Clean Cut Asshole Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 They're not bad at releasing b-sides. They haven't released proper b-sides since the "Know Your Enemy" single though.
Mayonaise Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 I'd take Shenanigans over most of their discography any day. That includes American Idiot. Kill me if you feel like it.
JOE THE X-KID Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 I still wanna hear that Jam in the deleted scenes of Cuatro, its probably not even a song but it sounds beautiful.
Guest Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 They're not bad at releasing b-sides. They haven't released proper b-sides since the "Know Your Enemy" single though. > not bad at releasing b-sides > have released less than 20 b-sides in their entire 25 year career
Spike Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 It kind of annoyed me how they put Hitchin' A Ride out as a b-side on WMUWSE. Like where the hell did that come from?
Clean Cut Asshole Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 > not bad at releasing b-sides > have released less than 20 b-sides in their entire 25 year career For every album except the trilogy they've had like 3 non-album tracks or so, I don't consider that bad. It kind of annoyed me how they put Hitchin' A Ride out as a b-side on WMUWSE. Like where the hell did that come from? Yeah, totally, that was all fucked up!
Anaïs. Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 You are correct, we need more released B-sides. There was a whole albums worth of them from the trilogy I don't think I want to hear songs that even Billie thought were too substandard to be on Dos.
Chin for a Day Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 I don't think I want to hear songs that even Billie thought were too substandard to be on Dos. Maybe they would have been better off picking the ones billie didn't wan .
UNICORN VOMIT Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 I would love to know how equal or not the decision making really is.
Hermione Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 I'd love to know on what basis people think they know that Billie decides everything.
Chin for a Day Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 I'd love to know on what basis people think they know that Billie decides everything. I have to agree with you. I don't know why people think he would be a little dictator. Everything I've ever read, the whole process seems like a collaborative effort. IF it was that bad, Mike and Tre could have gone elsewhere. And, if Mike and Tre are really letting Billie get away with that much it reflects badly on Mike and Tre as well.
Hermione Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 I have to agree with you. I don't know why people think he would be a little dictator. Everything I've ever read, the whole process seems like a collaborative effort. IF it was that bad, Mike and Tre could have gone elsewhere. And, if Mike and Tre are really letting Billie get away with that much it reflects badly on Mike and Tre as well. Yeah, like, they're literally best friends so I think they can all have input. Plus on Cuatro you even see them all deciding what songs to put on what album. In recent times some GDCers have decided he dictates everything for some reason but I see no evidence of it
Anaïs. Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 I'd love to know on what basis people think they know that Billie decides everything. I didn't mean to imply he decides everything, just that he's obviously a big part of the decision-making process.
That Dude Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 Yeah, like, they're literally best friends so I think they can all have input. Plus on Cuatro you even see them all deciding what songs to put on what album. In recent times some GDCers have decided he dictates everything for some reason but I see no evidence of it Back in the American Idiot days they talked a lot about how the band almost split up because Billie was like a crazed dictator. They did band therapy and talked to each other instead of acting like 40 year old teenagers which is what had been going on. They worked it out and I think the end result was that, while Billie Joe is the 'leader', there is more of a balance. On an interesting note, each album since American Idiot has had lead vocals by Mike, which is always a treat. It is obvious that since the early 2000's, the band has overcome whatever problems they had with each other. Sure some new ones have came up, but I think Dictator Billie Joe is a thing of the past.
Chin for a Day Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 Back in the American Idiot days they talked a lot about how the band almost split up because Billie was like a crazed dictator. They did band therapy and talked to each other instead of acting like 40 year old teenagers which is what had been going on. They worked it out and I think the end result was that, while Billie Joe is the 'leader', there is more of a balance. On an interesting note, each album since American Idiot has had lead vocals by Mike, which is always a treat. It is obvious that since the early 2000's, the band has overcome whatever problems they had with each other. Sure some new ones have came up, but I think Dictator Billie Joe is a thing of the past. I remember reading an article about what happened pre-AI and what I remember was that it was Billie that made everyone sit down and talk. He was the one trying to get things resolved. I just don't see how he can be blamed for being a dictator. If he was really that bad, Mike and Tre could have gone elsewhere. If he was that bad, and they let him get away with it, shame on them. Whatever problems the band had cannot be blamed on Billie alone, it was all of them. Plus, compared to other bands, their problems seem pretty small or they just have the ability and desire to work them out.
