Billie Joe posts photo in support of stronger gun laws #NotOneMore

[WhiteTim]

As tempting as that sounds, I must admit that I was joking.

I know I was too cause I realized you also meant that the guns would be unloaded as well

[Cruise]

A robber breaks into your house he has a gun you don't he threatens your family what do you do?

And don't say something weak like "just do what he says won't get hurt" doesn't always work

Is this seriously your only argument. Oh I better have a gun in case they have a gun. Well if you remove them they wont have a gun. Of course you don't instantly remove guns, you do it gradually, and use buy back schemes. It doesn't have to be an over night thing, but just phase them out. Start by at least removing rifles and all military weapons from civilian hands even with a permit.

Also banning them does not 100% remove the issue. We still have a gun issue here but it is reduced to the most hardcore criminals who usually don't target the every day person. As why would you take the risk when you have a banned weapon by attacking someone. The people that attack the majority people are from low economic groups, who a majority of them would hand in their guns for money.

The longer you wait the worse the situation gets and the hard it is to reverse it. You at least have to make steps to stop it, but no your country refuses. Even if it is something as simple as having tougher background checks.

Don't ask me how I know this but guns sells for more money than any drugs...

Guns equal high risk and a lot of work. Drugs low risk and little work. (in comparison to each other). Its not like anyone can make a gun and with the majority of gun factories shutting down it would become even harder.

[Rosie May]

Every kid is different

I do believe in teaching gun safety to kids and everyone

If you do not teach kids about a gun and he comes across one let's say he's over at a friends house and their parents are idiots and leaves a gun laying around if we leave kids to know nothing about them guess what the odds of them harming themselves or someone else is higher than a kid who knows that's a gun and to leave it alone

But every kid is still a kid. I don't understand a country that bans kinder eggs because the toys might be a choking hazard but is a-ok with teaching kids how to handle and use deadly weapons.

I'd rather live in a place where the teaching of gun safety isn't necessary because you're highly unlikely to ever see one in your life time rather than have them be totally common place.

So yeah, not much point in talking to me because I don't understand gun culture and I don't want to.

[Cruise]

The idea of holding a gun is utterly terrifying to me, never mind letting any kid, let alone one of mine, hold one or even fire one.

I actually never liked being near my Dad when he was carrying his gun when he was working (Police dealing with gangs, as well as being one of the PMs police guards at times). Just the thought of what he carried around disturbed me, even though I knew the reason and though he needed if for his job.

genius!

And what do you suggest to do about the bullets there are other ways to use a bullet than by a gun...

Recycle the materials.

Well I wouldn't let mine hold or shoot until he's at least 18 but he knows to leave them alone and not to touch them

Every kid is different

I do believe in teaching gun safety to kids and everyone

If you do not teach kids about a gun and he comes across one let's say he's over at a friends house and their parents are idiots and leaves a gun laying around if we leave kids to know nothing about them guess what the odds of them harming themselves or someone else is higher than a kid who knows that's a gun and to leave it alone

You seriously should need to teach kids about guns the way Australians need to teach kids about spiders and snakes.

[WhiteTim]

Is this seriously your only argument. Oh I better have a gun in case they have a gun. Well if you remove them they wont have a gun. Of course you don't instantly remove guns, you do it gradually, and use buy back schemes. It doesn't have to be an over night thing, but just phase them out. Start by at least removing rifles and all military weapons from civilian hands even with a permit.

Also banning them does not 100% remove the issue. We still have a gun issue here but it is reduced to the most hardcore criminals who usually don't target the every day person. As why would you take the risk when you have a banned weapon by attacking someone. The people that attack the majority people are from low economic groups, who a majority of them would hand in their guns for money.

The longer you wait the worse the situation gets and the hard it is to reverse it. You at least have to make steps to stop it, but no your country refuses. Even if it is something as simple as having tougher background checks.

Guns equal high risk and a lot of work. Drugs low risk and little work. (in comparison to each other). Its not like anyone can make a gun and with the majority of gun factories shutting down it would become even harder.

