Merry Christmas! Here's a new Green Day song

[Steven Seagull]

Dookie had the best production ever. No lie only truth.

[BilIie Joe Armstrong]

5 hours ago, TimmyChunks said:

OK, put me in the "it's basically a demo and I'm just fucking happy they're playing music together and gracious enough to release it to us fans" camp.

 

For fuck's sake people, how lucky are we to be nit picking about a fuckaround demo? I can't imagine what a poor Stone Temple Pilots die hard fan might think of this conversation. Talk about an embarrassment of riches.

Kids in North Korea don't even know Green Day and we bitch about them. Ingratitude. 

[Z J]

11 hours ago, WhiteTim said:

It did actually... tho very sparsely 

where? Never to this level at all. 

 

And if it's used very sparsely, then that is still my point. BS&B, Church on Sunday, Castaway, Jackass, Deadbeat Holiday, Waiting, and Macy's Day Parade off the top of my head do not use the amount of reverb or double tracking that this single uses

9 hours ago, Steven Seagull said:

Dookie had the best production ever. No lie only truth.

I actually agree. All the instruments sound great and Billie's tone cuts well. Only gripe is with She, because they buried a great vocal melody in the mix

[Chin for a Day]

10 minutes ago, Z J said:

 

 

And if it's used very sparsely, then that is still my point. BS&B, Church on Sunday, Castaway, Jackass, Deadbeat Holiday, Waiting, and Macy's Day Parade off the top of my head do not use the amount of reverb or double tracking that this single uses

 

Listen closely and you can hear the filter on almost every song on Warning.  I think it is clearest on Church on Sunday, it is very subtle, but it is there.  However, no one is denying that the filters were over used on this xmas song.  The point is that filters are something that he has experimented with for quite some time.  Hopefully, he realizes it was too much here and will tone down the filters for the new album.

[WhiteTim]

34 minutes ago, Z J said:

where? Never to this level at all. 

 

And if it's used very sparsely, then that is still my point. BS&B, Church on Sunday, Castaway, Jackass, Deadbeat Holiday, Waiting, and Macy's Day Parade off the top of my head do not use the amount of reverb or double tracking that this single uses

Waiting has the filter escp on the wake up part 

But I've never once said warning used as much filters as this song does I've only pointed out he has been using the filter since at least the Warning album 

[The Great Saiyaman]

15 hours ago, TimmyChunks said:

I can't imagine what a poor Stone Temple Pilots die hard fan might think of this conversation.

[BilIie Joe Armstrong]

34 minutes ago, Lady Nightlife said:

so, how was everyone's Christmas?

I caught the flu.

[Libertine Angel]

1 hour ago, Lady Nightlife said:

so, how was everyone's Christmas?

I got a 3-CD Buzzcocks set, I spent the day listening to that. It's bloody good.

[Libertine Angel]

Just now, Lady Nightlife said:

Bet it sounded better than this song we're all talking about

I still like this one but I won't deny that Aside from the first half of disc 1 I'd only heard shitty YouTube rips before, the actual thing sounds so much better.

[Z J]

6 hours ago, JJ1964 said:

Listen closely and you can hear the filter on almost every song on Warning.  I think it is clearest on Church on Sunday, it is very subtle, but it is there.  However, no one is denying that the filters were over used on this xmas song.  The point is that filters are something that he has experimented with for quite some time.  Hopefully, he realizes it was too much here and will tone down the filters for the new album.

 

5 hours ago, WhiteTim said:

Waiting has the filter escp on the wake up part 

But I've never once said warning used as much filters as this song does I've only pointed out he has been using the filter since at least the Warning album 

I guess where I differ is that you're calling it "the same" filter but the execution, usage, and sound is completely different, not just the intensity of it

[WhiteTim]

56 minutes ago, Z J said:

 

I guess where I differ is that you're calling it "the same" filter but the execution, usage, and sound is completely different, not just the intensity of it

The sound of the filter isn't completely different it only sounds different due to the differences between the recordings 

[Johnny Higher]

Is that the good words ?

