

No way the trilogy has been more successful than RevRad, even Uno! will be outsold. That is definitely due to the quality of the records; no big worldwide hits came from the two, but Bang Bang is killer and Oh Love a filler: poor lyrics, poor sound (I don't freak out to the lyrics on RevRad, but compared to Uno! they are a masterpiece). As for solos, since you Seagull are a guitarist, you should know that every solo on the trilogy has the same boring ideas behind it, which is "hey let's do the same penthatonic stuff I did back in the early nineties!". With the difference that 39/smooth and Kerplunk solos were kinda inspired and more developed, the ones in Nuclear Family, Let Yourself Go, Loss of Control, Oh Love are embarassing ugly fillers. Like the unoriginal improvisation Billie does on American Idiot live.

Well there's only 100 here: http://www.billboard.com/charts/top-album-sales/2016-10-29

I completely agree with you btw except I wouldn't call Oh Love a filler. That's a good song

17 minutes ago, pisquano said:

But why am I wasting my time with Seagull? 

I've been asking myself that same question

[Steven Seagull]

Don't lie to yourself. RevRad comes no where close the Trilogy.

[That Dude]

2 hours ago, Steven Seagull said:

Don't lie to yourself. RevRad comes no where close the Trilogy.

The Trilogy is great.  Out of curiosity, how do you feel about other Green Day albums?  I know you don't like American Idiot or Revolution Radio, but what about Nimrod, Insomniac, Warning, Kerplunk, 1039 or Dookie?   

I'll share first!  I'm an Idiot / Warning / Nimrod sort of fellow (Rev Rad's, with its commercially successful butt performing and such comes in at a close 4th - There, part of this is on topic!).

I peg you for a Trilogy / Insomniac / Kerplunk kind of guy.  Am I close?  Waaay off?  

 

 

 

 

 

[bouncingoffthewallbja]

This thread has nearly turned into the Trilogy Discussion II 

[Christian's Inferno!]

13 minutes ago, bouncingoffthewallbja said:

This thread has nearly turned into the Trilogy Discussion II 

Welcome to any thread that Steven Seagull comments in

[bouncingoffthewallbja]

I am undoubtedly one for people expressing their personal opinions regarding albums and appreciate the fact that everyone has different views and reasons as to why an album is their favourite, least favourite etc. Personally, I don't think that the Trilogy and RevRad can really be compared in any real way, without some sort of disagreement arising 

First of all, we have to acknowledge and accept the fact that very few people are buying physical records nowadays compared to a decade ago, let alone 2012. There's been a dramatic shift in the way people listen to music and the way the music charts are calculated etc. Sure, ¡Uno! might have sold more copies than RevRad, but that is primarily due to the fact that the industry has changed over the course of the four years between them and the fact that there was so much hype and sky-high expectations for the Trilogy, that people were bound to be all over it upon its release. 

There were also three albums released in 2012, compared to just RevRad last year. The trilogy generated so much hype because Green Day had set the bar so high with AI (and more or less kept it there with 21CB), that people were setting their expectations (ridiculously) high for the trilogy. There's nothing wrong with that, other than the fact that there's a high chance you'll be disappointed with what you're presented with. Personally, I don't see the trilogy as a flop. It mightn't have been a massive commercial success, but it did spawn some fantastic songs and three albums worth of GD material, which is good enough for me! 

Even though I wasn't around here on GDC back in 2012, I've seen countless people mention that it was a rather tumultuous and uncomfortable time with everything that had been going on. For me, this era is raw, pure and quintessentially Green Day. The only thing that was needed to produce RevRad was the band's undying passion to make and perform music. That was the catalyst for RevRad. Not booze, not people's ridiculously high standards and expectations - just that burning passion to play music. 

In short, I'm a supporter of both RevRad and the Trilogy. The trilogy may have had too many guitar solos to count, random (and sometimes questionable ) lyrics and may not have been a huge commercial success, but I see the trilogy as the band trying something new, finding out what went wrong and using what they learned in the next 3/4 years to produce RevRad, which I think was more than worth the wait! 

I apologise profusely for swaying off topic, but I just wanted to highlight the fact that the Trilogy and RevRad eras are very different to one another, and that instead of disagreeing about which albums sold more etc, we should embrace the fact that our beloved band is still making music, still having fun doing it, and still kicking ass