And I agree that we need tougher background checks like I said I think every one who buys and allowed a gun should be required to sit on the class become licensed we need to get rid of the gun shows

Problem is both parties don't seem to have any reasonable people making headway if we can get level headed people to come to a solution instead of going to the extreme on both side also scumbags like the NRA and people like Bloomberg (who owns the group Billie is supporting) stop paying off the politicans to vote their ways maybe the lawmakers could listen to reasonable plans that could satisfy both the pro groups and the anti groups

[Cruise]

And I agree that we need tougher background checks like I said I think every one who buys and allowed a gun should be required to sit on the class become licensed we need to get rid of the gun shows

Problem is both parties don't seem to have any reasonable people making headway if we can get level headed people to come to a solution instead of going to the extreme on both side also scumbags like the NRA and people like Bloomberg (who owns the group Billie is supporting) stop paying off the politicans to vote their ways maybe the lawmakers could listen to reasonable plans that could satisfy both the pro groups and the anti groups

The country is a mess. The US can be summed up simply. The US is Imperial measurements, doesn't make much sense, completely illogical and extremely outdated.

[WhiteTim]

The country is a mess. The US can be summed up simply. The US is Imperial measurements, doesn't make much sense, completely illogical and extremely outdated.

Hey hey we have a half black president we're making progress....

Lol

[Fuzz]

Curious why no one found any justified responses to Tim's argument that alcohol kills other people at a greater (or very similar) rate than guns but no one is advocating more limits on alcohol. Drunk driving is illegal, so is threatening someone with a gun. Killing people while drunk driving is illegal, so is killing someone with a gun. Just because they're illegal doesn't mean it's fixed anything at all.

Some stats

Firearm homicides

Number of deaths: 11,068

Deaths per 100,000 population: 3.6

Drunk driving

Number of deaths: 10,322

Deaths per 100,000 population: 3.3

Why are these numbers not comparable? It seems most people who like to drink believe the solution is better education or better information to reduce the amount of drunk driving related deaths. No one is seriously advocating putting more limits on the types of alcohol you can get or making you go through a background check to purchase it to make sure you use it responsibly. What if I told you "well if you're not for more control and bans you're condemning 10,300 more people to die this year!"

[Guest]

Ah here Andres, genuinely thought you were smarter than that.

[Fuzz]

Ah here Andres, genuinely thought you were smarter than that.

I'm not necessarily opposed to stronger gun laws (but the more I talk to Mark about it the more he convinces me it's a bad idea), I just think Tim raised a pretty solid point.

[Guest]

I'm not necessarily opposed to stronger gun laws (but the more I talk to Mark about it the more he convinces me it's a bad idea), I just think Tim raised a pretty solid point.

We should probably get him in here to talk about alcohol. People would be in favour of drunk driving by the time he was done.

[Cruise]

Curious why no one found any justified responses to Tim's argument that alcohol kills other people at a greater (or very similar) rate than guns but no one is advocating more limits on alcohol. Drunk driving is illegal, so is threatening someone with a gun. Killing people while drunk driving is illegal, so is killing someone with a gun. Just because they're illegal doesn't mean it's fixed anything at all.

Some stats

Firearm homicides

Number of deaths: 11,068

Deaths per 100,000 population: 3.6

Drunk driving

Number of deaths: 10,322

Deaths per 100,000 population: 3.3

Why are these numbers not comparable? It seems most people who like to drink believe the solution is better education or better information to reduce the amount of drunk driving related deaths. No one is seriously advocating putting more limits on the types of alcohol you can get or making you go through a background check to purchase it to make sure you use it responsibly. What if I told you "well if you're not for more control and bans you're condemning 10,300 more people to die this year!"

A large portion of Drunk driving cases revolve around them killing themselves and no one else, while Homicides are pretty much all other people. So one is people mostly killing themselves and the other killing other people. Actually those stats make the case even worse for firearms. The fact that you have more deaths by guns in just disgusting.

Also alcohol's sole purpose in not to kill.

[WhiteTim]

A large portion of Drunk driving cases revolve around them killing themselves and no one else, while Homicides are pretty much all other people. So one is people mostly killing themselves and the other killing other people. Actually those stats make the case even worse for firearms. The fact that you have more deaths by guns in just disgusting.

Also alcohol's sole purpose in not to kill.

Wrong they don't just kill themselves please research before talking asshole...

Be warned talking about drunk drivers around me I lost an unborn child and my gf due to a drunk driver...

[Cruise]

Wrong they don't just kill themselves please research before talking asshole...

YOU JUST FUCKING PISSED ME OFF NEVER CALL ME THAT. ALSO LEARN TO READ.

Large portions of drunk driving accidents end in the drivers death and another large portion goes to those inside the vehicle. Which leaves them at fault as well as they chose to be there.

