sara_gd Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 I agree about the runway (massive asset to their arena/stadium shows) and Good Riddance, however they have said they lost money on the 21st CB tour and couldn't really do that again so it might be that cutting back on props like that is necessary to keep ticket prices reasonable, and they actually did play Good Riddance after Brutal Love at a few shows so they might already have that sorted. Overall they've never been a band who drastically changes up their show with each tour, rather you can see a gradual evolution from Dookie shows to now, and I don't mind that. They did make a few changes plus played Dookie in full (!!!!!) at a few shows so I don't think change was particularly lacking this time compared with other tours. Hey sorry, could I know where you got that from? If you can remember.
Hermione Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 Hey sorry, could I know where you got that from? If you can remember. No problem, someone asked me in the Q&A thread a couple of days ago so I already have the answer prepared: It was successful, it's just that the massive show cost a lot and they didn't charge that much for the tickets. Here's one place Billie mentioned it in 2012: "To be honest with you, on the 21st Century Breakdown tour, we ended up in the hole! We put this huge production together and pushed it so hard, we pushed a little too hard." scan of article with full quote: http://www.greendaycommunity.org/topic/89973-green-day-qa-kerrang-part-2-is-out/?p=4872701
sara_gd Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 No problem, someone asked me in the Q&A thread a couple of days ago so I already have the answer prepared: It was successful, it's just that the massive show cost a lot and they didn't charge that much for the tickets. Here's one place Billie mentioned it in 2012: "To be honest with you, on the 21st Century Breakdown tour, we ended up in the hole! We put this huge production together and pushed it so hard, we pushed a little too hard." scan of article with full quote: http://www.greendaycommunity.org/topic/89973-green-day-qa-kerrang-part-2-is-out/?p=4872701 Thank you It's not really that they lost money, is it? Or maybe I'm not understanding "in the hole" right. I'd say that it's just that they didn't make as much as they thought they'd make, though now I'm realising that's probably what you meant from the beggining (I'm used to small bands actually losing money on tour so there's my surprised reaction that it would happen to Green Day too).
That Dude Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 Hi all i would first like to say it's great to be on this forum. I have been a Green Day fan since I was 8, I'm 19 now. They are my all time favourite band. For the last 2 years I must confess I have found Green Day's shows lackluster. By the last 2 years I mean the 99 revolutions tour. From the performances I saw, they just didn't seem to care too much. Everything about that tour screamed half assed, from how they dressed to the performances themselves, which were lacking the stadium rock polish that I had grown used to with the scintillating concerts of the American Idiot and 21CB tours. There was nothing quite like the final guitar part of American idiot live, where it finished with a bang, Billie with his hands triumphantly in the air, raring to go. Example: To the dress. During American Idiot and 21CB, the guys looked damn good. They had their sharp shirts and ties, accompanied with the occasional leather jacket. This suited them and in my opinion was their signature look, one which they should have kept. It looked badass, with a hint of class and sophistication mixed in for good measure, almost symbolic of their musical transformation. This: To this: It would have looked so much better if they had stuck to this attire as opposed to the op shop look they went for last time. They left that behind when American Idiot began and should have kept it in their past. Billie Joe looks damn good for 43, keep the hair short and tussled with the jackets/shirt and tie and everything is hunky dory. Now we have the image down-pat, lets get to the performance. Compared to the previous 2 tours, the 99 revolutions tour was composed of a series of rather lackluster, lethargic and indifferent performances. I went to one of the shows, so I know what I am on about and this was not on the same level as the previous 2 tours. I really missed the pyro and the running and jumping that I had grown accustomed to seeing was vastly reduced, although this can be forgiven due to age. However if Billie Joe gets himself fit like he was for the AI and 21CB tours, I believe his energy around the stage will pick up significantly. NCIS actor Michael Weatherly, who is 46, has proven it is very achievable if the work is put in. Their overall live formula also needs a reboot. They have used the same formula for the last 2 tours and it has grown tiresome. Keep the pyro and visual effects, it is an absolute treat to watch and enhances the show. However, remove the drunk rabbit, King For a Day, excessive ayyy ohhhs and implement something else to revitalize the performance. Return with the runway as well, it was truly epic. Also, do not under any circumstances remove Good Riddance from its closing slot. This tour it was replaced with Brutal Love on multiple occasions, much to my chagrin. The Forgotten might make an epic 2nd last track, with Billie Joe on the piano wowing the crowd. Just do something new and refreshing. Also, Armstrong's singing has diminished somewhat, though I believe it will return for their next tour as I don't believe he was fully prepared for the 99 Revolutions tour. I will watch the Hall of Fame performance with great interest to hear how he sounds. Do you agree with me? How do you guys think Green Day can revamp their live performance? Its great to be able to talk with you guys. Please don't take this as an attack on Green Day, its not. I want them to succeed as much as you do, hence why I've listed ways to improve. I liked the guys style during the 99 Revolutions era. I want shirts like Billie Joe had! I've noticed with each album comes a different style for the guys. As far as performance, I definitely think they will be better when they return. And the Hey-Ho's could really be toned way down, replaced with more songs. The setlist needs a major shakeup for sure. Other than that, I think in order to revamp their career Album 12 simply needs to be CRAZY/AMAZING/AWESOME. As in 'make American Idiot sound like Justin Beiber' great. And I believe they are capable of that. The trilogy was set to be their biggest project ever, and I think if they been able to promote it, things would have been much different. With this next album, they need to promote the heck out of. 5+ Singles, music videos, non-stop touring, secret shows, interviews, soundtracks, the works. Make an album so good every song is a hit single. Tour the world over a few times.
