Queen of Hell Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Green Day is over as a band which was clearly shown by their last tour. They band looked completely out of sync, unenthused, and simply going through the motions. Mike may be the only member who gives a shit about Green Day anymore. I've never seen Tre so bored as he was during the 99Revs tour, and he's probably still pissed at Billie for the rehab stuff, as Billie said in the RS interview. And Billie probably realizes that he is the band at this point and doesn't need the others. The final reason is because the band itself has become restrictive. Billie has shown reluctance to putting his bands name on experimental things. The Tubbies was a fine example of this, and resulted in the best album they've made in 10 years. But Billie was afraid to call it a Green Day album. I think Billie sees this band as restrictive to what he can produce and release. In the RS interview Billie actually says that Mike was theone who was pissed and Tre was scared.* I don't think that Tre is still pissed at Billie (he was at Billie and 80's 20th anniversary, Billie was at his wedding etc) just because the three of them don't post pictures of themselves hanging out everyday, it doesn't mean they don't have contact anymore or hate each other. Speeking of the RS article: Billie says he is always writing guitar riffs and lyrics so I also don't think they have a shortage of material. In my opinion they're just waiting for the right time... and I don't see that coming until Britt has recovered... * I think Tré was scared. Life got real serious there for a while. Mike was fucking pissed. Right when I got home, after [Las Vegas] happened, he said all this stuff. It was everthing within three our four sentences: "You're scaring me. You're fucking up your life. You're fucking up everybody else's life. You need to get your shit together." The great thing is we've known each other for so long that we can be like that without coming to blows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I think at some point you have to ask, "Why?" Sure, the band can continue, but the question lies in what each member answers to the "why?" question. What stock does Tre have in this; what is he hoping to gain? Mike is having severe personal problems that could legitimately change the course of his life and his priorities. And Billie is still moving forward without the band, still playing gigs by himself and experimenting with other artists and even acting. What is left for this band to do? The immediate answer would be to have fun and make music, but as Ceadog pointed out, Billie does most of it himself. I honestly believe these things and I wish I didn't because I love Green Day and I don't ever want this amazing ride to end, but what is left for them to strive for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backyard Skulls Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 The background of what? They're still pretty popular. If you're speaking in comparison to American Idiot, then that's really subjective. I know a few people who like their new albums more than American Idiot. If you're speaking in terms of 'rock music not being mainstream' (which is true), then I suppose they're just in the 'background'. Regardless, I'm sure there are some rock stations you could find on the radio with a ton of people who listen to them. Their concept/theme/story album is what caused an explosion of popularity surrounding them. Like many other people, I absolutely loved that stuff and would hope they continue on with that or try again. I'm not sure if you're implying that the Trilogy has a specific theme, but in my eyes it doesn't. It's just a bunch of songs thrown together on three albums. I'd love to get another story out of a new album, like they did in American Idiot. As someone who loved the Trilogy, I think 90% of the songs on the three albums were really good and I was very pleased with the outcome. Clearly, it didn't satisfy many people on this site. Do you mean 'good' music that is themeless, like in Dookie and Nimrod? I meant they won't be as mainstream as they once were which is fine as they haven't been for a while anyway. I don't personally think it's subjective, American idiot was very successful compared to the trilogy, a lot of people I know didn't even know it had been released or when I told them about it they were surprised they were still around. I love a concept album too. I just felt with 21cb they made the story for the sake of it and it didn't really add anything to the album, unlike American idiot. The trilogy did have a very loose theme of the whole party thing, especially on Dos. Personally I think another full blown rock opera will just feel incredibly forced. I don't mind a concept tying the songs together though. I do like some of the trilogy but I felt there were fewer stand out tracks than on previous releases. Yeah I would just like a good collection of songs, just green day not trying to impress anyone or whatever. Something like nimrod would be nice. Just them having fun and experimenting with styles again but still having some solid lyrics. One of the reasons I didn't like some of the trilogy was the lyrics (not saying I can do better ), they were quite clumsy and strange in some places but yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solongfromthestars Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Green Day is over as a band which was clearly shown by their last tour. They band looked completely out of sync, unenthused, and simply going through the motions. Mike may be the only member who gives a shit about Green Day anymore. I've never seen Tre so bored as he was during the 99Revs tour, and he's probably still pissed at Billie for the rehab stuff, as Billie said in the RS interview. Nah, even if they didn't come back for whatever reason (which I doubt) that's still not true. I went to a lot of gigs on the last tour and they were by far the best they've been. The only big complaints I've heard about the last tour were from people who weren't even at the gigs and judged it from Youtube videos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterThanAir Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I meant they won't be as mainstream as they once were which is fine as they haven't been for a while anyway. I don't personally think it's subjective, American idiot was very successful compared to the trilogy, a lot of people I know didn't even know it had been released or when I told them about it they were surprised they were still around. I love a concept album too. I just felt with 21cb they made the story for the sake of it and it didn't really add anything to the album, unlike American idiot. The trilogy did have a very loose theme of the whole party thing, especially on Dos. Personally I think another full blown rock opera will just feel incredibly forced. I don't mind a concept tying the songs together though. I do like some of the trilogy but I felt there were fewer stand out tracks than