okotavio Posted October 11, 2015 Posted October 11, 2015 I've been thinking about this for months. I know that it really doesn't matter if they're relevant to other people because they're one of the most relevant things in my life, but it was really nice to see them at the top. It was like I was at the top with them. Idk. Everyone said pretty much everything, but...Some said about the FFs. Well, I used to be a huge FF fan until the SH bullshit. It's an awful record, and even if you hate all of their records, you gotta admit that right now they do know how to be a commercial rock'n'roll band. Their social media knows. Their marketing knows. Maybe it's attached to DG being what's left from the rock and roll feeling: you see him screaming and running around, even if it means he loses his voice on the first song. He's a symbol to the salvation of the genre and this fits these present-modern times, as Green Day fit 2005 combining punk-pop-rock. That's another thought of mine: I don't see GD's recent work fitting this present time. For instance, I think that QOTSA's ...Like Clockwork is a record that totally does. That's a mature record, while the trilogy sounded a little bit teenagie. FFs came to Brazil this year and played at fucking huge stadiums. 60k people each. Green Day came in 2010 (still with some of the AI success since they didn't come to South America during 04-05) and couldn't sell-out a 20k arena in Sao Paulo. 3 years later GD sold-out Emirates, but London to GD is kind of a specific public. I attended the FFs concert this year in Sao Paulo and among those 60k people I saw a lot of casual rock and roll fans, that probably have AC/DC and Led Zeppelin on their phones. That's a general public today. But even FF had this kinda phase we're talking about: around 2008-2009, with their Greatest Hits release, fans didn't even know if there was ever going to be a new record. (maybe WL was their AI and now they're at their 21CB?) I was watching the One-Nine-Nine-Four documentary recently and (I think) someone said that BJ was their generation's Lennon-McCartney, as in an outstanding composer. So that's my thought: if he finds something that catches his attention and grabs him - like politcs in AI - then they'll work really hard to create a new Green Day era, because BJ has both ability and talent to create those songs. The trilogy just looked to me like let's release some songs and have some fun. Even the tour didn't seem to change: it looked like a 21CB Tour Part II with some new songs. Watching their 2013 concerts made me feel like playing Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 5.About getting old and the fountain of youth, he once said: "I think trying to mentally keep yourself in a place where you still have excitement in your life and you're always in awe, where you're dreaming the next dream, and never resting on your laurels." So, if they wanted to be as relevant as they once were to the general public (kinda where FFs are today, relevant to the general rock and roll public), they would have to find that place. Sadly (to me, because I wanted that) they look happy and satisfied with everything they've done. They settled down.
SomeNimrod97 Posted October 11, 2015 Posted October 11, 2015 If I'm honest, I think they should go down a similar route as Muse and go more mainstream until the rock genre springs back to huge popularity again. I can imagine Billie Joe going with a keyboard and making it sound like his own, especially since he can play piano.
Clayish Posted October 11, 2015 Posted October 11, 2015 Yes, and if the band accepts this, they could put out some of their best material.