SomeNimrod97 Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 Why don't we just all agree on a new album with lyrics to the standard of AI and 21CB but go back to the sound of Dookie to Nimrod with the tempo and the heaviness. Let there be rock!
Hermione Posted March 23, 2015 Posted March 23, 2015 Thank you It's not really that they lost money, is it? Or maybe I'm not understanding "in the hole" right. I'd say that it's just that they didn't make as much as they thought they'd make, though now I'm realising that's probably what you meant from the beggining (I'm used to small bands actually losing money on tour so there's my surprised reaction that it would happen to Green Day too). Yeah "in the hole" means to have lost money, basically the same as "in debt". So they must've spent more than they made. But that would be a much bigger deal for a smaller band, when they're already millionaires and also making money off other stuff (CDs, merchandise etc) it's not actually going to affect them that much to break even or lose a bit on a tour, as long as it doesn't happen on every tour. I think on the last tour they cut down on the loss by cutting down on effects, and I'm glad they did it that way rather than making tickets really expensive!
tommygoodtimee Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Looks really don't matter. At this point in their career no one is going to criticize what they look like unless its an extreme. I think they should start off with a big tour playing the hits of course but also a ton of rarities. Then, I think they should put out a new EP. Not a full album. Then they can see how the EP and decide if they want to make a full length.
WhiteTim Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 They need to release a EP of Beastie Boys covers Track list Boomin Granny Country Mike's Theme Fight For Your Right Skills To Pay The Bills Brass Monkey Railroad Blues
Chin for a Day Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 They need to release a EP of Beastie Boys covers Track list Boomin Granny Country Mike's Theme Fight For Your Right Skills To Pay The Bills Brass Monkey Railroad Blues I would seriously pay money for that as long as there was a guest appearance by Ad-Rock.
Hermione Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Green Day covering Brass Monkey would legit be the greatest thing ever.
WhiteTim Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Green Day covering Brass Monkey would legit be the greatest thing ever. Imagine all 3 all doing the vocals
Hermione Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Imagine all 3 all doing the vocals My goodness, we need to make this happen somehow now lol
sara_gd Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Yeah "in the hole" means to have lost money, basically the same as "in debt". So they must've spent more than they made. But that would be a much bigger deal for a smaller band, when they're already millionaires and also making money off other stuff (CDs, merchandise etc) it's not actually going to affect them that much to break even or lose a bit on a tour, as long as it doesn't happen on every tour. I think on the last tour they cut down on the loss by cutting down on effects, and I'm glad they did it that way rather than making tickets really expensive! I was thinking that on the south american leg of the 21st Century Breakdown tour, which was the last part of the tour, they did seem to cut down on the stage, screens, lights, etc. It was probably due to this I'd say.
Hermione Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 I was thinking that on the south american leg of the 21st Century Breakdown tour, which was the last part of the tour, they did seem to cut down on the stage, screens, lights, etc. It was probably due to this I'd say. Yeah I think that's quite a common way for bands to save money on a tour, choosing not to transport as much stuff to a far away leg of it.
sara_gd Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Yeah I think that's quite a common way for bands to save money on a tour, choosing not to transport as much stuff to a far away leg of it. South America is closer to them than Europe really But yeah.
