Billie Joe posts photo in support of stronger gun laws #NotOneMore

[WhiteTim]

Why don't we bring every single other thing that could cause death into it then? Cars, fatty food, swimming pools, dogs, hammers. Unless we ban all of them, we can't ban any of them! In fact why is it illegal for people to keep bombs and anthrax in their house or have a pet lion that they walk down the street on a lead? Unless alcohol is also going to be banned I think we should un-ban those things!

I've been trying to ban dogs for years but no go

All I'm saying is if you're going to go after an object for deaths go after the other objects that has the same death rate

But let's be real as clearly is shown in this thread nobody gives a fuck about people dying be honest yall really don't cause if yall did you'd have the same amount of energy to go after alcohol as yall are with guns

Using bullshit excuses

"Guns kills"

"Alcohol wasn't made for killin alcohol doesn't lill it's the car it's this its that"

When it comes to alcohol everyone wants to blame every thing else than alcohol yall are pathetic yall are apart of the problem

[Hermione]

I've been trying to ban dogs for years but no go

But by your logic we can only consider banning dogs if we ban alcohol too . The point is if banning/restricting guns would save lives, wouldn't it still be good that those lives were saved even if other people were still being killed by alcohol (plus by cars/dogs/swimming pools/every other thing that can kill people but isn't illegal)?

[WhiteTim]

But by your logic we can only consider banning dogs if we ban alcohol too . The point is if banning/restricting guns would save lives, wouldn't it still be good that those lives were saved even if other people were still being killed by alcohol (plus by cars/dogs/swimming pools/every other thing that can kill people but isn't illegal)?

Seriously? dogs swimming pools don't have the death rates as guns or alcohol does cars a human has to operate

I've yet to see a person under the influence by a gun operate a car to kill someone but yet a person under the influence of alcohol operate a car to kill someone

Again yall using deaths and yall really don't give a flying fuck about the deaths (isn't it better to get rid of gun deaths than alcohol deaths...) yall just puppets...

[Anaïs.]

Seriously? dogs swimming pools don't have the death rates as guns or alcohol does cars a human has to operate

I've yet to see a person under the influence by a gun operate a car to kill someone but yet a person under the influence of alcohol operate a car to kill someone

Again yall using deaths and yall really don't give a flying fuck about the deaths (isn't it better to get rid of gun deaths than alcohol deaths...) yall just puppets...

By that logic you don't care about all the deaths caused by electrocution if you aren't campaigning for everyone returning to kerosene lamps.

[WhiteTim]

By that logic you don't care about all the deaths caused by electrocution if you aren't campaigning for everyone returning to kerosene lamps.

Sorry how many people die from that a year?

And keep the TV out of the bathtub won't be a problem...

[Anaïs.]

Sorry how many people die from that a year?

And keep the TV out of the bathtub won't be a problem...

You're just using deaths, Tim. You don't care about everyone who dies from electricity. You're just a puppet.

You see how silly that sounds? Of course I care that people are killed by drunk drivers. But you are consistently failing to address the point that cars and alcohol are not designed to kill people while guns and bullets are, and the ratio of people who drink and kill vs. the ratio of people who own guns and kill.

[WhiteTim]

You're just using deaths, Tim. You don't care about everyone who dies from electricity. You're just a puppet.

You see how silly that sounds? Of course I care that people are killed by drunk drivers. But you are consistently failing to address the point that cars and alcohol are not designed to kill people while guns and bullets are, and the ratio of people who drink and kill vs. the ratio of people who own guns and kill.

Ratios don't matter when nearly the same amount of people are DEAD

If you're going to go after a killing machine go after all or none at all

But don't go after something using death stats but reject when someone else brings up death stats for another item just cause the other items serves your propose

Yall keep blaming other factors for drinks but have YET to blame the alcohol not one person everyone in this thread defending has deflected to other items causing than the alcohol if you can't see how fucked up yall are...

"Alcohol didn't kill your unborn child the car did alcohol had no part because its not made for killing"

What was alcohol made for to drink? its alters and slurs your mind right what do you think happens when your mind is slurred and altered?

Do you think alcohol was made for good purpose?

[Hermione]

If you're going to go after a killing machine go after all or none at all

Sorry, why? Isn't saving the people killed by one thing better than saving no one?

This discussion has become ridiculous. Restricting guns more could save lives.......and it could still save lives whether people are also getting killed by other things or not. The fact that people are also killed by things other than guns isn't relevant to whether restricting guns would be beneficial.