MikeDirntConfused Posted October 11, 2015 Author Posted October 11, 2015 I've been thinking about this for months. I know that it really doesn't matter if they're relevant to other people because they're one of the most relevant things in my life, but it was really nice to see them at the top. It was like I was at the top with them. Idk. Everyone said pretty much everything, but...Some said about the FFs. Well, I used to be a huge FF fan until the SH bullshit. It's an awful record, and even if you hate all of their records, you gotta admit that right now they do know how to be a commercial rock'n'roll band. Their social media knows. Their marketing knows. Maybe it's attached to DG being what's left from the rock and roll feeling: you see him screaming and running around, even if it means he loses his voice on the first song. He's a symbol to the salvation of the genre and this fits these present-modern times, as Green Day fit 2005 combining punk-pop-rock. That's another thought of mine: I don't see GD's recent work fitting this present time. For instance, I think that QOTSA's ...Like Clockwork is a record that totally does. That's a mature record, while the trilogy sounded a little bit teenagie. FFs came to Brazil this year and played at fucking huge stadiums. 60k people each. Green Day came in 2010 (still with some of the AI success since they didn't come to South America during 04-05) and couldn't sell-out a 20k arena in Sao Paulo. 3 years later GD sold-out Emirates, but London to GD is kind of a specific public. I attended the FFs concert this year in Sao Paulo and among those 60k people I saw a lot of casual rock and roll fans, that probably have AC/DC and Led Zeppelin on their phones. That's a general public today. But even FF had this kinda phase we're talking about: around 2008-2009, with their Greatest Hits release, fans didn't even know if there was ever going to be a new record. (maybe WL was their AI and now they're at their 21CB?) I was watching the One-Nine-Nine-Four documentary recently and (I think) someone said that BJ was their generation's Lennon-McCartney, as in an outstanding composer. So that's my thought: if he finds something that catches his attention and grabs him - like politcs in AI - then they'll work really hard to create a new Green Day era, because BJ has both ability and talent to create those songs. The trilogy just looked to me like let's release some songs and have some fun. Even the tour didn't seem to change: it looked like a 21CB Tour Part II with some new songs. Watching their 2013 concerts made me feel like playing Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 5.About getting old and the fountain of youth, he once said: "I think trying to mentally keep yourself in a place where you still have excitement in your life and you're always in awe, where you're dreaming the next dream, and never resting on your laurels." So, if they wanted to be as relevant as they once were to the general public (kinda where FFs are today, relevant to the general rock and roll public), they would have to find that place. Sadly (to me, because I wanted that) they look happy and satisfied with everything they've done. They settled down. My thoughts exactly. While Green Day is relevant to me, I would still like to see the band at the top again. I remember being a teenager in 2005-2006 era, and seeing and hearing Green Day everywhere. It seemed like every corner of the world knew who they were at that time.
BilIie Joe Armstrong Posted October 12, 2015 Posted October 12, 2015 If I'm honest, I think they should go down a similar route as Muse and go more mainstream until the rock genre springs back to huge popularity again. I can imagine Billie Joe going with a keyboard and making it sound like his own, especially since he can play piano.You made me think of this guy
sara_gd Posted October 12, 2015 Posted October 12, 2015 If I'm honest, I think they should go down a similar route as Muse and go more mainstream until the rock genre springs back to huge popularity again. I can imagine Billie Joe going with a keyboard and making it sound like his own, especially since he can play piano.I can't see Green Day becoming a keyboard based band at all... Also Muse isn't less rock now than it used to be, they always had both rock and experimental music and they still do.
maurokanvaz Posted October 12, 2015 Posted October 12, 2015 As long as they keep milking American Idiot they will never be irrelevant.I do wonder what the future has in store for the group. Kinda feel like this next album has to sort of put them "back on the map" so to speak. I think about a band like R.E.M. that faded into horrible obscurity in their 40s, but then put out two really great albums to sort of close their career on a high note.I think the music industry in America is a joke nowadays. Bands like Green Day aren't appreciated. I have Sirius Radio and Alt Nation will just play the same six or seven hot bands (Coin, Vinyl Theatre, Joywave, Saint Motel, Vance Joy, etc) on a constant loop. Newer, genuine rock music is overlooked. Muse's new album, while not the most radio-friendly, didn't get much airplay. Groups like The Gaslight Anthem, The Airborne Toxic Event...I'll never understand how those bands aren't more relevant. Shit, Weezer's last record was brilliant and didn't get the attention it deserved.I guess my point is that radio will play whatever songs a few "experts" deem radio friendly and play those constantly. They just play these fucking awful bands that don't even play instruments or do shit with their music. It's all very frustrating.Weezer's last record saved my life
JOE THE X-KID Posted October 12, 2015 Posted October 12, 2015 Are they irrelevant? probably. Will i stop listening to them? Nah.