on previous releases. Yeah I would just like a good collection of songs, just green day not trying to impress anyone or whatever. Something like nimrod would be nice. Just them having fun and experimenting with styles again but still having some solid lyrics. One of the reasons I didn't like some of the trilogy was the lyrics (not saying I can do better ), they were quite clumsy and strange in some places but yeah. I meant everyone's idea of 'successful' is subjective. I personally think the Trilogy was successful because I liked it and it sold quite a bit. Not as much as their other albums did, but still a considerate amount. I know what you mean though; it wasn't as popular as American Idiot. I disagree. I felt as though 21st Century Breakdown was equally as great and popular as American Idiot. This can clearly be shown during their Awesome as Fuck tour. I mean, I suppose people attended still after knowing American Idiot (the same could possibly be said about the last tour), but their lyrics in that album were of the same quality. I don't see it as them trying to impress anyone. I see it as them taking advantage of their popularity and trying out different things, and I believe they 'tried things out and had fun' making the trilogy. It was unlike their previous style, I suppose, but it was something new. I'm definitely not trying to step on any toes here, but first you claimed to not want any themed albums and then said you liked them. Why is that? And this does not apply to you, Backyard Skulls, but I detest people who claim they want Green Day to do something new and original and when they give it a shot, countless 'flaws' are pointed out, criticisms are made and it's deemed 'not as good as American Idiot'. People want something new and original, and some people want themed albums and some don't, but many people want it to be just like previous albums (i.e American Idiot, Dookie, and Nimrod). Those were all great albums, but why should a band replicate the same albums over and over? I'm not sitting here saying, "OH a real fan would stick by and love all of their music!", but I am saying their effort should be appreciated a bit more. The fact that they've had so much 'success' from multiple albums is already a huge accomplishment. It just reminds me of like how I will always look at Daniel Radcliffe and think 'Harry Potter.' I'll always have that idea of him and compare him to his previous performances, and I really shouldn't because I'm sure he's great at other things to. I think they definitely have the potential to come up with an album that will be as popular as American Idiot and if not, it doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Nah, even if they didn't come back for whatever reason (which I doubt) that's still not true. I went to a lot of gigs on the last tour and they were by far the best they've been. The only big complaints I've heard about the last tour were from people who weren't even at the gigs and judged it from Youtube videos. I went to a gig. Best they've ever been? Someone missed the AI and 21CB tours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermione Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 37 songs and not one writing credit for Mike or Tré just sounds plain wrong to me. If they were having so much fun recording the album and doing all these new things and expanding their musical horizons, then why were 2 (or even 3) members of the band completely left out of the writing process? They weren't, it's lyrics by Billie Joe and music by Green Day.......exactly the same as all their other albums. Aside from the occasional song or half a song Billie writes the lyrics and the whole band write the music. That's always been the case and hasn't changed. Not sure why you solely blame Billie for issues you have with their music when the three of them are credited equally for writing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertine Angel Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I went to a gig. Best they've ever been? Someone missed the AI and 21CB tours. A single gig isn't enough to judge an entire tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwise Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Some people are talkin' out of their tuckus in this thread. We've had no indication at all that they're not coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solongfromthestars Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I went to a gig. Best they've ever been? Someone missed the AI and 21CB tours. I saw them more times on the 21CB tour, which was great but the last was even better, so no I'm probably just feeding the troll but yeah what Jimmy said, one gig isn't enough to judge anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inthehallwaynow Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 but what is left for them to strive for? nothing.. I heard they aren't together anymore.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DookieLukie Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I saw them more times on the 21CB tour, which was great but the last was even better, so no I'm probably just feeding the troll but yeah what Jimmy said, one gig isn't enough to judge anyway. Liking 21CB tour better tyan 99Revs tour = troll? Lol wow ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HARVESTER Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I feel depressed because I am not hearing any Green Day music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero_Of_The_Hour Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 This thread is...interesting...I will say I agree with some of you, disagree with others and think some are fools Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNICORN VOMIT Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I think at some point you have to ask, "Why?" Sure, the band can continue, but the question lies in what each member answers to the "why?" question. What stock does Tre have in this; what is he hoping to gain? Mike is having severe personal problems that could legitimately change the course of his life and his priorities. And Billie is still moving forward without the band, still playing gigs by himself and experimenting with other artists and even acting. What is left for this band to do? The immediate answer would be to have fun and make music, but as Ceadog pointed out, Billie does most of it himself. I honestly believe these things and I wish I didn't because I love Green Day and I don't ever want this amazing ride to end, but what is left for them to strive for? My point is they don't need anything particular to strive for they have done it - they do it because they want to make music & perform - the Rolling Stones are currently touring - they don't need to for any reason other than they love it. I personally hope GD don't think they can achieve the same heights as before because that will seriously do their heads in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen of Hell Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Back