Where do you personally think Green Day should go sonically with their next record?

[Fuzz]

2 hours ago, Private Ale. said:

I disagree.The nirvana hype was never fair ,it was always exaggerated and especially living in an area where it was everywhere,i prayed a lot for it to end.I still do actually.Don't get me wrong,i don't hate them.I just think they are overshadowing other artists so much.So many kids are Nirvana fans just to be cool.I was a teenager once so i tried to love them just to be cool as my friends.I didn't like it, and once i stopped pretending that i do, i was not so cool in my school for that fact.

 

If people want Rock to rise again, that shouldn't happen with Nirvana,in fact people should realize how many undeserved credit they gave to them.But if people actually expand their band choices,listen to different bands without worying about being cool ,i think that's a great way to "keep rock alive."

 

Also,the hatred for eyeliner is fake and prejudiced ,i guess it only doesn't work for nirvana.I realized how angry i am for all exaggerated credit they got.I should  stop now.

I think everyone agrees with your last sentence at least. 

[Private Ale.]

1 hour ago, WhiteTim said:

But yet Nirvana changed rock and what band has done that since? Teen Spirit was so huge that country stations jazz stations and even a few oldies stations were forced to play it no rock band has done that since 

I don't deny it. I just think it is big enough.And in my country there was a big pressure to like nirvana if you wanna be cool,respected in school.And yet some bands were uncool.Like nickelback,some local bands.Not kidding,i secretly liked nickelback and some of local bands but there was no way to express yourself like that.The person i quoted was talking about how to keep rock alive,i think that's only possible when "cool or uncool bands" case ends. I'm just fed up with Nirvana in my life. Like Adele's new song. or replace it another overrated thing. Not bad but just enough.

 

1 hour ago, st_trillie said:

Reading some of the comments on here is making my eyes bleed. I wonder if people realise they should not make generalised statements about millions of people such as all fans of a certain band believe blah or all kids from a certain era do/listen only to blah. It really does sound dumb because you can't sweep up millions of people and label them all the same or claim to know what they believe or feel or even listen to every day!

I think when someone talks about people ,it's always only people they know.And it's normal.In another case,it's impossible to talk about people since there is always minority or different type of person.So that doesn't mean it involves everybody in the world,just how they have seen from people around them.At least this is how it works for me.

[Ham Pascale]

1 hour ago, WhiteTim said:

Whammy do you despise MOH?

If Brett Morgen didn't go around telling everyone how it will blow our minds and reintroduce Cobain to us, I would have probably been more cool about it.  But seriously, Montage of Heck basically retells the story that has been recycled over and over again for over 20 years.

1 hour ago, WhiteTim said:

But yet Nirvana changed rock and what band has done that since? Teen Spirit was so huge that country stations jazz stations and even a few oldies stations were forced to play it no rock band has done that since 

The more people drone on about how Nirvana apparently changed music, the more I question their impact on music - music in general, not popular music. Sure, Teen Spirit was huge, but, honestly was there anything more to them? What exactly did they change? Only if forcing hair metal bands to go grunge was a significant change. Sure, Nirvana is a good band, a great band, I'd say. But if you compare them to what people make of them to reality, Nirvana is three talentless young men trying to be ~edgy af. 

[WhiteTim]

21 minutes ago, Ham Pascale said:

If Brett Morgen didn't go around telling everyone how it will blow our minds and reintroduce Cobain to us, I would have probably been more cool about it.  But seriously, Montage of Heck basically retells the story that has been recycled over and over again for over 20 years.

The more people drone on about how Nirvana apparently changed music, the more I question their impact on music - music in general, not popular music. Sure, Teen Spirit was huge, but, honestly was there anything more to them? What exactly did they change? Only if forcing hair metal bands to go grunge was a significant change. Sure, Nirvana is a good band, a great band, I'd say. But if you compare them to what people make of them to reality, Nirvana is three talentless young men trying to be ~edgy af. 

Well Morgan has to be a salesmen no different than GD saying the trilogy was great albums and such 

and Nirvana isn't grunge Bleach is the only album that could maybe be considered grunge...

Nevermind and In Utero were great albums with no fillers on them Cobain wrote excellent lyrics that teens and young adults could relate to and had a singing style that remains unmatched had a great sense of melody as well

are the the greatest band ever of all time? No of course not but I'd argue they are one of the best bands of their time frame 

A lot of bands got signed to majors due to Nirvana a lot of bands are influenced by them as well of course I won't lie I'm happy that the obvious Nirvana clones days are over 

[Private Ale.]

