Anaïs. Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 The Who most definitely does not have two lead singers. They let Pete sing occasionally, when he whines. That does not make him the lead singer. Roger had one of the best voices in rock, he was most definitely the lead singer. Don't mess with Roger, my second favorite. He is most definitely the lead singer. While I agree that Roger is awesome, Pete is definitely a contender for co-lead. He sang half of The Who Sell Out, good portions of Tommy, Who's Next and Quadrophenia, and a big amount of By Numbers as well. And he's damn awesome, really, not as powerful as Roger but quite good nonetheless.
Chin for a Day Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 While I agree that Roger is awesome, Pete is definitely a contender for co-lead. He sang half of The Who Sell Out, good portions of Tommy, Who's Next and Quadrophenia, and a big amount of By Numbers as well. And he's damn awesome, really, not as powerful as Roger but quite good nonetheless. I think if you asked them, they would say that Roger is the lead singer. While Pete does sing quite a bit, he doesn't sing anywhere near as much as Roger. And he shouldn't, he is no where near the vocalist Roger is. He did sing some major songs on Tommy, such as The Acid Queen but did alot of bridge songs, like There's A Doctor and Tommy's Holiday Camp. On Quadrophenia, the only lead he had was I'm One. ON Who's Next, the only song he had by himself was Going Mobile. He does sing on every album, that is for sure. But I would not consider him the lead singer. Roger is best. I will fight you on that!
Mayonaise Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 In terms of music itself, they should probably stop writing shit lyrics.
BilIie Joe Armstrong Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 In terms of music itself, they should probably stop writing shit lyrics. Hopefully, not being smashed all the time will help in this regard.
Hermione Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 Hopefully, not being smashed all the time will help in this regard. Pretty sure the trilogy isn't the only time he's been smashed when writing lyrics in the past, there's been plenty of other times he's been heavily under the influence of drink and/or drugs. He's written good lyrics both with and without that stuff, might have an effect on the content or style of the lyrics but doesn't seem to have much effect on the quality.
BilIie Joe Armstrong Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 Pretty sure the trilogy isn't the only time he's been smashed when writing lyrics in the past, there's been plenty of other times he's been heavily under the influence of drink and/or drugs. He's written good lyrics both with and without that stuff, might have an effect on the content or style of the lyrics but doesn't seem to have much effect on the quality. I know, Nimrod has one of the best lyrics he's ever written and he said he was pretty fucked up back then too, but if I try looking for an explanation why are most of the Trilogy lyrics badly written I can't come up with anything else and simply laying the blame on his incompetence doesn't seem right either If one's brilliant at something they don't turn shite overnight.
Guest Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 I know, Nimrod has one of the best lyrics he's ever written and he said he was pretty fucked up back then too, but if I try looking for an explanation why are most of the Trilogy lyrics badly written I can't come up with anything else and simply laying the blame on his incompetence doesn't seem right either If one's brilliant at something they don't turn shite overnight. Sure they do. Case in point: the Trilogy
BilIie Joe Armstrong Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 Sure they do. Case in point: the Trilogy Being strung out may be an extenuating circumstance in this case. No one can tell for sure, but it's possible that this time his issues got worse and impaired the quality.
kookybrah Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 Being strung out may be an extenuating circumstance in this case. No one can tell for sure, but it's possible that this time his issues got worse and impaired the quality. yeah this in rolling stone he said something like how he was fucked when he wrote American Idiot, it seemed to me he would write a majority of it alone in a room at night where he's knocking back drinks and swallowing pills by time the trilogy came along, he'd become slated and numbed and stale by all of it, which is maybe why creatively he could come up with a lot, but quality wise it fell short of the mark
LostHighway Posted April 2, 2015 Author Posted April 2, 2015 Lets be honest here, Green Day's formula for live shows has been effective for 2 tours, but now it has become old and stale. This includes the 99 revolutions tour, which was half-hearted, lethargic and predictable. The band members just didn't care, because no-one gave a crap about the trilogy. Here are some changes I would like to see made: Trendier, slicker outfits that complete the polished rock star look. Less ayyy ooohs and more songs Less lame motivational speeches (ie the joy rant) and more songs More Visuals and special effects A return to the runway stage Scrap the drunk bunny Revamped setlists What do you guys think? What changes would you like to see made?
