AlissaGoesRAWR Posted June 17, 2015 Posted June 17, 2015 I hate to type this, but I have to disagree with most people on this thread. I really see nothing wrong with people who pay more money for their ticket getting closer to the stage. It is really no different from the way any other show is run. If you go to see a play, Orchestra seats cost more than the other seats because they are closer to the stage. If you go to a show that is not General Admission, the seats closer to the stage will cost more. It is just the way shows are, if you want better seats, you need to pay more money for them. It is the same in almost all types of seating situations. If you want to fly first class or business class, it costs more. If you want reserved seating on a train, it costs more. I don't see how it gives a bad message to the fans. I know it truly sucks to stand in line all day and then people who paid more move in front, I've been there done that, but it is just the way it is. I've spent way too much time watching the screen because I could see it better than the artist, I've spent way too much time in the last row at a broadway show, it is just the way it is. I can't afford $250 a ticket for a broadway show and I can't afford $300 to get special seating at festival. I don't hold it against the people that can afford it, and for those of you that can afford it, can we be friends? I just think a live, outdoor concert that offers nothing but general admission tickets is definitely different than going to a musical or an orchestra performance. It's a different crowd and a different vibe, and everything is typically equal, so those who work hard earn the spots up front. If a place has nothing but seats (like how some shows turn the floor into seating), I have no problem with venues charging more for a seat, because you're guaranteed a spot. But to me, it just makes no sense to charge for spots in a pit, when people can shove around, ebb and flow, etc. I guess that's why they're barricading certain areas off, which poses the risk of being extremely awkward and unorganized if the festival doesn't have a good turnout. It's obviously all motivated by money, but I just can't believe it's worth it. It's only just recently, to my knowledge, that places have become obsessed with this "rich people get special treatment" mentality. I remember when I went to Disney World with my family in 2000, they had these special "pass the line" passes that my parents bought because they were afraid that if they didn't buy them, and all the other families did, then my sister and I might not get to ride all the rides we wanted to, and we likely were never going to have the money to go back there someday. I know they couldn't afford it, but they did it anyway because the amusement park played off of their fear. Now Cedar Point has implemented the same passes in the last few years, and as a lifetime season pass holder, it's so fucking annoying to have to wait in line for all the tourists with their "pass the line" vouchers who are cutting in front of me. This mentality of "I MUST BE FIRST AND I WILL PAY ANYTHING TO BE FIRST" is just so fucking shitty. Now all the music venues do it too. Ugh. Just wait your turn like everyone else?
Guest Posted June 17, 2015 Posted June 17, 2015 No not really with as much money as being spent to put this show on if they only sold passes for 69 dollars they'd make ZERO profit and would be in the hole Pencil me in as one who'll be surprised if this festival turns a profit at all.
DarcyJ76 Posted June 17, 2015 Posted June 17, 2015 I have always been the "camp out"/wait in line/stay at a stage door till 3am kind of person and I have never earned anything - I get shoved to the back by less polite people (not rich, just impolite), I don't get to meet the person because the triage of boobs next to me overwhelmed the artist, or I was too polite and waited in line and they left before I got to the front - I am constantly overlooked in every single situation ever. I can guarantee that even though I paid out the $300, you guys will be hanging with the band, getting pulled onstage for Longview, and taking selfies with Billie Joe, and I will be standing in the back completely clueless and unable to see. I have done a lot to earn my keep in terms of theater and concerts, and I have never once had an extraordinary experience, other than seeing the show (or getting shoved out of the way and looking at someone's back for the duration of the show). I don't mean to sound pathetic, but I am excessively polite, and I think there are a lot of reasons people don't get the experience they want, and it's not necessarily because a different tier of tickets are sold or because one person worked harder to get it than another. I agree with Alissa that it probably won't make a difference which ticket you have - I will most likely be standing behind a tall person who is really loud and bumps into me a lot who paid $70 for their ticket, and I'll be able to look at my $300 ticket and say "at least I can hear them". Also, I know none of this is personal against anyone who bought the Ignited tickets, so I don't want to sound defensive, I really do understand. I really just wanted that ticket for safety, I don't want to be danced on and jumped on, so as long as I can use the air conditioned lounge, and as long as I can find a spot where I am not going to pass out from anxiety, I'd gladly give someone the use of wherever my Ignited pass leads. I just like to stand where I can see really well, but have room to rock back and forth like Rain Man ;-) Sometimes that can be mistaken for dancing, but if you look at me long enough, you see that I have no rhythm and really I'm just rocking. I couldn't rock at the HOB concert because even though I wasn't in the pit, it was still packed, and then someone stood on my hoodie, which is basically my security blanket, and it got soaked in beer, so that was bad. But the concert was awesome, so I just took Klonopin and got over it. Mostly. I think it actually all boils down to the Cool Kids and the Not Cool Kids. Cool Kids get to meet people and see stuff and sing Longview, and Not Cool Kids pay lots of money but don't get that.
