WhiteTim Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 Oh I'm sorry, I should have rephrased that. There's no autotune, but there is pitch correction. Some of the fangirling on here is beyond belief, to the point where they actually convince themselves that Billie Joe has been a good singer since 2012 onward. Thank you Spike. You, like me, are one of the few fans on here that actually look at the reality of things rather than getting all defensive at the slightest of justified criticism. Wake up people. His singing has been poor since 2012. He needs to rectify it. Care to point out which songs?
Hermione Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 Oh I'm sorry, I should have rephrased that. There's no autotune, but there is pitch correction. Some of the fangirling on here is beyond belief, to the point where they actually convince themselves that Billie Joe has been a good singer since 2012 onward.Thank you Spike. You, like me, are one of the few fans on here that actually look at the reality of things rather than getting all defensive at the slightest of justified criticism. Wake up people. His singing has been poor since 2012. He needs to rectify it.Or maybe others on here just disagree about the reality of things?Literally no one on here who went to/watched footage of pre-rehab GD concerts in 2012 complained about the quality of Billie's singing, it's only since he went to rehab that people suddenly had something to notice and criticize about his performances, "oh yeah you could tell something was wrong" etc, but of course they didn't mention it at the time. And don't forget he was reportedly going through some of his worst substance abuse when he was guest starring in the American Idiot musical, when everyone was saying his singing was amazing and better than ever. I don't buy that he's ruined his voice by drinking or whatever, he's drunk heavily during many of their other eras/tours. It's just easy to look out for and imagine differences since the rehab thing happened.The only evidence I've seen of worse singing was his voice being slightly tired/rough at Reading festival. But you can find the occasional show where his voice was more tired than usual from any tour, that happens sometimes. At the vast majority of shows, including the Brixton show a few days before Reading that I attended, it sounded great to me. I think maybe the lack of professional quality live recordings from this tour doesn't help, bit unfortunate that Reading is one of the few.
UNICORN VOMIT Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 Oh I'm sorry, I should have rephrased that. There's no autotune, but there is pitch correction. Some of the fangirling on here is beyond belief. You should pop into the fangirl thread & see how the professionals do it
Mykee Mexx Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 Or maybe others on here just disagree about the reality of things? Literally no one on here who went to/watched footage of pre-rehab GD concerts in 2012 complained about the quality of Billie's singing, it's only since he went to rehab that people suddenly had something to notice and criticize about his performances, "oh yeah you could tell something was wrong" etc, but of course they didn't mention it at the time. And don't forget he was reportedly going through some of his worst substance abuse when he was guest starring in the American Idiot musical, when everyone was saying his singing was amazing and better than ever. I don't buy that he's ruined his voice by drinking or whatever, he's drunk heavily during many of their other eras/tours. It's just easy to look out for and imagine differences since the rehab thing happened. The only evidence I've seen of worse singing was his voice being slightly tired/rough at Reading festival. But you can find the occasional show where his voice was more tired than usual from any tour, that happens sometimes. At the vast majority of shows, including the Brixton show a few days before Reading that I attended, it sounded great to me. I think maybe the lack of professional quality live recordings from this tour doesn't help, bit unfortunate that Reading is one of the few. I wanna marry you, Hermione...
Mykee Mexx Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 BJ may not be the most talented singer in this whole wide world (I know some singers, who´s singing voices indeed sound more interesting to me or have a wider range), but he´s got the voice that suits GD and their songs perfectly imho. I love his vocal colours, and the dramatic moments when his voice cracks sometimes, the roughness and the softness as well. What I find that his earlier recordings sound pretty nasally, this changed with AI, as far as I remember. So I´m fine with his later voice, and up to now don´t have anything to complain about. Unless he´s totally out of order...
Hermione Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 I accept And yeah I mean it's not like his voice has ever been "perfect", even at its strongest it still has its imperfections and there's many, many more technically accomplished singers out there. But being technically accomplished isn't and never has been the only good thing about his voice, it has an individual, imperfect character that makes it great and like you say it suits Green Day. Might sound better or worse at times but to a point as long as that character's there it doesn't matter so much, it's not like I'm going to see a classically trained note perfect opera singer.