Mykee Mexx Posted April 2, 2015 Posted April 2, 2015 Outfits I really don´t care. I don´t care what I wear when I attend a concert, and I don´t care what they wear. Doesn´t affect the music. The Bunny is getting stale, true. More visual and special effects - no. I prefer plain shows without too much spectacle. Hey-oh´s can stay. But I didn´t like the aggressive "JOYJOYJOY!!!" thing. New setlist for sure. And I don´t like how they copy themselves musically. Some new influence would be good. Runway would be great. Karaoke for the audience while waiting for the show to begin. Smaller venues. *dream* Bands in former times used to come to Kiel (even Michael Jackson did). Now they stop in Hamburg, if they even make it up to there. This need/greed for bigger venues pisses me off. I want a tour NOW!
M0n3y Posted April 2, 2015 Posted April 2, 2015 Less eey ooh's A more diverse setlist (they have 150+ songs, switch them around a bit so there's more of a surprise) Less time-loss in and between songs (like running all over the place for god knows what reason, so we get moar songs) Moar shows in Europe And keep the drunk bunny!
Hermione Posted April 2, 2015 Posted April 2, 2015 Lets be honest here, Green Day's formula for live shows has been effective for 2 tours, but now it has become old and stale. This includes the 99 revolutions tour, which was half-hearted, lethargic and predictable. The band members just didn't care, because no-one gave a crap about the trilogy. Here are some changes I would like to see made: Trendier, slicker outfits that complete the polished rock star look. Less ayyy ooohs and more songs Less lame motivational speeches (ie the joy rant) and more songs More Visuals and special effects A return to the runway stage Scrap the drunk bunny Revamped setlists What do you guys think? What changes would you like to see made?This seems to be pretty much the exact same thread you made the other day (ie your suggestions for how Green Day could improve their live show) only with a more accurate title, so I'm going to merge them and keep the better title.
Mykee Mexx Posted April 2, 2015 Posted April 2, 2015 MOn3y Less time-loss in and between songs (like running all over the place for god knows what reason, so we get moar songs) Haha, right! He´s just total energy. And I guess he´s doing it because he desperately feels responsible for making a really good show and get everybody scream and go crazy and be with him. And isn´t the result just what most (many, some, few...) of us love about them? Getting into contact, letting us be a part of the show, a part of their experience, being one community, even if it´s just a dream as long as the show lasts? I just wonder how he can still have enough breath for the next song... But yes, I think he could calm down a little bit (just a little bit), we would still all be with him. I would. And in the end... the running around will diminish naturally as time flies by...
Alan86 Posted April 3, 2015 Posted April 3, 2015 Lots of lasers and strobe lighting, get rid of all the instruments and just have Billie with some Green Day records on vinyl on Stage. He can wear a white suit and sunglasses and shout "hey oh" whenever the fuck he wants .......... that would be MAGIC Edit: and a fog machine, everything is better with a fog machine.
M0n3y Posted April 3, 2015 Posted April 3, 2015 Haha, right! He´s just total energy. And I guess he´s doing it because he desperately feels responsible for making a really good show and get everybody scream and go crazy and be with him. And isn´t the result just what most (many, some, few...) of us love about them? Getting into contact, letting us be a part of the show, a part of their experience, being one community, even if it´s just a dream as long as the show lasts? I just wonder how he can still have enough breath for the next song... But yes, I think he could calm down a little bit (just a little bit), we would still all be with him. I would. And in the end... the running around will diminish naturally as time flies by... Then again, the energy he shows on stage gets picked up by the crowd That's probably one of the reasons I had to rest for 2 days to feel my legs again. And I bet that even in a wheelchair he would be all over the place
Mykee Mexx Posted April 3, 2015 Posted April 3, 2015 Then again, the energy he shows on stage gets picked up by the crowd That's probably one of the reasons I had to rest for 2 days to feel my legs again. And I bet that even in a wheelchair he would be all over the place Haha, I left the one and only show I ever saw right before the end, because I was exhausted. Wasn´t used to the mosh, was almost run over, and then squashed by the crowd.