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted June 17, 2015 Posted June 17, 2015 I have always been the "camp out"/wait in line/stay at a stage door till 3am kind of person and I have never earned anything - I get shoved to the back by less polite people (not rich, just impolite), I don't get to meet the person because the triage of boobs next to me overwhelmed the artist, or I was too polite and waited in line and they left before I got to the front - I am constantly overlooked in every single situation ever. I can guarantee that even though I paid out the $300, you guys will be hanging with the band, getting pulled onstage for Longview, and taking selfies with Billie Joe, and I will be standing in the back completely clueless and unable to see. I have done a lot to earn my keep in terms of theater and concerts, and I have never once had an extraordinary experience, other than seeing the show (or getting shoved out of the way and looking at someone's back for the duration of the show). I don't mean to sound pathetic, but I am excessively polite, and I think there are a lot of reasons people don't get the experience they want, and it's not necessarily because a different tier of tickets are sold or because one person worked harder to get it than another. I agree with Alissa that it probably won't make a difference which ticket you have - I will most likely be standing behind a tall person who is really loud and bumps into me a lot who paid $70 for their ticket, and I'll be able to look at my $300 ticket and say "at least I can hear them". Also, I know none of this is personal against anyone who bought the Ignited tickets, so I don't want to sound defensive, I really do understand. I really just wanted that ticket for safety, I don't want to be danced on and jumped on, so as long as I can use the air conditioned lounge, and as long as I can find a spot where I am not going to pass out from anxiety, I'd gladly give someone the use of wherever my Ignited pass leads. I just like to stand where I can see really well, but have room to rock back and forth like Rain Man ;-) Sometimes that can be mistaken for dancing, but if you look at me long enough, you see that I have no rhythm and really I'm just rocking. I couldn't rock at the HOB concert because even though I wasn't in the pit, it was still packed, and then someone stood on my hoodie, which is basically my security blanket, and it got soaked in beer, so that was bad. But the concert was awesome, so I just took Klonopin and got over it. Mostly. I think it actually all boils down to the Cool Kids and the Not Cool Kids. Cool Kids get to meet people and see stuff and sing Longview, and Not Cool Kids pay lots of money but don't get that. Being "cool" is kind of a subjective idea though, isn't it? The guy who got to sing Longview at House of Blues was hardly cool in the conventional way. I think when Billie Joe pulled him on stage and he started doing his "thang," he may have regretted his decision. The dude was acting crazy, and was dressed up as the Joker, and climbed on top of people to get noticed. Additionally, almost anyone who got a selfie with Billie Joe in Cleveland literally stalked him outside of his hotel, the practice venue, etc. To me, that isn't cool either. Well, except for my picture with him at the barrier, but that was just dumb luck — honestly! I think 99 percent of getting a picture with the band (without stalking them) is just timing. If you go to a show with the goal of meeting them, odds are you probably are just setting yourself up to be disappointed. Honestly, you don't have to beat yourself up about getting the "ignited" ticket, because I guess I don't know what it's like to have extreme anxiety over concert-related scenarios. I absolutely love pits, and even though House of Blues was rough, I still survived. I feel like since I survived that, I can survive anything. As we said before (and I think you know), no one is faulting you for buying the ignited ticket, we're just talking about the concept as a whole. Some of us even said if we had the money to do so, we probably would've bought them.