[WhiteTim]

YOU JUST FUCKING PISSED ME OFF NEVER CALL ME THAT. ALSO LEARN TO READ.

Large portions of drunk driving accidents end in the drivers death and another large portion goes to those inside the vehicle. Which leaves them at fault as well as they chose to be there.

Google how many innocent people get killed from a drunk driver before speaking

[Guest]

Literally no one is defending drunk driving calm your tits mate.

[Cruise]

Google how many innocent people get killed from a drunk driver before speaking

How about you read before speaking. I didn't say all. I said a large portion. I didn't say all the cases were drive deaths. You just came to your own conclusion without reading.

[WhiteTim]

How about you read before speaking. I didn't say all. I said a large portion. I didn't say all the cases were drive deaths. You just came to your own conclusion without reading.

Did you not say this?

"So one is people mostly killing themselves and the other killing other people"

Was that not you???

Google how many people die at the hands of a drunk driver...

[Cruise]

Did you not say this?

"So one is people mostly killing themselves and the other killing other people"

Was that not you???

Google how many people die at the hands of a drunk driver...

MOSTLY. Also a lot of the other people killed are passengers, which are just as consenting as the driver in MOST cases.

[WhiteTim]

MOSTLY. Also a lot of the other people killed are passengers, which are just as consenting as the driver in MOST cases.

My girlfriend wasn't a passenger she was simply on her way home from work until a drunk driver ran a red light slamming into the driver side pinning her to the car 2 months pregnant

My friend Amy was on her way to work wasn't a passenger drunk driver driving on the wrong side of the street

So more stories

[Cruise]

My girlfriend wasn't a passenger she was simply on her way home from work until a drunk driver ran a red light slamming into the driver side pinning her to the car 2 months pregnant

My friend Amy was on her way to work wasn't a passenger drunk driver driving on the wrong side of the street

So more stories

Once again you are missing the key words here. MOST NOT ALL.

whereas with guns it is the other way around. most are innocent people.

[WhiteTim]

Once again you are missing the key words here. MOST NOT ALL.

whereas with guns it is the other way around. most are innocent people.

Ooh ok so its ok for alcohol to kill but not by gun got it perfect...

So if I get drunk and kill someone in your family can't get mad at me cause alcohol wasn't designed to kill so its not my fault

But if I shot your family then it's ok for you to get mad as its my fault cause the gun is designed to kill got it thanks

[Cruise]

Ooh ok so its ok for alcohol to kill but not by gun got it perfect...

I am not saying that its ok to drink and drive. I was stating how they can not accurately be compared, and why one is more of in issue (not ok for people to die but when a person is completely innocent to the matter it become a whole new game). No need to chuck a wobbly.

Also add the fact there is more alcohol then guns and more people drink then shoot and yet the numbers are so similar is another sign.

[WhiteTim]

I am not saying that its ok to drink and drive. I was stating how they can not accurately be compared, and why one is more of in issue (not ok for people to die but when a person is completely innocent to the matter it become a whole new game). No need to chuck a wobbly.

Cause both items kill the stats are pretty much neck to neck to each other...

Ban guns? Ok ban alcohol as well control alcohol how many underage kids drink alcohol have access to it?

Guns kills you can save 11k a year if we get rid of them BAN GUNS NOW

Alcohol kills can save 10k a year if we get rid of alcohol but wait what would we drink? What do we give to women now to make them drunk to fuck is? We can't ban alcohol those 10k can be lost...

But I'll back out from this cause onbtje subject of drunk driving I think more emotionally

[Cruise]

Cause both items kill the stats are pretty much neck to neck to each other...

Ban guns? Ok ban alcohol as well control alcohol how many underage kids drink alcohol have access to it?

Guns kills you can save 11k a year if we get rid of them BAN GUNS NOW

Alcohol kills can save 10k a year if we get rid of alcohol but wait what would we drink? What do we give to women now to make them drunk to fuck is? We can't ban alcohol those 10k can be lost...

Giving kids alcohol is hardly the same as giving them a gun. I don't agree kids should have access to it, but a simple slip up wont end in death of innocent people or several people. Like the girl who killed her instructor when firing a gun a few months ago.

Alcohol has benefits for the average person and gun has zero benefits. (in their day to day life). I couldn't care less if alcohol was banned. I don't drink and on most cases I don't hang around with drunk people, so yea if Alcohol left it would make zero difference to me and I would live my life as I currently do. So yea no bias here.

At this rate why don't why try and ban cars as well. They kill more then both.