Ryan Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 True, the general public is not a well regulated militia. The constitution protects our rights to bear arms for military purposes, but it also limits the powers of the federal government. It does not limit the powers of local or state governments. That is why there are different gun laws in different states. That gap needs to be changed. In CT, there are mandatory background checks for anyone purchasing a gun, EXCEPT, if you purchase your gun at a gun show. You can literally walk out of the gun show with a gun in your hand. I don't not think the biggest issue is gun control, however, what needs to change is the disparity in gun laws across the county. That's definitely a problem that needs to be solved, and that should be tackled before the general issue of gun ownership as a whole can even be considered. There's no way you can enforce a wide general rule if you can't even get the specifics to be consistent across the country. What both of you are neglecting to mention is that the damage is already done. It doesn't matter if we re-interpret the 2nd Amendment. It doesn't matter if we make the laws uniform across the country. How do we stop what's going on knowing that there are a shit load of guns already out there and a lot of guns in the hands of criminals?
Libertine Angel Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 What both of you are neglecting to mention is that the damage is already done. It doesn't matter if we re-interpret the 2nd Amendment. It doesn't matter if we make the laws uniform across the country. How do we stop what's going on knowing that there are a shit load of guns already out there and a lot of guns in the hands of criminals? That is also a definite problem, and I'm not ignoring it, I'm just saying that the easiest way to stop that problem from getting bigger is to make the laws stricter and end the flow of guns, because unless you do that first, trying to stop the flow of illegal guns is just fighting against a current. Once stricter laws are in place, then the process of dealing with the guns already in circulation can begin, starting with harsher penalties for carrying guns at the very least.
Chin for a Day Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 What both of you are neglecting to mention is that the damage is already done. It doesn't matter if we re-interpret the 2nd Amendment. It doesn't matter if we make the laws uniform across the country. How do we stop what's going on knowing that there are a shit load of guns already out there and a lot of guns in the hands of criminals? Another huge issue. But, things need to be tackled one step at a time, which I'm not sure is happening effectively. What really bothers me about Billie posting that picture is that he posted a statement with no proposal on how to change things. What does Not One More even mean??? Is he anti-gun or pro-stricter gun laws? Getting guns away from people that already have them is probably near an impossible task. In CT and NY, there have been times where the police have paid people to turn in illegal guns, no questions asked, and paid them. That only works so far.
Ryan Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 That is also a definite problem, and I'm not ignoring it, I'm just saying that the easiest way to stop that problem from getting bigger is to make the laws stricter and end the flow of guns, because unless you do that first, trying to stop the flow of illegal guns is just fighting against a current. Once stricter laws are in place, then the process of dealing with the guns already in circulation can begin, starting with harsher penalties for carrying guns at the very least. Yes...but that ignores the fact that criminals have guns and normal, innocent people deserve the right to protect themselves and their family if faced with one of these criminals. If you make them illegal, criminals will still find a way to get them. That's the problem.
Libertine Angel Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 Yes...but that ignores the fact that criminals have guns and normal, innocent people deserve the right to protect themselves and their family if faced with one of these criminals. If you make them illegal, criminals will still find a way to get them. That's the problem. Yes, but it'll be much harder to get them, and if there are harsher penalties, fewer criminals will want to run the risk.
Guest Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 What both of you are neglecting to mention is that the damage is already done. It doesn't matter if we re-interpret the 2nd Amendment. It doesn't matter if we make the laws uniform across the country. How do we stop what's going on knowing that there are a shit load of guns already out there and a lot of guns in the hands of criminals? Do what Japan does and put anyone caught with an unlicensed firearm in jail for 7 to life. Sorted.
Guest Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 Because over-population of prisons definitely isn't a problem in America To be clear, I have no quibble with your idea in theory. In practice? It'd be a nightmare, not to mention the fact that a mandatory minimum sentence like 7 years for illegal possession of a firearm would only contribute to the problem we have of chucking low-income, under-educated people in jail instead of addressing the actual problems of low-income, under-educated people (a.k.a., the people most likely to illegally own a firearm).
Chin for a Day Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 Unlicensed firearms are only part of the problem. Many of the mass shootings occur with fully licensed guns. Adam Lanza's guns were all legal.
Guest Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 Because over-population of prisons definitely isn't a problem in America To be clear, I have no quibble with your idea in theory. In practice? It'd be a nightmare, not to mention the fact that a mandatory minimum sentence like 7 years for illegal possession of a firearm would only contribute to the problem we have of chucking low-income, under-educated people in jail instead of addressing the actual problems of low-income, under-educated people (a.k.a., the people most likely to illegally own a firearm). I'd give it 3 months before people carrying illegal firearms altogether because of the sheer risk. All you need are a few high profile cases. Legalise marijuana and release everyone in jail due to marijuana. Boom, problem solved overnight. Why aren't I president already? Unlicensed firearms are only part of the problem. Many of the mass shootings occur with fully licensed guns. Adam Lanza's guns were all legal. This is just to make criminals stop carrying them. If criminals don't have guns, then the pro-gun people have no leg to stand on, and then the restrictions on legal firearms can tightened.