JardyOfSuburbia Posted October 12, 2015 Posted October 12, 2015 Weezer's last record saved my lifeDid it? It came along at a rough patch in my life and it was very therapeutic to me.
unextraordinarygirl Posted October 12, 2015 Posted October 12, 2015 I can't see Green Day becoming a keyboard based band at all... Also Muse isn't less rock now than it used to be, they always had both rock and experimental music and they still do. NO!!!! That would be horrible if they became a keyboard band and Billie gave up guitar!!
sara_gd Posted October 12, 2015 Posted October 12, 2015 NO!!!! That would be horrible if they became a keyboard band and Billie gave up guitar!! Lately I'm having a bad time on GDC trying to figure out if someone is being sarcastic or not...... Anyway... what I meant is I really don't see them doing it, I don't think they're interested in doing something like that. Of course I could be wrong, take as an example them saying they didn't want to make a play/movie out of American Idiot years ago, but I don't think it would suit their way of seeing their own music.
unextraordinarygirl Posted October 12, 2015 Posted October 12, 2015 Lately I'm having a bad time on GDC trying to figure out if someone is being sarcastic or not...... Anyway... what I meant is I really don't see them doing it, I don't think they're interested in doing something like that. Of course I could be wrong, take as an example them saying they didn't want to make a play/movie out of American Idiot years ago, but I don't think it would suit their way of seeing their own music. I'm not sure if the original poster was being serious or sarcastic either. My post was actually aimed at them. All I can think of when I think of a keyboard band is Europe and their song "Final Countdown". I can't imagine Billie playing a keytar instead of a guitar. But you're right, they never thought AI would be a musical on Broadway either.
SomeNimrod97 Posted October 12, 2015 Posted October 12, 2015 I'm not sure if the original poster was being serious or sarcastic either. My post was actually aimed at them. All I can think of when I think of a keyboard band is Europe and their song "Final Countdown". I can't imagine Billie playing a keytar instead of a guitar. But you're right, they never though AI would be a musical on Broadway either. I'm not suggesting that Billie would put down the Les Paul for a Roland keytar, I'm implying that they could try a fusion of old Green Day with keyboards and sounding like an alternative rock band. It wouldn't be difficult to do and it could add more flavour to an already great genre. Change isn't always good but synths and guitars have shared a stage before and if they played and songs of the sort live, they could have Jason F on the keyboard as usual and Billie keeps his guitar.
Hermione Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 Did somebody say keytar?They're definitely capable of incorporating keyboards/synths
SomeNimrod97 Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 Did somebody say keytar?They're definitely capable of incorporating keyboards/synths I actually forgot about The Network. I would like to hear more of a sound like Green Day:Reinvented and not just sound like The Network.
That Dude Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 the best way to answer is what Ceadog said really. Right now the biggest band keeping up in the mainstream with rock in my opinion is Foo Fighters. Their Sonic Highways album hit #2 (dammit taylor swift) and they've been selling out arenas like crazy and I really hope rock will find it's way into making a huge comeback soon.I keep hearing this over and over from all directions and I don't entirely disagree. Dave Grohl have accomplished a lot over the years. Nirvana changed music forever and Foo Fighters have a good shot of at least keeping real rock alive for a bit longer. I'll never forget when I learned that Dave in Nirvana and Dave in the Foo were one and the same, haha! Foo Fighters do seem to be the only rock band out the putting out good music and actually getting the recognition these days. Back I digress. Is Green Day closely connected or repellent to the matter at hand? It just depends on what the qualifications are. Does selling more albums make your more or less relevant? Does society as a whole's attitude toward your genre change this? Bands will lose popularity as the years go by but just about any band will have their loyal fans that stick by them to the end, I know Green Day has some insanely loyal fans. I think to those of us who are true fans of the band, they will always be rellevant. To the music snob or popular kids who only like whatever hot new dub-step-rapper-bubblegum stripper is hot this Friday, no. Green Day isn't relevant to them. But neither is the slutty Justin Gaga hit from last week.....in short. Yes. Green Day is relevant. (one more thing: I keep hearing Give Me Novacaine on the radio now (98.5 in Greenville SC) What's up with that? Is it a super late single from American Idiot?????)
unextraordinarygirl Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 Did somebody say keytar?They're definitely capable of incorporating keyboards/synths Haha I take back what I said.That's Billie playing it too.