[WhiteTim]

Sorry, why? Isn't saving the people killed by one thing better than saving no one?

This discussion has become ridiculous. Restricting guns more could save lives.......and it could still save lives whether people are also getting killed by other things or not.

Well ok then gun murders are just the worst the other killings are good then glad we settled that

I'll just go drink and crash and kill hopefully a family of 4 hey no big deal the alcohol didn't make me do it it was the car and nothing fucking else

At 8 I need to call the courts to free the guy who killed my unborn child and girlfriend cause hey ita no big deal he didn't shoot them so it's ok

I'll spend millions freeing all the drunk drivers who are locked up thanks for showing me the light

[Hermione]

Well ok then

I'm going to go drink and crash and kill hopefully a family of 4 hey no big deal the alcohol didn't make me do it it was the car and nothing fucking else

It'd be bad if that happened. But it'd still happen whether guns were highly restricted and less people were being killed by them or not. And it'd still be good if people were saved from being killed by guns even if other people were sadly still being killed by alcohol. The two things simply have no bearing on each other, imo.

[WhiteTim]

It'd be bad if that happened. But it'd still happen whether guns were highly restricted and less people were being killed by them or not. And it'd still be good if people were saved from being killed by guns even if other people were sadly still being killed by alcohol. The two things simply have no bearing on each other, imo.

We need a stronger laws on both

I'm just sick of blaming guns never the person behind the gun

But when it comes to alcohol you and all others want to blame everything everybody and their mama on it BUT the alcohol

Actually let's ban bullets a gun is completely useless without bullets not one single person has ever been killed by an unloaded gun you could maybe bruise someone if you were to throw a gun at somebody but kill nope

[Cruise]

Ratios don't matter when nearly the same amount of people are DEAD

That makes no sense at all. If something killed 10 000 by one person and another killed 10 000 with 20 000 it shows the first thing is causing an issue.

Guns are being blamed as it makes killing some one so much easier.

[WhiteTim]

That makes no sense at all. If something killed 10 000 by one person and another killed 10 000 with 20 000 it shows the first thing is causing an issue.

Guns are being blamed as it makes killing some one so much easier.

Hey I get it gun deaths are bad must be stopped

Alcohol deaths keep coming it's fine perfectly a ok

Funny I turncon the morning news...

why hey look at that 2 car pile up in North Houston beer cans found in car people's transported to hospital conditions unknown

[Hermione]

We need a stronger laws on both

I'm just sick of blaming guns never the person behind the gun

But when it comes to alcohol you and all others want to blame everything everybody and their mama on it BUT the alcohol

Actually let's ban bullets a gun is completely useless without bullets not one single person has ever been killed by an unloaded gun you could maybe bruise someone if you were to throw a gun at somebody but kill nope

The thing with guns is the experiment has been done and shown to work in other countries. With guns heavily restricted we have a tiny amount of gun crime, virtually no mass shootings, and an overall lower murder rate. Banning these other things that can lead to death hasn't been tested out and shown to work so well, and would also usually be more complicated as the other things (such as alcohol) have more uses other than killing and are also much easier to produce illegally so banning them would have more drawbacks and probably be less likely to be effective.

Are there deaths by other causes that could be prevented in various ways that aren't being tried yet? I'm sure. But for deaths by guns there happens to be a tried and tested way staring at us in the face already. So maybe it'd be a good cause of death to try and tackle.

[WhiteTim]

The thing with guns is the experiment has been done and shown to work in other countries. With guns heavily restricted we have a tiny amount of gun crime, virtually no mass shootings, and an overall lower murder rate. Banning these other things that can lead to death hasn't been tested out and shown to work so well, and would also usually be more complicated as the other things (such as alcohol) have more uses other than killing and are also much easier to produce illegally so banning them would have more drawbacks and probably be less likely to be effective.

Are there deaths by other causes that could be prevented in various ways that aren't being tried yet? I'm sure. But for deaths by guns there happens to be a tried and tested way staring at us in the face already. So maybe it'd be a good cause of death to try and tackle.

Aren't the gun laws you're refering make it to where no one can own a gun but police? Cause yeah that would really be safe in the US...

[Hermione]

Aren't the gun laws you're refering make it to where no one can own a gun but police? Cause yeah that would really be safe in the US...