Billie Hoe Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 Or learn to play his fucking guitar and whip out some solos You know what? That's not even criticizing anymore, that's just downright disrespectful. Who exactly are you to tell him that he needs to learn how to play his instrument properly, just because you're unhappy with the way he does it? You're not his manager, not his friend, not his bandmate, not his producer, you're a fan and while you are allowed to criticize him or the band, you can't impose angry requirements on him. Seriously, I'm all for being critical - you don't have to like or approve of everything he does, but only as long as you do it in a rational and respectful manner. The way some people talk in this thread makes me wonder why they even listen to their music or go to their concerts (or are in a Green Day forum) if all they can do is complain about how bad Billie is fucking everything up. We all know Billie is not perfect and not the best singer on the planet, and he doesn't have to be. Because that would be fucking boring. Some people think the quality of his voice or something is getting worse, and that's okay, but you can't force your point of view on others who don't think the way you do and once they don't want to agree with you, look down on them because they're just "fangirls" and are "blinded by his hotness and can't see the truth" or something. Long story short: Criticize him if you want but show some damned respect.
LostHighway Posted March 29, 2015 Author Posted March 29, 2015 You know what? That's not even criticizing anymore, that's just downright disrespectful. Who exactly are you to tell him that he needs to learn how to play his instrument properly, just because you're unhappy with the way he does it? You're not his manager, not his friend, not his bandmate, not his producer, you're a fan and while you are allowed to criticize him or the band, you can't impose angry requirements on him. Seriously, I'm all for being critical - you don't have to like or approve of everything he does, but only as long as you do it in a rational and respectful manner. The way some people talk in this thread makes me wonder why they even listen to their music or go to their concerts (or are in a Green Day forum) if all they can do is complain about how bad Billie is fucking everything up. We all know Billie is not perfect and not the best singer on the planet, and he doesn't have to be. Because that would be fucking boring. Some people think the quality of his voice or something is getting worse, and that's okay, but you can't force your point of view on others who don't think the way you do and once they don't want to agree with you, look down on them because they're just "fangirls" and are "blinded by his hotness and can't see the truth" or something. Long story short: Criticize him if you want but show some damned respect. All the person said was that he needed to learn to play his guitar in a manner that showed some level of skill and competence. Sure, the wording was poor and all but there was nothing personal said about Armstrong, simply that he needs to learn to play his guitar properly. Add learn to sing to that. Stop being so sensitive and learn to accept that other people have different opinions than you. Or maybe others on here just disagree about the reality of things? Literally no one on here who went to/watched footage of pre-rehab GD concerts in 2012 complained about the quality of Billie's singing, it's only since he went to rehab that people suddenly had something to notice and criticize about his performances, "oh yeah you could tell something was wrong" etc, but of course they didn't mention it at the time. And don't forget he was reportedly going through some of his worst substance abuse when he was guest starring in the American Idiot musical, when everyone was saying his singing was amazing and better than ever. I don't buy that he's ruined his voice by drinking or whatever, he's drunk heavily during many of their other eras/tours. It's just easy to look out for and imagine differences since the rehab thing happened. The only evidence I've seen of worse singing was his voice being slightly tired/rough at Reading festival. But you can find the occasional show where his voice was more tired than usual from any tour, that happens sometimes. At the vast majority of shows, including the Brixton show a few days before Reading that I attended, it sounded great to me. I think maybe the lack of professional quality live recordings from this tour doesn't help, bit unfortunate that Reading is one of the few. Slightly tired? He sounded shit. His backup singers were overpowering him. They should stick to the autotune used in the Awesome as Fuck concert. Even though it is dishonest, at least they sound awesome.
Billie Hoe Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 All the person said was that he needed to learn to play his guitar in a manner that showed some level of skill and competence. Sure, the wording was poor and all but there was nothing personal said about Armstrong, simply that he needs to learn to play his guitar properly. Add learn to sing to that. Stop being so sensitive and learn to accept that other people have different opinions than you. I accept the opinion of others, like I said in my post, but some people need to learn to show respect.
LostHighway Posted March 29, 2015 Author Posted March 29, 2015 I accept the opinion of others, like I said in my post, but some people need to learn to show respect. No disrespectful comments were passed. They simply said he needs to learn to play guitar, albeit in a highly unsophisticated manner. and that's okay, but you can't force your point of view on others who don't think the way you do and once they don't want to agree with you, look down on them because they're just "fangirls" and are "blinded by his hotness and can't see the truth" or something. Long story short: Criticize him if you want but show some damned respect. Yet you are doing exactly that.
Hermione Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 Slightly tired? He sounded shit. His backup singers were overpowering him. They should stick to the autotune used in the Awesome as Fuck concert. Even though it is dishonest, at least they sound awesome. Is there an example of this? Because this is where we disagree, he sounded totally fine to me both times I saw them (in 2012 and 2013) as well as in videos of other shows, and even at Reading he didn't sound that bad.