1 hour ago, Andres said:

I think everyone agrees with your last sentence at least. 

Not everyone .not me. i have just  started thinking about writing a long article about how overrated nirvana is.Cause whenever you talk shit about nirvana ,many people think it's about how much you hate them.However,that's not the case.

[Ham Pascale]

1 minute ago, WhiteTim said:

Well Morgan has to be a salesmen no different than GD saying the trilogy was great albums and such 

and Nirvana isn't grunge Bleach is the only album that could maybe be considered grunge...

Nevermind and In Utero were great albums with no fillers on them Cobain wrote excellent lyrics that teens and young adults could relate to and had a singing style that remains unmatched had a great sense of melody as well

are the the greatest band ever of all time? No of course not but I'd argue they are one of the best bands of their time frame 

I agree with nearly everything, although I believe Nirvana's lyrics rarely ever adressed to teenagers' and young adults' problems, so there was nothing to relate to, really.

[WhiteTim]

1 minute ago, Ham Pascale said:

I agree with nearly everything, although I believe Nirvana's lyrics rarely ever adressed to teenagers' and young adults' problems, so there was nothing to relate to, really.

Well ok maybe not teens but teens could relate to the angst of Cobains voice 

but About A Girl Lounge Act You Know Your Right Heart-Shaped Box Dumb All Apologies are some of the relatable songs

[unextraordinarygirl]

For me  Nirvana was huge. I was going through some really rough times and I could really relate to their songs. It helped me to get through and go on.  When Kurt died I was so sad. It felt like I lost a friend. 

[SmoothedOut]

18 hours ago, unextraordinarygirl said:

Please don't call Green day Emo because they're not. They are a rock band that are sometimes associated with Punk. 

I did not call them emo.

 

9 hours ago, DookieLukie said:

I agree on pretty much every point. Modern indie music is considered "rock" when it really isn't. Bands like Imagine Dragons and Artic Monkeys are safe and all talk. Sadly, they dominate what is considered rock music, when it's really just a slightly slower and harder version of pop music for angsty teens and little girls, similar to 5SOS and 1D. Fuck, Death Cab for Cutie is nominated for Best Rock Album, and Florence and the Machine is nominated for Best Rock Performance. Neither of these are stereotypical rock bands. Rock is an umbrella term, but there's a uniting similarity of energy and power.

Yeah. How Rock is defined by the mainstream has changed undeniably. It's like anything that was rock before "doesn't rock" anymore. And I agree with your point about the old rock acts (all characteristics: sound, lifestyle, etc.) being hated now more than ever. It's being shunned by people who have always hated the genre but labelling Best Coast and the Arctic Monkeys the only good type of rock around. Don't get me wrong - I like those two bands.

 

7 hours ago, Ham Pascale said:

I disagree with absolutely everything. Rock music decline was made up by who 90's kids who can't come to terms with the fact that they are out of touch with what's cool anymore and refuse to accept that your rock idols are not spoon-fed to you by MTV and major labels. Are Sex Pistols dangerous? Just as edgy and dangerous as an old man swinging his fist in anger. Sex Pistols are practically 5SOS of the 70's. Are Nirvana dangerous? Nope, a heroin-slamming pseudo-artist with larger-than-life ego with his backing band is not. Nirvana's "genius" is nothing more than a marketing strategy to make you buy Nirvana biographies and watch crap like Montage of Heck (which I absolutely despise).

I understand what you are trying to say. You are basically describing the nature of youth. But I must say that you are wrong with this point. The punk movement of the 70s itself was an attack on the hippie and psychadelic culture movement of the 60s. The next generation is always going to be bored with what the previous generation has left - this has been the case since before the 90s and before the age of consumerism with other art forms. Youthful rebellion serves as a check on complacency and apathy. This I agree with so I can readily accept what will happen next.

And I feel that I really have to defend Sex Pistols here. The Sex Pistols were a completely different animal and I find that they embody that ideology you speak of the most. Johnny Rotten is one interesting human. He was thinking outside this era of consumerism. He did not want to please people on TV, or sell many records. He wanted to challenge what was wrong with society, people in general, and the British Monarchy. While the Monkees were singing daddy's music, he was singing about abortion and the Queen being a big fat wanker. God Save the Queen went to Number 2 in the UK and he still couldn't care less because he knew it was all just a result of consumer mentality. He always hated interviews because they were fashioned to MARKET his music to an audience, which was the least of his concerns. He has even gone so far as to call Public Image Ltd a company and not a band, because a band is just another thing to sell. >Age of Consumerism< Sex Pistols will stand out from this century not just as a 'great band', but as genuine artists who continued the work of artists of previous centuries who were also DANGEROUS and SKEPTIC of reality. You could say they served as checks on the bullcrap that higher authorities always give you. Truly a cultural artifact.