Hermione Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 I didn't mean to imply he decides everything, just that he's obviously a big part of the decision-making process. Your post on its own didn't really imply it to be fair, there does seem to be a general common belief that he's in charge of or somehow suppressing Mike and Tre in recent times and tendency to refer to decisions as being made by Billie rather than the band as a whole on here recently though. Back in the American Idiot days they talked a lot about how the band almost split up because Billie was like a crazed dictator. They did band therapy and talked to each other instead of acting like 40 year old teenagers which is what had been going on. They worked it out and I think the end result was that, while Billie Joe is the 'leader', there is more of a balance. On an interesting note, each album since American Idiot has had lead vocals by Mike, which is always a treat. It is obvious that since the early 2000's, the band has overcome whatever problems they had with each other. Sure some new ones have came up, but I think Dictator Billie Joe is a thing of the past. They had problems but as far as I remember it was just like you say that they all realized they were being dicks to each other, still talking to each other like they were teenagers, and that they should show each other a bit more respect. Part of that was recognizing that Billie wrote all the songs and did the most, but it didn't come across like a dictator thing the way they described it, more that they wanted to recognize the roles that already naturally existed and work through their issues. But yeah I definitely haven't seen any indication that he's any kind of dictator now.
Guest Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 37 songs. The most creative and fun thing the band has done, according to the band themselves. Everyone was free to do and contribute whatever they liked. 37 songs written and performed by Billie Joe Armstrong. 1 line of one song performed by Mike Dirnt. Definitely not The Billie Joe Show. Nope.
Hermione Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 37 songs. The most creative and fun thing the band has done, according to the band themselves. Everyone was free to do and contribute whatever they liked. 37 songs written and performed by Billie Joe Armstrong. 1 line of one song performed by Mike Dirnt. Definitely not The Billie Joe Show. Nope. How is that different to any of their other albums? Billie writes all the lyrics, check, all three of them write all the music, check, Mike and/or Tre sing on 0-1 songs, check. It's the same as usual.
Guest Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 How is that different to any of their other albums? Billie writes all the lyrics, check, all three of them write all the music, check, Mike and/or Tre sing on 0-1 songs, check. It's the same as usual. The entire band went out of their way to emphasise how fun and liberating it was to do whatever they liked on the Trilogy. Apparently that meant either they did exactly the same as they always did, or BJ just thought all their stuff was shit and got rid of it.
Chin for a Day Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 The entire band went out of their way to emphasise how fun and liberating it was to do whatever they liked on the Trilogy. Apparently that meant either they did exactly the same as they always did, or BJ just thought all their stuff was shit and got rid of it. And if they let him get away with it, that is their problem. Mike could have easily thrown him to the ground and beat the shit out of him. Hell, I can beat the shit out of him.
Hermione Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 The entire band went out of their way to emphasise how fun and liberating it was to do whatever they liked on the Trilogy. Apparently that meant either they did exactly the same as they always did, or BJ just thought all their stuff was shit and got rid of it. Pretty sure they've always done what they liked. Which is be in a band with Mike as the bassist, Tre as the drummer, and Billie as the guitarist, singer and songwriter. Why would they have to change the set up they've always chosen to work with in order to prove they were having fun and liberated? They kept the structure of the band the same as usual therefore they weren't having fun and Billie was a dictator? Sorry but I don't see the logic. You know that Billie, Mike and Tre are all credited for writing the music on the trilogy right? They contributed the same as they always do. They just didn't write the lyrics, which is again the same as always since Billie is the band's lyricist. Every Green Day album including the trilogy (aside from like one song on some of them) = lyrics by Billie and music by Green Day. I'm not sure why you'd think all their stuff was gotten rid of when it's credited exactly the same.
That Dude Posted February 12, 2015 Posted February 12, 2015 37 songs. The most creative and fun thing the band has done, according to the band themselves. Everyone was free to do and contribute whatever they liked. 37 songs written and performed by Billie Joe Armstrong. 1 line of one song performed by Mike Dirnt. Definitely not The Billie Joe Show. Nope. Billie writes most of the lyrics, but the music is written with all four members, working out song structure by jamming together and putting together the pieces. As the board has seen recently, I enjoy making lists. So here's a list of all lyrics that where other members had writing credits: I Was There The One I Want 2000 Light Years Away (well, other people helped write it) Dominated Love Slave Best Thing in Town Eminuis Sleepus All By Myself Panic Song (Mike and Billie wrote lyrics) Misery Homecoming Nightlife (again, an outsider) In my research, I saw this: Up until Nimrod, the other band members wrote at least one or two song lyrics. Nimrod they didn't write any. On Warning there was one song with lyrics by the whole band. American Idiot had one with lyrics by the whole band, and then nothing by them from 21st Century Breakdown all the way through the Trilogy. We went three albums without hearing anyone else take lead vocals with Insomniac, Nimrod and Warning. So most recently, we've gotten less writing from the other guys, but just a little bit more vocals. I would definitely like to hear some more Mike and Tre songs. A serious Tre song would be the absolute coolest (no pun intended) treat ever.
Christian's Inferno! Posted June 6, 2015 Posted June 6, 2015 Do the Bonus tracks on AI and 21CB count as B-sides? I like most of their B-sides and bonus tracks although there probably are a couple I don't really care for like I Wanna Be On TV or That's All Right.
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