Hermione Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 South America is closer to them than Europe really But yeah. True , I guess they played more shows in Europe though so more benefit to bringing extra stuff.
bollard_11 Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 I am a big advocate of introducing unpredictability. We saw Green Day 5 times between the 21CB tour and the 99 Revolutions tour. Each time the most exciting part of the set was the section where you had no idea what the band would play next. Prime example of this was Wembley, where they played Nice Guys, Waiting and Dominated Love Slave. We had no idea any of these tracks were coming. The last show we saw them at was Brixton and even when they played Dookie in full, after the initial shock of the first few songs it became a predictable show again. I love going to shows where I have no idea what the band will play next. Green Day should have their opening song and closing set, and after that just play whatever, screw the regulated format. I know thats sort of impossible for bigger shows with all the added effects like lighting and pyro. But I can dream!!
kookybrah Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 I never got to see Green Day during the AI tour or the 21CB tour, but I know that that was when they were at their peak, musically and live, especially during AI era. I saw them at Brixton in 2013, the warm up show for Reading + Leeds. If anyone was at the front of the queue, wassup, we were around there too. Anyways, it was unpredictable. There was a new mix for the opening section, Dookie in full for like the 3rd time ever, and then there was a really tasty closing section followed by Good Riddance. It was one of the best days and nights of my life. So much fun in the queue which added to the whole experience. When they ripped through Dookie, all these middle aged people jumped into the pit with us, was great. They built anticipation with Bohemian Rhapsody and Blitzkrieg Bop and it totally had everyone going. I watched videos of pre rehab Billie and saw him post rehab, and yeah, he's more edgy and intense when he's off his face. I can imagine playing show after show sober, must be boring as shit. I play in a band and I can say, though every person is different and my guitar playing wasnt perfect and singing wasnt the most amazing, the best gigs we've ever played in pure entertainment value has been when we've been drinking beforehand. in the rolling stone interview, i think i remember, BJ himself admitted the AI album was pretty much written when he was in another place. The Trilogy he was at his worst, it all accumulated, he looked like shit at times and the music suffered as a result. obviously he will have to put that all behind him, but we can't deny it.....the alcohol made everything better. Watch Riding in Vans With Boys, they were drunk a lot of the time, it looked hilarious.....now imagine playing a tour completely sober....
Guest Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 The should go on a tour to support the 40th anniversary of "A Night at the Opera" by playing the album front to back.
Guest Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Looks really don't matter. At this point in their career no one is going to criticize what they look like unless its an extreme. I think they should start off with a big tour playing the hits of course but also a ton of rarities. Then, I think they should put out a new EP. Not a full album. Then they can see how the EP and decide if they want to make a full length. looks do matter. A lot. I don't want to see fat, out of shape Billie performing in a sweatshirt. Being a huge band is as much about image as it is about the music. When I go to see Green Day, I want to hear great music but I also want them to look the part.
Z J Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 looks do matter. A lot. I don't want to see fat, out of shape Billie performing in a sweatshirt. Being a huge band is as much about image as it is about the music. When I go to see Green Day, I want to hear great music but I also want them to look the part. Exactly. As I've said far too many times on this site, image matters. Whether you like it or not, it's going to affect perception and ultimately sales. What that image is for Green Day at this point in their career, I can't say. It depends on what they're looking to achieve with the rest of their career. But having a coherent and purposeful image is valuable.
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Some of you people are so fucking disgusting. Some of the greatest bands of all time are fuck ugly. By the way Warning was more successful than the trilogy and Billie was chubby or "fat" during that period and perfectly slim in his sweatshirt during the trilogy era. Oh and Billie is not the only member of the band. Tre is fat right now so I guess they are fucked as far as you guys are concerned. It's so hard being a boyband these days. Sigh.
Guest Posted March 24, 2015 Posted March 24, 2015 Some of you people are so fucking disgusting. Some of the greatest bands of all time are fuck ugly. By the way Warning was more successful than the trilogy and Billie was chubby or "fat" during that period and perfectly slim in his sweatshirt during the trilogy era. Oh and Billie is not the only member of the band. Tre is fat right now so I guess they are fucked as far as you guys are concerned. It's so hard being a boyband these days. Sigh. I'm sorry I "fucking disgust" you. I'm sorry for thinking the band has an image to uphold and that being fat slobs does nothing to uphold it. So, so sorry!!
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