4 hours ago, st_trillie said:

Reading some of the comments on here is making my eyes bleed. I wonder if people realise they should not make generalised statements about millions of people such as all fans of a certain band believe blah or all kids from a certain era do/listen only to blah. It really does sound dumb because you can't sweep up millions of people and label them all the same or claim to know what they believe or feel or even listen to every day!

I think I made it clear that I was observing how it is like where I'm from. Also, I specifically asked people if they could share their views from their areas for comparison. I am keeping in mind the differences across cultures and places. >Hope you were talking about the other guy who basically dissed all 90s kids. :\

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

9 hours ago, st_trillie said:

Reading some of the comments on here is making my eyes bleed. I wonder if people realise they should not make generalised statements about millions of people such as all fans of a certain band believe blah or all kids from a certain era do/listen only to blah. It really does sound dumb because you can't sweep up millions of people and label them all the same or claim to know what they believe or feel or even listen to every day!

I know, right? It amazes me how worked up and angry people get about other peoples' music tastes. Like, it doesn't affect you at all? Why does everyone have to be such a dick about it? As long as the bands you like are still releasing music, another band's success really doesn't matter. The beauty of music is there's literally something that appeals to everyone.

I mean, I dislike "indie" music, and I wish it'd go away, but there's no point in crusading against it because it likely isn't going anywhere.

[WhiteTim]

9 minutes ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said:

I know, right? It amazes me how worked up and angry people get about other peoples' music tastes. Like, it doesn't affect you at all? Why does everyone have to be such a dick about it? As long as the bands you like are still releasing music, another band's success really doesn't matter. The beauty of music is there's literally something that appeals to everyone.

I mean, I dislike "indie" music, and I wish it'd go away, but there's no point in crusading against it because it likely isn't going anywhere.

I don't like your opinion and my opinion is better than your opinion lol

[Ham Pascale]

8 hours ago, SmoothedOut said:

I did not call them emo.

 

Yeah. How Rock is defined by the mainstream has changed undeniably. It's like anything that was rock before "doesn't rock" anymore. And I agree with your point about the old rock acts (all characteristics: sound, lifestyle, etc.) being hated now more than ever. It's being shunned by people who have always hated the genre but labelling Best Coast and the Arctic Monkeys the only good type of rock around. Don't get me wrong - I like those two bands.

 

I understand what you are trying to say. You are basically describing the nature of youth. But I must say that you are wrong with this point. The punk movement of the 70s itself was an attack on the hippie and psychadelic culture movement of the 60s. The next generation is always going to be bored with what the previous generation has left - this has been the case since before the 90s and before the age of consumerism with other art forms. Youthful rebellion serves as a check on complacency and apathy. This I agree with so I can readily accept what will happen next.

And I feel that I really have to defend Sex Pistols here. The Sex Pistols were a completely different animal and I find that they embody that ideology you speak of the most. Johnny Rotten is one interesting human. He was thinking outside this era of consumerism. He did not want to please people on TV, or sell many records. He wanted to challenge what was wrong with society, people in general, and the British Monarchy. While the Monkees were singing daddy's music, he was singing about abortion and the Queen being a big fat wanker. God Save the Queen went to Number 2 in the UK and he still couldn't care less because he knew it was all just a result of consumer mentality. He always hated interviews because they were fashioned to MARKET his music to an audience, which was the least of his concerns. He has even gone so far as to call Public Image Ltd a company and not a band, because a band is just another thing to sell. >Age of Consumerism< Sex Pistols will stand out from this century not just as a 'great band', but as genuine artists who continued the work of artists of previous centuries who were also DANGEROUS and SKEPTIC of reality. You could say they served as checks on the bullcrap that higher authorities always give you. Truly a cultural artifact.

But words do not matter, action does. And Johnny Rotten was all words. Okay, he called PIL a "company", but he didn't seem so eager on dumping these huge stadim gigs, record contracts and other goodies. Okay, he is skeptical of reality - but who isn't? It's easy to hate everything, but it's not easy trying to change everything - and Rotten possessed this "world owes me a living mentality". Johnny hates interviews - but WHY THE HELL he has a multiple page interviews on RS site. If he didn't want all this, he could have walked out, no questions asked. But he didn't do that - he is always there showing off his disdain for everything. He is an ultimate hypocrite and as years go by he becomes dumber and dumber.