Actually here the regular police don't have guns. But no I'm not saying that specifically, like I've said before I just think it'd be a good idea to bring in gradually tighter restrictions so that over time there's less and less access to/want for/need for guns, that includes for ordinary people, criminals and people in authority.

[Tubbie Head]

If someone wants to eat meat just let them. I personally do not eat meat, but it's not like I get offended by anyone who eats meat or anything, and I wish all vegetarians/vegans would act like that. Back when I did eat meat, people telling me to stop just pissed me off and I think it's kind of rude to tell people what to eat.

Wow calm down I'm not judging anyone here xD I was just saying there are better options... you do not need to kill animals to survive. It's also rude to use and abuse animals like people do so... You stand for what you believe right? There's nothing wrong with sharing and informing people about these things.

But anyway this is way off topic; please continue to argue about how guns should be legal for all that jazz.

[Spike]

If some of the posts in this thread don't prove the need for guns I don't know what will.

[Libertine Angel]

Hey I get it gun deaths are bad must be stopped

Alcohol deaths keep coming it's fine perfectly a ok

Funny I turncon the morning news...

why hey look at that 2 car pile up in North Houston beer cans found in car people's transported to hospital conditions unknown

Nobody is saying alcohol-related deaths are fine, and I don't know why you think anyone is saying that, because it's obvious that no one is condoning any kind of death. What's being said is that guns are designed expressly for the purpose of killing, whereas alcohol isn't. Besides, the figures are bound to be skewed somewhat because more people own alcohol than guns. Plus there's the effects of Prohibition which have already been mentioned - it was tried once before and actually caused more alcohol-related illness and death, and was a massive boost to organised crime. Gun control has had literally no negative effects.

[Anaïs.]

If some of the posts in this thread don't prove the need for guns I don't know what will.

Actually here the regular police don't have guns.

I feel so much less scared of your police for that very reason. It was so weird for me to see police officers without sidearms on their belts when I first arrived here.

[Libertine Angel]

I feel so much less scared of your police for that very reason. It was so weird for me to see police officers without sidearms on their belts when I first arrived here.

That doesn't mean much - they'll just arrest you for nothing or attack you anyway. Two people can be classified as an unlawful gathering here.

[Anaïs.]

That doesn't mean much - they'll just arrest you for nothing or attack you anyway. Two people can be classified as an unlawful gathering here.

Heh, sounds a bit like home sweet home.

[Z J]

If someone wants to eat meat just let them. I personally do not eat meat, but it's not like I get offended by anyone who eats meat or anything, and I wish all vegetarians/vegans would act like that. Back when I did eat meat, people telling me to stop just pissed me off and I think it's kind of rude to tell people what to eat.

Fucking terrible comparison

How they're almost neck and neck

Please look at Fuzz's post you see the numbers are nearly identical...

But again you really don't give a fuck about the people dying itself you're on a bandwagon pure fucking puppet you are

I eat deer that friends hunt and duck as well

Those numbers do not account for how many use total.

I don't give a fuck about people dying? You're arguing against gun control. Irony, my friend, irony.

If I'm a puppet because I disagree with some Texan on the internet who is willfully ignorant on gun control then so be it.

[WhiteTim]

Nobody is saying alcohol-related deaths are fine, and I don't know why you think anyone is saying that, because it's obvious that no one is condoning any kind of death. What's being said is that guns are designed expressly for the purpose of killing, whereas alcohol isn't. Besides, the figures are bound to be skewed somewhat because more people own alcohol than guns. Plus there's the effects of Prohibition which have already been mentioned - it was tried once before and actually caused more alcohol-related illness and death, and was a massive boost to organised crime. Gun control has had literally no negative effects.

Prohibition doesn't make it not work now as we are in different times...

Fucking terrible comparison

Those numbers do not account for how many use total.

I don't give a fuck about people dying? You're arguing against gun control. Irony, my friend, irony.

If I'm a puppet because I disagree with some Texan on the internet then thank fucking god for being a puppet.

Where have I argued against gun control idiot?

I've said multiple times we need stricter rules

I'm against just banning and getting rid of guns altogether yes but I'm in a huge support to toughen up the laws and ways people obtain them

But I've said that multiple times already clearly you don't read the posts and just signal out what you think is convenient...

And now I'm ignorant first off you don't know me bitch and second until you learn to read don't try to comment to me if you need to ill send some people to you to teach you how to read cause if you did know how to you'd know I have REPEATEDLY spoke in favor of gun control...

[Hermione]

Let's try to be civil to each other, less of the personal remarks please