Guest Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 I'd give it 3 months before people carrying illegal firearms altogether because of the sheer risk. All you need are a few high profile cases. Legalise marijuana and release everyone in jail due to marijuana. Boom, problem solved overnight. Why aren't I president already? you aren't even qualified to be a mod on an internet forum, that's why.
Guest Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 you aren't even qualified to be a mod on an internet forum, that's why. The only qualifications for being an internet moderator are being sleepy and being a dry shite. At least Obama is a bit of craic, if you forget about the drones.
Guest Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 The only qualifications for being an internet moderator are being sleepy and being a dry shite. At least Obama is a bit of craic, if you forget about the drones. Not to be a conservative asshat, but he was awfully sleepy while his ambassador was being killed in Benghazi!!!!! #burn #NoRecoveryFromThat
Guest Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 Not to be a conservative asshat, but he was awfully sleepy while his ambassador was being killed in Benghazi!!!!! #burn #NoRecoveryFromThat I don't even know where Benghazi is and I'm not American so I don't give a shite
Guest Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 I don't even know where Benghazi is and I'm not American so I don't give a shite clearly you aren't american ONLY REAL AMERICANS CARE ABOUT BENGHAZI.
Chin for a Day Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 I'd give it 3 months before people carrying illegal firearms altogether because of the sheer risk. All you need are a few high profile cases. Legalise marijuana and release everyone in jail due to marijuana. Boom, problem solved overnight. Why aren't I president already? This is just to make criminals stop carrying them. If criminals don't have guns, then the pro-gun people have no leg to stand on, and then the restrictions on legal firearms can tightened. Colorado already legalized pot. Then they just elected this guy to congress. Problem not solved. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/anti-gay-gordon-klingenschmitt-elected-colorado-house Making a maximum sentence for carrying an illegal firearm is only going to stop the criminals from carrying illegal firearms if they are caught.
WhiteTim Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 I'd give it 3 months before people carrying illegal firearms altogether because of the sheer risk. All you need are a few high profile cases. Legalise marijuana and release everyone in jail due to marijuana. Boom, problem solved overnight. Why aren't I president already? This is just to make criminals stop carrying them. If criminals don't have guns, then the pro-gun people have no leg to stand on, and then the restrictions on legal firearms can tightened. Cocaine is illegal and that charge gets you 10 years or more but that hasn't stopped coke heads or dealers...
Ryan Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 Yeah...like 100% positive that being caught with an illegal firearm is a criminal offense requiring a decent amount of jail time. Doesn't do shit to stop people from carrying illegal firearms. Probably because the Constitution also gives us this nice little right that protects us from having cops coming up and frisking us for no reason (although they like to find their loopholes). So unless a criminal is caught committing a crime and then the gun gets discovered, they will continue to have them.
Guest Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 Cocaine is illegal and that charge gets you 10 years or more but that hasn't stopped coke heads or dealers... Having a small amount of coke will get you a couple of years tops. There's ridiculous money in coke dealing, that's why people still do it. There's no money in having an unregistered firearm.
Guest Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 Having a small amount of coke will get you a couple of years tops. There's ridiculous money in coke dealing, that's why people still do it. There's no money in having an unregistered firearm. You can bet that if firearms were to become completely illegal (like cocaine is), there would be money to be made in smuggling and dealing them. Just saying.
Guest Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 You can bet that if firearms were to become completely illegal (like cocaine is), there would be money to be made in smuggling and dealing them. Just saying. Strange how there's absolutely no money in it in pretty much every other first world country then
Guest Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 Strange how there's absolutely no money in it in pretty much every other first world country then Yeah, but "pretty much every" first world country isn't America, and "pretty much every" first world country doesn't have a cultural belief that owning a gun is a right, so
Chin for a Day Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 You can bet that if firearms were to become completely illegal (like cocaine is), there would be money to be made in smuggling and dealing them. Just saying. There is tons of money made in the US dealing illegal firearms. Convicted felons cannot legally own a firearm. They need to get them somewhere.
WhiteTim Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 Having a small amount of coke will get you a couple of years tops. There's ridiculous money in coke dealing, that's why people still do it. There's no money in having an unregistered firearm. In Texas and in Cali you are looking at 10 years at the least more if you have more than a 8ballcand are selling And if you have codeine you going to take 10-15 years
Guest Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 Yeah, but "pretty much every" first world country isn't America, and "pretty much every" first world country doesn't have a cultural belief that owning a gun is a right, so How about you guys force anyone caught with an illegal firearm to emigrate to Canada? That should do it.
Guest Posted November 19, 2014 Posted November 19, 2014 How about you guys force anyone caught with an illegal firearm to emigrate to Canada? That should do it. or worse yet, the U.K.
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