Blasphemy & Genocide: Unpopular Green Day Opinions, Part 2

[youngreendayvet]

I agree. Brutal Love is indeed brutal.

Brutal love isn't horrible. It's better thank know your enemy (their worst song in my opinion. only one i dislike on that album.) Brutal love isn't a GD corner stone but it's catchy to me at least.

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

I feel like this thread is such a circular conversation.

But yes, I've never listened to 21CB completely from front-to-back and I rarely willingly listen to most of its songs. I like a handful of them, but it really does little to nothing for me on an emotional level. I think it's due, in part, because it was American Idiot's successor, but I also feel like the entire album is just too bloated and overdone.

[Anaïs.]

I feel like this thread is such a circular conversation.

But yes, I've never listened to 21CB completely from front-to-back and I rarely willingly listen to most of its songs. I like a handful of them, but it really does little to nothing for me on an emotional level. I think it's due, in part, because it was American Idiot's successor, but I also feel like the entire album is just too bloated and overdone.

I won't bother trying to change your mind, I've done it countless times with Lukie. But basically, while I agree it's a step down from AI, I'm firmly convinced it needs that sprawling quality, and the production is just staggeringly good for the most part. Also EJN.

[Haushinka!]

I was just watching the Dookie documentary from years ago and I wish they would just go back to basics with their production or sound quality. Lose the filters and whatever else that is making music sound so "polished" these days. In reference to Dookie, Billie said, "We wanted to really capture the energy of what we do live...500$ recording, that style, and put it on a big budget." I think he summed it up perfectly. That's the sound I would love to hear again in their next album.

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

I won't bother trying to change your mind, I've done it countless times with Lukie. But basically, while I agree it's a step down from AI, I'm firmly convinced it needs that sprawling quality, and the production is just staggeringly good for the most part. Also EJN.

I'll admit I've probably never given it a fair shot, but I'll also admit I likely won't change my mind.

Also, DookieLukie and I agree on something?!

[Anaïs.]

I'll admit I've probably never given it a fair shot, but I'll also admit I likely won't change my mind.

Also, DookieLukie and I agree on something?!

Stopped clocks and all that, I guess. Except not, as you're both wrong.

[WhiteTim]

And the melody of the half that's borrowed is better than the half Billie wrote, which is embarrassing.

Well it's hard to out do the great Sam Cooke

[Dalya]

I don't like the trilogy...

because fuck you that's why

[bagelfeet]

I don't like the trilogy...

because fuck you that's why

well this isn't new

[Spike]

And the melody of the half that's borrowed is better than the half Billie wrote, which is embarrassing.

It's really not. The ending is probably my favourite Green Day melody of all time.

[Jax Teller]

I don't like the trilogy...

because fuck you that's why

Unpopular opinion...?

[Jax Teller]

It's really not. The ending is probably my favourite Green Day melody of all time.

I don't understand what's the big deal with the "borrowed" melody in Brutal Love. The song is good and that's enough for me.

Green Day have "borrowed" melodies plenty of times but with Brutal Love the reactions of some people are like "Oh why he borrowd a melody of a song, this is crazy!!".

[The Disappearing Boy]

The melody of the Sam Cooke song is brilliant - so why not borrow it? They made it their own and made it into a brilliant song - easily the best of the Trilogy.

[Guest]

Brutal Love was an amazing closer and I will fight anyone who says otherwise IRL.

[Hermione]

At Brixton they closed with Brutal Love AND then Good Riddance. Best closing ever

Also Brutal Love might be my all time favourite Green Day song (rivaled only by Longview and East Jesus Nowhere). It's just beautiful and whether it contains elements of another song is irrelevant to my enjoyment of it.

[Chin for a Day]

Brutal Love was an amazing closer and I will fight anyone who says otherwise IRL.

I'll help. I didn't see the Trilogy tour, I just love the song.

[Libertine Angel]

And the melody of the half that's borrowed is better than the half Billie wrote, which is embarrassing.

I like Brutal Love, but I agree that it does fall down a bit towards the end.

When Tré first came out, my dad had just learned to play Bring It On Home To Me, so then hearing it open the album was a rather surprising coincidence.

[Z J]

Brutal Love is the best song off the trilogy, imo.

It is a bit abstract with the lyrics so I can understand not liking that, but I think they perfectly capture the relationship between fans and himself. The raw emotion he puts in to the song live surpasses ANY song from the trilogy, and is perhaps only rivaled by Wake Me Up When September Ends in that category. It just adds a whole new dynamic to the lyrics. The song builds slowly into this brilliant release of energy, featuring some of the best notes Billie hits in the trilogy.

[Guest]

Actually never thought of Brutal Love as a song about Billie's relationship with his fans and now my mind is blown.

[Z J]

Actually never thought of Brutal Love as a song about Billie's relationship with his fans and now my mind is blown.

I'll be here all week

[DookieLukie]

Brutal Love is the best song off the trilogy, imo.

It is a bit abstract with the lyrics so I can understand not liking that, but I think they perfectly capture the relationship between fans and himself. The raw emotion he puts in to the song live surpasses ANY song from the trilogy, and is perhaps only rivaled by Wake Me Up When September Ends in that category. It just adds a whole new dynamic to the lyrics. The song builds slowly into this brilliant release of energy, featuring some of the best notes Billie hits in the trilogy.

Can you elaborate a bit? I'm interested.

[Z J]

Can you elaborate a bit? I'm interested.

Sure, for example

"Turn out the lights

Close your eyes

Turn up the silence

The heartache of your life

Dance forever

Under the lights

This brutal love"

When I hear these words I think of how going to a concert can be a cathartic event for people. We temporarily block out reality (heartache of your life) and indulge in this relationship with the artist (brutal love). But it is often an unrequited love, because the artist doesn't know you specifically exist, really. Which explains the next verse:

"Oh how you want it

You're begging for it

But you can't have it

Even if you try

It's in the clutches

In the hands of

This brutal love"

And so on

[DookieLukie]

"Oh how you want it

You're begging for it

But you can't have it

Even if you try

It's in the clutches

In the hands of

This brutal love"

Does this verse refer to a new album?

[BilIie Joe Armstrong]

Drop-dead hideous = Trilogy.

This theory makes sense.

[Certified Nimrod]

Guess what?! I just made it through the Trilogy, one by one, front to back, not skipping one single song! YEAH! Probably for the first time. Even more - it supported my housework, and I really enjoyed it. Now the kitchen is clean and the floor as well.

Time to clean your ears!