M0n3y Posted April 3, 2015 Posted April 3, 2015 Haha, I left the one and only show I ever saw right before the end, because I was exhausted. Wasn´t used to the mosh, was almost run over, and then squashed by the crowd. I literally was stuck in the crowd We were so mushed together that when I raised my arms I had to rest them on the shoulders and backs of the people around me And I was totally dehydrated. We had diner + a final drink at 5 pm and then waited in line to get as close as possible to the main stage. Green Day started at 10 something PM and finished at like 12.30 am. And after like 15 minutes into the show my shirt was completely soaked with sweat. Still the best evening of my life (Sorry mods for going slightly off topic here )
Mykee Mexx Posted April 3, 2015 Posted April 3, 2015 I literally was stuck in the crowd We were so mushed together that when I raised my arms I had to rest them on the shoulders and backs of the people around me And I was totally dehydrated. We had diner + a final drink at 5 pm and then waited in line to get as close as possible to the main stage. Green Day started at 10 something PM and finished at like 12.30 am. And after like 15 minutes into the show my shirt was completely soaked with sweat. Still the best evening of my life (Sorry mods for going slightly off topic here ) Stuck in the crowd... I know that... since I am quite a small person and around me rather huge guys I felt panic coming up at times. Especially when the whole crowd was moved and waved uncontrolled in any direction. I was just stuck and was being moved with them, and there were times I almost fell. That was the point to retract, because I didn´t want to risk falling and being run over. Claustrophobia feelings... To get OT again: I want more smaller venues.
unextraordinarygirl Posted April 3, 2015 Posted April 3, 2015 I've been to shows where the band just stands there and plays and doesnt move around at all. It was so boring. A Green Day show looks exciting and energetic so I hope they keep it that way. I'm hoping to see them live someday.
Mykee Mexx Posted April 3, 2015 Posted April 3, 2015 I've been to shows where the band just stands there and plays and doesnt move around at all. It was so boring. A Green Day show looks exciting and energetic so I hope they keep it that way. I'm hoping to see them live someday. I know both kinds of bands, too. But it depends on my resonance, whether I think it´s boring or not. I know one singer who never really liked to be on stage (he told me so), and he was almost always avoiding to look at people, but starred at the wall the opposite side. But then... yes, no stage show, small venues, but a hell of a voice and good music and it totally resonated with me. I loved him, he was a great musician and singer. And I love GD, too, they are totally different, but yes, resonance makes me love them the way they are.
M0n3y Posted April 3, 2015 Posted April 3, 2015 I'd also prefer more smaller venues, but it will be a bitch to get tickets for those
Hermione Posted April 3, 2015 Posted April 3, 2015 I'd also prefer more smaller venues, but it will be a bitch to get tickets for those That problem is solved by them playing Foxboro Hot Tubs shows! Even when they're announced on greenday.com and stuff they never get the same attention as a Green Day show since the vast majority of people don't realize it's them. When they played after a Green Day arena show in London Billie even invited the crowd of 12000 to come, but the 500 person venue was still only half full. I'm guessing the fact it allows them to play tiny shows is one of the reasons for inventing the band, and it works really well. But it's not always that bad getting tickets when Green Day play smallish shows either, especially when they're sold through the Idiot Club. Luck does come into it but I was able to get tickets for Shepherds Bush (3000 capacity) and Brixton (5000 capacity) with no problem.
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