Sex Pistols were a product of upper class  - Malcolm McLaren and Vivienne Westwood are far from working class kids. Sex Pistols has put NY punk up for mass consumption, that's all. They were mareketed to please and maybe soothe all these frustrated but nevertheless gullible teens. They rallied again against the Queen (although the royalty has little to no say in politics, and wouldn't it be more logical to "oppose" the prime minister?) because Malcolm could always bail them out. They could curse on TV because Malcolm would take the heat for them. They've relinquishedso much control of their lives they almost went nuts. At least Rotten did. And how can you not go nuts when you can do whatever the hell you please and having someone to take all the responsibility for you?

[SmoothedOut]

16 hours ago, Ham Pascale said:

But words do not matter, action does. And Johnny Rotten was all words. Okay, he called PIL a "company", but he didn't seem so eager on dumping these huge stadim gigs, record contracts and other goodies. Okay, he is skeptical of reality - but who isn't? It's easy to hate everything, but it's not easy trying to change everything - and Rotten possessed this "world owes me a living mentality". Johnny hates interviews - but WHY THE HELL he has a multiple page interviews on RS site. If he didn't want all this, he could have walked out, no questions asked. But he didn't do that - he is always there showing off his disdain for everything. He is an ultimate hypocrite and as years go by he becomes dumber and dumber.

Without the Sex Pistols we would not be talking in this forum. Without the punk movement, there would be no Green Day. That's all one needs to look at to know Johnny Rotten's significance in music. And a company can do anything, music is just another platform to communicate and you need stadiums and record contracts for that.

 

20 hours ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said:

I mean, I dislike "indie" music, and I wish it'd go away, but there's no point in crusading against it because it likely isn't going anywhere.

I don't agree with this. I mean, what's going to happen if we just sit there and do nothing about things that really bother us? If you dislike indie music, own up to your opinion. If we share different views, then let's have a meaningful discussion. I'm just pointing out that since indie has become mainstream, any other form of guitar music has been effectively blocked out by the masses and the rock genre as a result has been greatly affected to the point that it is looked down upon more than ever. In addition to that, EDM and R&B has grown tremendously over the past couple of years. Clubs only accept "rock acts" if they sound like Arctic Monkeys but anything louder is intolerable. I mean, where's the fun in that? I feel sad for actual indie music and I actually like Arctic Monkeys. Yes, when punk became "mainstream" back in 1994 the exact same thing happened. Punk had to sound "cool" to the masses and if it wasn't "cool" to them it wasn't 'punk'. The mainstream is selective and will over-simplify any genre it grabs a hold of. Anything that wasn't Green Day wasn't cool. But at least mainstream punk was still loud!

As part of my local indie scene, I can say that the shows aren't exactly lively. They don't share the same youthfully rebellious atmosphere that punk shows do. Yes, the manner in which you express rebellion could be a matter of preference. But most of the people I meet just stand there, talk about musical technicalities, and drink fine wine. When the mainstream begins to call boring acts "rebellious" and "rock" there must be something wrong. Perhaps it's time for another revolution?

[Hermione]

1 hour ago, SmoothedOut said:

Without the Sex Pistols we would not be talking in this forum. Without the punk movement, there would be no Green Day. That's all one needs to look at to know Johnny Rotten's significance in music. And a company can do anything, music is just another platform to communicate and you need stadiums and record contracts for that.

Punk existed before the Sex Pistols, they weren't the first or only punk band. It's true they were an influential part of punk and partially influenced Green Day but both could easily still exist without that one band.  

[moonflower93]

 

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[AlissaGoesRAWR]

2 hours ago, SmoothedOut said:

I don't agree with this. I mean, what's going to happen if we just sit there and do nothing about things that really bother us?

There are plenty of things in the world that bother me more than indie music. Discrimination, poverty, government corruption... yeah, I'd rather speak out about something a little more worthwhile than the current state of the music scene, sorry.

I mean, if you want to, go for it, I'm all for speaking your mind. I just don't think it's necessarily a worthy cause, because inevitably what's mainstream music now will cycle out in a few years and something new will come in, once people are sick of it. As I said before, I have no problem finding bands that I enjoy that aren't popular in the mainstream, or venues nearby me that book bands I enjoy, so what other people enjoy doesn't really impact me and isn't hurting anyone.