 

Seasons, greeting cards and Christmas
Lights light up the city at the end of the year

This time I got no resolutions
Giving thanks for nothing but joy into a new year

Tonight, friends have what its worth
Peace and Love on Earth
And another year giving thanks again

The sleigh bells deck the halls with good will
Say a prayer for the lost souls
Christmas time of the year

Tonight friends have what its worth
Peace and Love on Earth
And another year giving thanks again

Somewhere another plastic manger
Giving thanks to strangers
Christmas time of the year

[Steven Seagull]

1 hour ago, Rikimaru-sama said:

Is that the good words ?

Giving thanks for nothing but joy into a new year

Say a prayer for lost souls
 

Like this

[Steven Seagull]

1 minute ago, Lady Nightlife said:

What the fuck are those lyrics? They literally make zero sense. This is a really worrying trend in Billie's song-writing. The entire trilogy was composed of very poor lyrics (with a few exceptions) and these just continue in the same vein. FUCK this song makes me angry.

when a foreigner understands the meaning of the lyrics and you don't

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

Yeah also particularly annoying is

"giving thanks for nothing" 

then a few lines later

"and another year giving thanks again"  

Wild idea...next time actually read back what you wrote before recording it and releasing it online. 

[Steven Seagull]

9 minutes ago, Lady Nightlife said:

Please, explain them to me. They literally just look like a random mish-mash of Christmasey nonsense that someone (Billie?) mixed together and shat out into a microphone.

Seasons, greeting cards and Christmas
Lights light up the city at the end of the year

Don't know how greeting cards are supposed to light up a city and it looks like he just threw "seasons" in as filler. Stupid.

This time I got no resolutions
Giving thanks for nothing but joy into the year
 

"This time I got no resolutions" - okay, fine, but then "Giving thanks for nothing but joy into the year" makes ZERO sense. If it was "... joy in the year" that would be okay but "into" is just a stupid grammatical choice. I'm guessing he used into so the line would fit with the music but it's just LAZY SLOPPY SHIT.

It's holiday season, time of the year when you get greeting cards and the whole Christmas spirit with lights n shit make you feel nice because the year is almost over.
It's giving thanks *pause* for nothing but joy into a new year. Self explanatory.

9 minutes ago, Lady Nightlife said:

Tonight, friends have what its worth
Peace and Love on Earth
And another year giving thanks again
 

Nice sentiment with the friends and peace and love but the last line kills it. Again. Why is that line even there? It makes my head hurt to even look at it. It doesn't even rhyme. What is giving thanks? The year? Thanks for what? Or is it the singer giving thanks again this year? So unclear, and this from the band who gave us American Idiot and Dookie. Fuck's sake.

The sleigh bells deck the halls with good will
Say a prayer for the lost souls
Christmas time of the year
 

THIS ONE IS A REAL FUCKING DOOZY. I could accept it if it was just "the sleigh bells deck the halls." Cool. Halls decorated with sleigh bells. But then "with good will." what does that even mean? Did the sleigh bells have a good attitude about being used to decorate the halls? Are the halls decorated with sleigh bells and good will? Why the hell is this cheery little nonsensical line followed up with SAY A PRAYER FOR THE LOST SOULS? So dramatic, so unnecessary, and then the idea of lost souls isn't even expanded upon in any sort of way throughout the rest of the song, and the "Christmas time of the year" line just sounds stupid coming after that. "Pray for lost souls, YAY IT'S CHRISTMAS!!"

Tonight it's the happiest day of the year, because we forget all the bad things and just enjoy the moment.
We wish that next year we'll be happy again.

Sleigh bells bring joy, Christmas spirit and good will
We should remember those who aren't as fortunate to enjoy Christmas
Christmas time of the year that follows probably means you should appreciate what you have

9 minutes ago, Lady Nightlife said:

Somewhere another plastic manger
Giving thanks to strangers
Christmas time of the year

Fuck this verse. It's probably the worst one. Plastic mangers aren't sentient beings and they can't give thanks for anything, whether to strangers or not. WHY WOULD A PLASTIC MANGER BE GIVING THANKS TO STRANGERS? My head feels like it's going to explode with rage every time I read this verse, I am not joking. I am severely disappointed with these lyrics on every level. I bet my 6 year old could write a better Christmas song than this and she isn't a Grammy-award-winning, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductee who's been writing amazing songs for over 20 years.

jesus christ I need a drink.