DarcyJ76 Posted June 17, 2015 Posted June 17, 2015 Being "cool" is kind of a subjective idea though, isn't it? The guy who got to sing Longview at House of Blues was hardly cool in the conventional way. I think when Billie Joe pulled him on stage and he started doing his "thang," he may have regretted his decision. The dude was acting crazy, and was dressed up as the Joker, and climbed on top of people to get noticed. Hehe - this was funny. "I regret this decision" as Joker Kid does his "thang". It should have been a thought bubble above Billie Joe's head.
WhiteTim Posted June 17, 2015 Posted June 17, 2015 I'm gonna book a Green Day show advertise it but not let anyone buy tickets or be allowed in No I'll tell people to line up and only let in 2 people who were last in line instead of those waiting a day in line Yep that's what I'll do Oh and I'll have a live stream going but I'll have the audio turned off
Khaleesi. Posted June 17, 2015 Posted June 17, 2015 I'm gonna book a Green Day show advertise it but not let anyone buy tickets or be allowed in No I'll tell people to line up and only let in 2 people who were last in line instead of those waiting a day in line Yep that's what I'll do Oh and I'll have a live stream going but I'll have the audio turned off book it for hannahdog's wedding tbh
Chin for a Day Posted June 17, 2015 Posted June 17, 2015 I just think a live, outdoor concert that offers nothing but general admission tickets is definitely different than going to a musical or an orchestra performance. It's a different crowd and a different vibe, and everything is typically equal, so those who work hard earn the spots up front. If a place has nothing but seats (like how some shows turn the floor into seating), I have no problem with venues charging more for a seat, because you're guaranteed a spot. But to me, it just makes no sense to charge for spots in a pit, when people can shove around, ebb and flow, etc. I guess that's why they're barricading certain areas off, which poses the risk of being extremely awkward and unorganized if the festival doesn't have a good turnout. It's obviously all motivated by money, but I just can't believe it's worth it. It's only just recently, to my knowledge, that places have become obsessed with this "rich people get special treatment" mentality. I remember when I went to Disney World with my family in 2000, they had these special "pass the line" passes that my parents bought because they were afraid that if they didn't buy them, and all the other families did, then my sister and I might not get to ride all the rides we wanted to, and we likely were never going to have the money to go back there someday. I know they couldn't afford it, but they did it anyway because the amusement park played off of their fear. Now Cedar Point has implemented the same passes in the last few years, and as a lifetime season pass holder, it's so fucking annoying to have to wait in line for all the tourists with their "pass the line" vouchers who are cutting in front of me. This mentality of "I MUST BE FIRST AND I WILL PAY ANYTHING TO BE FIRST" is just so fucking shitty. Now all the music venues do it too. Ugh. Just wait your turn like everyone else? I love you dear but the "I must be first and I will pay anything to be first" attitude has existed for thousands of years. It has gotten much more prevalent in every day society lately with the pay to ride the rides first kind of stuff, but it always existed in many different forms. Amusement parks, festivals, concerts, broadway shows, etc are all motivated by money and they are going to continue to find ways to make more and more. Whether the way this festival is running the tickets is worth it is something that we won't know until the festival is done. However, they have been up front with the type of tickets available. You can argue that offering these type of tickets is unfair, but it really isn't because everyone has the opportunity to purchase them. I also have to agree with Ben, I don't think there is any way this festival will turn a profit, it has been run half assed from moment one. Plus, the headliners are a country star, a punk band and band no one gives a shit about.
Guest Posted June 17, 2015 Posted June 17, 2015 I'm gonna book a Green Day show advertise it but not let anyone buy tickets or be allowed in No I'll tell people to line up and only let in 2 people who were last in line instead of those waiting a day in line Yep that's what I'll do Oh and I'll have a live stream going but I'll have the audio turned off I don't have $500 to spend on a VIP pass, but since I'm ~influential, can you please let me in before those two commonfolk anyway?
Chin for a Day Posted June 17, 2015 Posted June 17, 2015 I think it actually all boils down to the Cool Kids and the Not Cool Kids. Cool Kids get to meet people and see stuff and sing Longview, and Not Cool Kids pay lots of money but don't get that. I'm a cool kid and I've never met anyone in the band and I've only seen them in concert once. Just kidding, I am hardly cool. Please don't think that it is a cool kid, not cool kid kind of thing because as Alissa said, the "cool kids" is a subjective term. Billie is the biggest dork on the planet and we all love him.
sara_gd Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 I'm reading that some of you said that weather is really hot in Kentcky in August, but I've looked at the historic weather for that date and it's only 23 (min) to 33 (max) centigrades...? Am I missing some humidity factor or anything like that? Or is it that you guys are from the very north of the country?