[unextraordinarygirl]

12 minutes ago, Demon!Dean said:

 

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OMG HELL NOOO!!!!!!! They should crank it up to 11 and play as fast and hard as they can and blow the f#^&*! speakers out!!! 

[moonflower93]

5 minutes ago, unextraordinarygirl said:

OMG HELL NOOO!!!!!!! They should crank it up to 11 and play as fast and hard as they can and blow the f#^&*! speakers out!!! 

i was only cracking a joke lol but no more trilogy

[SomeNimrod97]

5 minutes ago, unextraordinarygirl said:

OMG HELL NOOO!!!!!!! They should crank it up to 11 and play as fast and hard as they can and blow the f#^&*! speakers out!!! 

Maybe Mike could have even designed and had Fender make another new amp for him that goes up to 12!

[Chin for a Day]

It really bothers me when people say they don't like the music of today.  If they say that, they are not looking hard enough.  As Alissa has said, music cycles out.  The music of the 50's was different than teh 60's, the 60's were different than the 70's, etc.  There is good music and shite music in every decade, it is just that the type of music that is around is be different.  IF you just listen, you will find good music in any decade.

I honestly don't recall any of the GD mentioning the Sex Pistols as an influence.  Just because they were punk doesn't mean they were an influence.  I've always heard Husker Du, The Replacements, The Clash, etc. 

And, John Lydon can hardly be taken seriously.  That butter commercial was so punk.

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

Yeah, the Sex Pistols were basically a manufactured "punk" band, were they not? Yes, very influential after they came to fame, but you can hardly credit them with "creating" the entire genre. That's just absurd. 

[DookieLukie]

1 hour ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said:

Yeah, the Sex Pistols were basically a manufactured "punk" band, were they not? Yes, very influential after they came to fame, but you can hardly credit them with "creating" the entire genre. That's just absurd. 

Sex Pistols weren't a manufactured band. That's such a load of crap that I really believe has stemmed from peeved off GD fans who hate John Lydon. And why does punk have quotes around it? How are they not punk?

[SmoothedOut]

2 hours ago, AlissaGoesRAWR said:

There are plenty of things in the world that bother me more than indie music. Discrimination, poverty, government corruption... yeah, I'd rather speak out about something a little more worthwhile than the current state of the music scene, sorry.

That is EXACTLY what I am trying to bring forth here. I am coming from a part of the world that is full of these sort of issues and was looking to see if music can still be a tool for social change, for awakening people. I can attest to a society that is so gullible and dumb that it not only eats up everything the government gives it but it is too afraid to speak up or talk about its current state. People are way too complacent. The fact that they will not look at any other music than the crap given to them is directly related to this. There is, however, a sort of rising youth culture here that is standing up for the truth through art and indie bands have been greatly associated it.

I put the Pistols in such high regard precisely because of of the characteristics of punk that they have in one way or another contributed to because I see it as missing in the society that I speak of. To further support my argument that they are a MASSIVE influence to Green Day and to stay within the context of this thread, I think Green Day should go ahead and make an amazingly loud album, as should other bands.

[Chin for a Day]

4 minutes ago, DookieLukie said:

Sex Pistols weren't a manufactured band. That's such a load of crap that I really believe has stemmed from peeved off GD fans who hate John Lydon. And why does punk have quotes around it? How are they not punk?

Actually, they were manufactured.  They started out as a band called The Strand.  Their manager was an artist and clothing designer.  He wanted the band to stick out as something different so he kicked out the guy that was the lead singer and searched for someone that fit the style of what he wanted the band to look like.  That is how John Lydon got the got, he had the look the manager wanted.  The bassist quit and Sid Vicious was hired because he was friends with John Lydon and again had "the look".  He didn't even know how to play bass. 
    

[DookieLukie]

6 minutes ago, JJ1964 said:

Actually, they were manufactured.  They started out as a band called The Strand.  Their manager was an artist and clothing designer.  He wanted the band to stick out as something different so he kicked out the guy that was the lead singer and searched for someone that fit the style of what he wanted the band to look like.  That is how John Lydon got the got, he had the look the manager wanted.  The bassist quit and Sid Vicious was hired because he was friends with John Lydon and again had "the look".  He didn't even know how to play bass. 
    

How is that any different than other bands, such as the Beatles? And the bassist was thrown out because his musical interests and image didn't fit the band, but how is that such a bad thing? The dude wanted to make Beatles music and the rest of the band didn't.