LostHighway Posted March 29, 2015 Author Posted March 29, 2015 Is there an example of this? Because this is where we disagree, he sounded totally fine to me both times I saw them (in 2012 and 2013) as well as in videos of other shows, and even at Reading he didn't sound that bad. Getting out sung by your backup singers is highly embarrassing and he sounded awful. We clearly weren't listening to the same shows, his voice sounds weak and raspy. Is there an example of this? Because this is where we disagree, he sounded totally fine to me both times I saw them (in 2012 and 2013) as well as in videos of other shows, and even at Reading he didn't sound that bad. Hermione, I understand you are an avid fan like I am, but please don't let this hinder your ability to remain objective when passing an opinion. I'm only trying to save you from sounding biased and clutching at straws, as other people pick up on this type of thing and will refer to you as a fangirl. Please don't give them the ammunition.
laurie_black Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 Getting out sung by your backup singers is highly embarrassing and he sounded awful. We clearly weren't listening to the same shows, his voice sounds weak and raspy. The fact that the backup singers' microphones are too loud in the mix doesn't even have anything to do with his singing qualities.
Hermione Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 Getting out sung by your backup singers is highly embarrassing and he sounded awful. We clearly weren't listening to the same shows, his voice sounds weak and raspy. Hermione, I understand you are an avid fan like I am, but please don't let this hinder your ability to remain objective when passing an opinion. I'm only trying to save you from sounding biased and clutching at straws, as other people pick up on this type of thing and will refer to you as a fangirl. Please don't give them the ammunition. Uhh, thanks, but you're in no more of an objective position than me , we're both judging his singing from our own subjective points of view. And I'm not at all concerned about whether anyone considers me a "fangirl" Are you referring to a particular show/recording? If so I'd like to hear it so I can judge for myself.
Travis. Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 Billie's voice is still fucking awesome. Maybe I'm just being a fangirl, not sure
Billie Hoe Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 what's so bad about being a fangirl anyway. yes i'm a fan. yes I'm a girl. I'm a fangirl. So?
bollard_11 Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 Here are two performances from the last tour in Australia: Brutal Love While his voice is fine in this performance of Brutal Love, the guitar tone Billie is using sounds horrible! Maybe its just the video, but I don't remember his tone being that bad when I saw them play Brutal Love!
Guest Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 You know what? That's not even criticizing anymore, that's just downright disrespectful. Who exactly are you to tell him that he needs to learn how to play his instrument properly, just because you're unhappy with the way he does it? You're not his manager, not his friend, not his bandmate, not his producer, you're a fan and while you are allowed to criticize him or the band, you can't impose angry requirements on him. Seriously, I'm all for being critical - you don't have to like or approve of everything he does, but only as long as you do it in a rational and respectful manner. The way some people talk in this thread makes me wonder why they even listen to their music or go to their concerts (or are in a Green Day forum) if all they can do is complain about how bad Billie is fucking everything up. We all know Billie is not perfect and not the best singer on the planet, and he doesn't have to be. Because that would be fucking boring. Some people think the quality of his voice or something is getting worse, and that's okay, but you can't force your point of view on others who don't think the way you do and once they don't want to agree with you, look down on them because they're just "fangirls" and are "blinded by his hotness and can't see the truth" or something. Long story short: Criticize him if you want but show some damned respect. Bobo doesn't even like Green Day. He can't even name 10 of their songs
BilIie Joe Armstrong Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 Come on, it's not that bad. Yes, his singing was worse than on previous tours, but there's no sign that would indicate that he can't improve again. Imo, there's no point in judging now since we haven't heard him for more than a year.
Mykee Mexx Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 Imo, there's no point in judging now since we haven't heard him for more than a year. Yes, lets talk about his sexiness... in his voice...
Amanda Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 Yes, lets talk about his sexiness... in his voice... Fifty Shades of Green.
Spike Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 How the fuck does Billie need to learn to play guitar? He's been the guitarist in one of the tightest bands in the world for actual decades, and when he wants to he can let rip playing lead. Just because he's not Steve Vai and Green Day's music doesn't call for him to be doesn't mean he's not a good guitarist, jfc. Edit: I just realised Bobo said it. Never mind
BilIie Joe Armstrong Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 Christian's inferno. How the fuck does Billie need to learn to play guitar? He's been the guitarist in one of the tightest bands in the world for actual decades, and when he wants to he can let rip playing lead. Just because he's not Steve Vai and Green Day's music doesn't call for him to be doesn't mean he's not a good guitarist, jfc.Exactly, besides there's nothing wrong with his playing from technical point of view. He might not be the most imaginative player in the world but surely can play and his style perfectly suits his band. So no doubt about his skills guys; ).
Mykee Mexx Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 Let´s sum it up: BJ´s voice is abysmal, he can´t play the guitar, lyrics are godawful, he´s too sober to be good, GD won´t return because they sold out and lost their feeling, and HoF is just a mistake. So, now it´s time for them to retire and just be sexy.
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