The plastic manger is not making thanks to strangers. It's two different things he's saying. With first two lines he explains briefly what he sees at Christmas time.

[gnash]

1 hour ago, Lady Nightlife said:

Please, explain them to me. They literally just look like a random mish-mash of Christmasey nonsense that someone (Billie?) mixed together and shat out into a microphone.

Seasons, greeting cards and Christmas
Lights light up the city at the end of the year

Don't know how greeting cards are supposed to light up a city and it looks like he just threw "seasons" in as filler. Stupid.

This time I got no resolutions
Giving thanks for nothing but joy into the year
 

"This time I got no resolutions" - okay, fine, but then "Giving thanks for nothing but joy into the year" makes ZERO sense. If it was "... joy in the year" that would be okay but "into" is just a stupid grammatical choice. I'm guessing he used into so the line would fit with the music but it's just LAZY SLOPPY SHIT.

Tonight, friends have what its worth
Peace and Love on Earth
And another year giving thanks again
 

Nice sentiment with the friends and peace and love but the last line kills it. Again. Why is that line even there? It makes my head hurt to even look at it. It doesn't even rhyme. What is giving thanks? The year? Thanks for what? Or is it the singer giving thanks again this year? So unclear, and this from the band who gave us American Idiot and Dookie. Fuck's sake.

The sleigh bells deck the halls with good will
Say a prayer for the lost souls
Christmas time of the year
 

THIS ONE IS A REAL FUCKING DOOZY. I could accept it if it was just "the sleigh bells deck the halls." Cool. Halls decorated with sleigh bells. But then "with good will." what does that even mean? Did the sleigh bells have a good attitude about being used to decorate the halls? Are the halls decorated with sleigh bells and good will? Why the hell is this cheery little nonsensical line followed up with SAY A PRAYER FOR THE LOST SOULS? So dramatic, so unnecessary, and then the idea of lost souls isn't even expanded upon in any sort of way throughout the rest of the song, and the "Christmas time of the year" line just sounds stupid coming after that. "Pray for lost souls, YAY IT'S CHRISTMAS!!"

Tonight friends have what its worth
Peace and Love on Earth
And another year giving thanks again
 

I've already explored this idiotic verse.

Somewhere another plastic manger
Giving thanks to strangers
Christmas time of the year

Fuck this verse. It's probably the worst one. Plastic mangers aren't sentient beings and they can't give thanks for anything, whether to strangers or not. WHY WOULD A PLASTIC MANGER BE GIVING THANKS TO STRANGERS? My head feels like it's going to explode with rage every time I read this verse, I am not joking. I am severely disappointed with these lyrics on every level. I bet my 6 year old could write a better Christmas song than this and she isn't a Grammy-award-winning, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductee who's been writing amazing songs for over 20 years.

jesus christ I need a drink.

I hear a few of those words slightly differently which grammatically improves them a little bit...

"'Season's Greetings' cards"

"Giving thanks for nothing but joy into the New Year"

"End another year giving thanks again"

Stlil not exactly up there with the best Xmas songs, and 'Xmas time of the year' is a clumsy as fuck sentence, but still

[sara_gd]

On 26/12/2015 at 8:31 AM, AlissaGoesRAWR said:

I honestly don't think she's that far-off in her review... I thought it was pretty spot-on. This song might sound like recent Green Day, but it doesn't sound like good Green Day — the style they're known for or the style that made them a successful band and a household name. If all of Green Day sounded like this song, or the trilogy, we wouldn't even know who Green Day was to begin with.

I really don't understand why fans can't take criticism without jumping to extreme generalizations like this, saying a "poor writer" needs to be crushed and pitied for writing an honest, accurate, three-paragraph review. She's a music journalist. It's her job to review music. And a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductee releasing their first music since the induction and their most recent album is newsworthy and deserves a review, critical or not.

This whole thread sort of comes off as a big circlejerk of the typical "you're not a REAL fan if you don't like this song!!!" people. To me, that seems a bit more extreme than just nodding your head and accepting that everyone is entitled to their own opinions, even if you don't agree with them. Yes, we love Green Day. But yes, it's possible that the band may produce things that just simply aren't that good. This song is one of those things. There's nothing wrong with analyzing their material from an objective point of view. 