to the argument about Tre, Billie and Mike not being that close anymore: Is it just me or were they having fun together??????? OMG is there a posibility that they are still friends? What a shocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Dude Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 They will. But these months and years between Green Day news is torture! Also, I have this idea for a Green Day music video where all four of the guys are attached to spinning wheels while singing/playing. Maybe getting things thrown at them or something. But yes, this next time around should be their next big come back. Maybe a double album...with a brand new sound, brand new direction. Completely different than anything they've ever tried before. Darker, more twisted. It would be awesome if the album started with Mike Dirnt singing the quote from the end of American Idiot: And that was that. Or so it seemed. Is this the end Or the beginning? All I know is, She was right. I am an idiot. It’s even on my birth certificate. In so many words. This is my rage This is my love This is my town This is my city This is my life Or maybe Tre...or Jason? Someone other than Billie Joe just screaming out these words. And then the music explodes. St. Jimmy's dead and Jesus is too! This is real life...Then Billie Joe screams for like 50 seconds and the greatest album of all time begins!!!!!!!! Billie could explore more screaming vocals or even crying in some of the songs. Less swearing, more anger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HARVESTER Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Jesus is not dead. Get happy! Green Day is alive too! As long as they are alive, there is hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HARVESTER Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Look at Kerrang! http://mattgrocott.com/%C2"'> I found out from someone on the Idiot Nation forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNICORN VOMIT Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 They will. But these months and years between Green Day news is torture! Also, I have this idea for a Green Day music video where all four of the guys are attached to spinning wheels while singing/playing. Maybe getting things thrown at them or something. But yes, this next time around should be their next big come back. Maybe a double album...with a brand new sound, brand new direction. Completely different than anything they've ever tried before. Darker, more twisted. It would be awesome if the album started with Mike Dirnt singing the quote from the end of American Idiot: And that was that. Or so it seemed. Is this the end Or the beginning? All I know is, She was right. I am an idiot. It’s even on my birth certificate. In so many words. This is my rage This is my love This is my town This is my city This is my life Or maybe Tre...or Jason? Someone other than Billie Joe just screaming out these words. And then the music explodes. St. Jimmy's dead and Jesus is too! This is real life...Then Billie Joe screams for like 50 seconds and the greatest album of all time begins!!!!!!!! Billie could explore more screaming vocals or even crying in some of the songs. Less swearing, more anger. Love your passion - agreed with more anger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peppermint butler Posted November 7, 2014 Author Share Posted November 7, 2014 They will. But these months and years between Green Day news is torture! Also, I have this idea for a Green Day music video where all four of the guys are attached to spinning wheels while singing/playing. Maybe getting things thrown at them or something. But yes, this next time around should be their next big come back. Maybe a double album...with a brand new sound, brand new direction. Completely different than anything they've ever tried before. Darker, more twisted. It would be awesome if the album started with Mike Dirnt singing the quote from the end of American Idiot: And that was that. Or so it seemed. Is this the end Or the beginning? All I know is, She was right. I am an idiot. It’s even on my birth certificate. In so many words. This is my rage This is my love This is my town This is my city This is my life Or maybe Tre...or Jason? Someone other than Billie Joe just screaming out these words. And then the music explodes. St. Jimmy's dead and Jesus is too! This is real life...Then Billie Joe screams for like 50 seconds and the greatest album of all time begins!!!!!!!! Billie could explore more screaming vocals or even crying in some of the songs. Less swearing, more anger. those lyrics... Can i use those?? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE THE X-KID Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 I like the idea of a new direction, and a darker and angrier sound. But I don't think they should reference American Idiot. I personally see each album as it's own body of work, and mixing other themes and ideas from other albums would ruin that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peppermint butler Posted November 8, 2014 Author Share Posted November 8, 2014 I like the idea of a new direction, and a darker and angrier sound. But I don't think they should reference Anerican Idiot. I personally see each album as it's own body of work, and mixing other themes and ideas from other albums would ruin that. yeah.... no need to reference Anerican idiot .... american idiot's alright to reference though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterThanAir Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 I like the idea of a new direction, and a darker and angrier sound. But I don't think they should reference Anerican Idiot. I personally see each album as it's own body of work, and mixing other themes and ideas from other albums would ruin that. I completely agree. People will always recognize someone/something mainstream for it's/his/her most popular thing. Like I said before, how people will always relate Daniel Radcliffe to Harry Potter because that was his most popular role and what he's well known for. Green Day is best known for American Idiot and I don't think people should base everything they do off of that. They have other things to offer and other things they'd like to put out there. yeah.... no need to reference Anerican idiot .... american idiots alright to reference though. Huehuehue, trying to make someone look stupid over an honest and reasonable spelling mistake...cute. The point made was still valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peppermint butler Posted November 9, 2014 Author Share Posted November 9, 2014 Huehuehue, trying to make someone look stupid over an honest and reasonable spelling mistake...cute. The point made was still valid. Huehuehue,trying to make me feel remorseful for seeing a very reasonable grammatical error and playing on the fact that there was an error to begin with. ...I'd say cute but it isnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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