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 You can argue that offering these type of tickets is unfair, but it really isn't because everyone has the opportunity to purchase them.I think our point is everyone doesn't actually have the opportunity to purchase them though, because low-income people do not. It's the facade of the capitalist attitude of "just pull yourself up by your bootstraps!" that's annoying. No matter how hard some people work, they're still going to be poor based on their background. I'm reading that some of you said that weather is really hot in Kentcky in August, but I've looked at the historic weather for that date and it's only 23 (min) to 33 (max) centigrades...? Am I missing some humidity factor or anything like that? Or is it that you guys are from the very north of the country? I think people are mostly worried about humidity. With humidity in the 70-80 percent range at times, 90 degrees F feels well over 100 degrees F. We rarely have a dry heat in Ohio, so I'm assuming Kentucky isn't too different.
Guest Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 I'm reading that some of you said that weather is really hot in Kentcky in August, but I've looked at the historic weather for that date and it's only 23 (min) to 33 (max) centigrades...? Am I missing some humidity factor or anything like that? Or is it that you guys are from the very north of the country? Yeah, there's a massive humidity factor at play. It gets so humid it literally feels like a very hot, very wet blanket has been thrown over you as soon as you step outdoors
Chin for a Day Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 I think our point is everyone doesn't actually have the opportunity to purchase them though, because low-income people do not. It's the facade of the capitalist attitude of "just pull yourself up by your bootstraps!" that's annoying. No matter how hard some people work, they're still going to be poor based on their background. But everyone has the opportunity to purchase them, not everyone can afford them. That is two very different things. This is no different than any other type of purchases. Should Porsche not make cars because not everyone can afford them? Should Nordstrom's not sell clothes for the same reason? Everyone can buy these things if they choose too, and if they can afford them.
Guest Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 From the NiFi Fest Facebook page, in response to a question about noise curfews the staff said: "There is no noise curfew at the Speedway, so with Green Day, anything can happen." !!!!!!!!!!
Laura! Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 From the NiFi Fest Facebook page, in response to a question about noise curfews the staff said: "There is no noise curfew at the Speedway, so with Green Day, anything can happen." !!!!!!!!!! I bet they'll still quit at 11-1130.
Laura! Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 sellouts That'll be after yelling "we're gonna play ALL. NIGHT. LOOONG!!!!"
Chin for a Day Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 I think its pretty interesting that someone would ask if there is a noise restriction at the Kentucky Speedway. Do they really think Green Day is louder than a Nascar race?
Guest Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 I think its pretty interesting that someone would ask if there is a noise restriction at the Kentucky Speedway. Do they really think Green Day is louder than a Nascar race? Most concert venues have a curfew! And, I daresay the average Green Day fan isn't really aware of what Nascar races are like
alienlifeform Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 I think its pretty interesting that someone would ask if there is a noise restriction at the Kentucky Speedway. Do they really think Green Day is louder than a Nascar race? well, Nascar races doesn't happen at night
Chin for a Day Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 Most concert venues have a curfew! And, I daresay the average Green Day fan isn't really aware of what Nascar races are like Well, I've actually never been to a Nascar race, so I hope that makes me at least an average Green Day fan. OK, the geek in me looked in up. The average rock concert is 120 dB, the average Nascar race is 135 dB. Anyone near the speedway will probably welcome the quiet.
lizziebix Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 well, Nascar races doesn't happen at night Not true. In fact the Kentucky Speedway has a night race coming up in July.
Guest Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 if we're able to hear KOL from our cabins I will be very angry.
sara_gd Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 I think people are mostly worried about humidity. With humidity in the 70-80 percent range at times, 90 degrees F feels well over 100 degrees F. We rarely have a dry heat in Ohio, so I'm assuming Kentucky isn't too different. Yeah, there's a massive humidity factor at play. It gets so humid it literally feels like a very hot, very wet blanket has been thrown over you as soon as you step outdoors Oh I see, thank you. It could be up to 38 centigrades then... that is hot. This festival has so many negative points... every time I think about going I find out something negative about it
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