And people say Ceadagh overreacts to things...

I'm quite late here, but I wanted to say: I don't really like this song and, while I think they didn't need to do something outstanding just for a Christmas gift to us fans, I do understand that it's the first Green Day we hear in some time and the general public might be willing to analize it as new Green Day. Now, this girl is saying that she doesn't recognize who this song is from because it's not punk or pop punk, because she thinks everything by Green Day is. Appart from going over the eternal punk debate, they've done plenty of stuff -that she apparently supported- that just can't be catalogued as punk, is not as this is the first time they go off "their sound". So basically what she's saying makes no sense to me at all, for that reason no, I don't think that review is well written or accurate. 

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

Just now, sara_gd said:

I'm quite late here, but I wanted to say: I don't really like this song and, while I think they didn't need to do something outstanding just for a Christmas gift to us fans, I do understand that it's the first Green Day we hear in some time and the general public might be willing to analize it as new Green Day. Now, this girl is saying that she doesn't recognize who this song is from because it's not punk or pop punk, because she thinks everything by Green Day is. Appart from going over the eternal punk debate, they've done plenty of stuff -that she apparently supported- that just can't be catalogued as punk, is not as this is the first time they go off "their sound". So basically what she's saying makes no sense to me at all, for that reason no, I don't think this review is well written or accurate. 

Except she isn't saying she doesn't like it because it isn't punk or pop-punk. She, like many of us, is saying she doesn't like it because it's just an overall shitty song.

 

[sara_gd]

2 minutes ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said:

Except she isn't saying she doesn't like it because it isn't punk or pop-punk. She, like many of us, is saying she doesn't like it because it's just an overall shitty song.

 

No... She's saying that she doesn't like it because "it sounds nothing like Green Day" and " I hear almost none of the characteristic drums, and not even a hint of bass. This isn’t punk. It isn’t even pop punk". She gave a little detail on why she thinks this (filters, not being able to distinguish intruments), but the main idea is she doesn't like it because it's not Green Day/punk! 

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

2 minutes ago, sara_gd said:

No... She's saying that she doesn't like it because "it sounds nothing like Green Day" and " I hear almost none of the characteristic drums, and not even a hint of bass. This isn’t punk. It isn’t even pop punk". She gave a little detail on why she thinks this (filters, not being able to distinguish intruments), but the main idea is she doesn't like it because it's not Green Day/punk! 

I took it as "it doesn't sound like Green Day, it sounds bad, and Green Day normally doesn't sound bad." I took those details as her description of why it sounds like shit (which it does), not why it doesn't sound "punk." I only took her mentioning of "I defend people when they say Green Day isn't punk" as her explanation of how she's usually a Green Day supporter, despite the shit they usually get. I guess that's the beauty of writing — it's open for interpretation.

[Johnny Higher]

I'll come back later for the"Peace And Love" on Earth because I don't see any of these things in this thread.

[Libertine Angel]

On 25/12/2015 at 2:01 PM, Darth Seditus said:

Only GDC could have a ten fifteen page debate on the merits of a happy little Christmas number.

 

[sara_gd]

2 minutes ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said:

I took it as "it doesn't sound like Green Day, it sounds bad, and Green Day normally doesn't sound bad." I took those details as her description of why it sounds like shit (which it does), not why it doesn't sound "punk." I guess that's the beauty of writing — it's open for interpretation.

But "This isn’t punk". Her intentions couldn't be more clear really  

[Illuminati]

I dont listen to the Trilogy very much but when I do it instantly hits me how weak it sounds. It lacks the energy and drive that their other albums have. Quite disturbing to me actually. Not sure if even more distortion could have saved it. Billie just doesnt sound as he did in his 20s. 

I do understand if he wants to write music that suits his age more, dad rock if you'd like. But personally I don't feel like I'm there yet. I want the punk rock that I hope they're still capable of.

I'm trying not to read too much into this Christmas song (which by the way I think is alright if you take it for what it is) but it doesn't look good for the future.

I feel like such a dick for saying this because I love the band so much.