WhiteTim Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 I keep hearing this over and over from all directions and I don't entirely disagree. Dave Grohl have accomplished a lot over the years. Nirvana changed music forever and Foo Fighters have a good shot of at least keeping real rock alive for a bit longer. I'll never forget when I learned that Dave in Nirvana and Dave in the Foo were one and the same, haha! Foo Fighters do seem to be the only rock band out the putting out good music and actually getting the recognition these days. Back I digress. Is Green Day closely connected or repellent to the matter at hand? It just depends on what the qualifications are. Does selling more albums make your more or less relevant? Does society as a whole's attitude toward your genre change this? Bands will lose popularity as the years go by but just about any band will have their loyal fans that stick by them to the end, I know Green Day has some insanely loyal fans. I think to those of us who are true fans of the band, they will always be rellevant. To the music snob or popular kids who only like whatever hot new dub-step-rapper-bubblegum stripper is hot this Friday, no. Green Day isn't relevant to them. But neither is the slutty Justin Gaga hit from last week.....in short. Yes. Green Day is relevant. (one more thing: I keep hearing Give Me Novacaine on the radio now (98.5 in Greenville SC) What's up with that? Is it a super late single from American Idiot?????) Dave in Nirvana and Dave in Foo are the same? How so? When Dave did interviews with Kurt he'd insult metal and arena rock music and what is Foo? Arena rock and Dave has done a metal side band with probot
MikeDirntConfused Posted October 15, 2015 Author Posted October 15, 2015 Thanks for the replies, guys! I keep noticing members saying that it doesn't matter if Green Day is irrelevant - it's still relevant to them ( I wasn't talking about personally, but the general consensus). How is it that bands such as Fall Out Boy and Foo Fighters still get mentioned in conversations, and are deemed relevant to the general population, but Green Day is "so long ago"?
jengd Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 Thanks for the replies, guys! I keep noticing members saying that it doesn't matter if Green Day is irrelevant - it's still relevant to them ( I wasn't talking about personally, but the general consensus). How is it that bands such as Fall Out Boy and Foo Fighters still get mentioned in conversations, and are deemed relevant to the general population, but Green Day is "so long ago"? Ah, now that's easy, that's down to short attention spans and even shorter memories, due to the trilogy not doing well and it now being 6 years since they had a radio hit! Funnily enough though, I think KYE is one of their weaker tracks, yet one of their biggest hits - I think anyway!
BilIie Joe Armstrong Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 Thanks for the replies, guys! I keep noticing members saying that it doesn't matter if Green Day is irrelevant - it's still relevant to them ( I wasn't talking about personally, but the general consensus). How is it that bands such as Fall Out Boy and Foo Fighters still get mentioned in conversations, and are deemed relevant to the general population, but Green Day is "so long ago"? Because they didn't bury themselves the way Green Day did. When the last mildly interesting thing the band did was that the lead singer got smashed at a live streamed event, you can't expect much.
Chin for a Day Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 I am still shocked that people think the Foo Fighters are so much more relevent. They may be touring right now, but they have not had a hit record in 4 years. Plus, all the teens I know despise them. If my girls have friends over and the Foo Fighters come on the radio, they will make me change the station. However, they will listen to Green Day, The Strokes, Sublime, etc. All the bands I like. I do like some Foo Fighter songs, but they just can't stand them.
GuitarPunk94 Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 humanity is broken .. simple as that .. sadly
Mykee Mexx Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 Why is the question even relevant...? Everything has it´s time, Green Day had their´s. They had a good time, but someday the capability of bringing new stuff to the music diminishes. A new generation has to follow, it´s just natural. Green Day did a great job in their time, and now they are still a good entertaining band. If they surprise me with another smashing album - great. If not - okay. I think they are a band of great merit, and now they can do just music without the urge to be relevant to whom ever.
Christian's Inferno! Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 Thanks for the replies, guys! I keep noticing members saying that it doesn't matter if Green Day is irrelevant - it's still relevant to them ( I wasn't talking about personally, but the general consensus). How is it that bands such as Fall Out Boy and Foo Fighters still get mentioned in conversations, and are deemed relevant to the general population, but Green Day is "so long ago"? The fact that 5-10 years is considered "so long ago" is stupid. The trilogy wasn't very successful but 21CB did quite well and that was only 6 years ago, not very long
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