Why are Green Day so bad at B-sides?

[WhiteTim]

I think people call Dos a Foxie album cause that's what Billie described it as that

Only a few tracks would work on a Foxies album Fuck Time Stray Heart (if SH wouldnt work then neither does Mother Mary...) Makeout Party Wow Thats Loud and some extent Wild One and Lady Cobra

[The Disappearing Boy]

I'm not complaining about quality, it's the staggering lack of quantity that concerns me. We're constantly told that Billie never stops writing, but unless his songwriting abilities are vastly exaggerated, we see buggerall of his output.

Also fuck you Lights Out is my favourite b-side of theirs

Yeah there definitely needs to be more b sides. As for Lights Out:

[Spike]

i'll ignore the Christians Inferno jab!

but again, you make good points. Chillis are so hit and miss, i love some of their stuff but so much is effin crap. it's so bad. it's as if they just want to release as much as they can and hope the fans eat it up. where-as with GD, they only release what they KNOW fans will like. yeah, the Trilogy is the exception there. it's half pure quality, half b-sides, but even then they're fucking amazing 'b-sides'. i realise that this probably makes no sense at all but i'm ok with that

Christian's Inferno would probably be ok if it was another band, or on another album. It'd work well as a Dead Kennedys song. But I've never thought it sits well at all on 21CB, and I expect better from Green Day.

Yeah, it's kind of like... Why bother writing 50 songs and picking the best 10-20 for an album then release them all anyway? It's missing the point somewhat. I'm sure there are some songs that Billie would be absolutely mortified at the idea of us hearing them.

[Beezey]

Would personally enjoy listening to more Punk inspired b-sides than sexually explict songs that just only fuel heated discussions ......when you listen to track after track etc either on album you usually tend to find hidden gems....bet there are loads of hidden punk gems that could be released.

[JOE THE X-KID]

id really love to hear all the trilogy b sides, it would make my life

[Guest]

Because they recorded 40 songs as apposed to the 20 released plus i remember Simon or James saying in an interview that they recorded a hell of a lot of songs and cut them down to the track list we know of so that they're not having to play and rehearse 40 new songs for live performances and that the rest of the songs will be released eventually. That's the beauty of b-sides, you don't have to play them live but you can still release them. Green Day hardly ever talk about non-album tracks.

The beauty of Biffy is that they do play them live

Would personally enjoy listening to more Punk inspired b-sides than sexually explict songs that just only fuel heated discussions ......when you listen to track after track etc either on album you usually tend to find hidden gems....bet there are loads of hidden punk gems that could be released.

Stray Heart was a lovey dovey sweet song and it caused far more heated discussion than anything like Makeout Party or Fuck Time.

id really love to hear all the trilogy b sides, it would make my life

Assuming you've heard the trilogy, you've heard all the b-sides

Also, I dunno how this FBHT convo came about but Stop Drop And Roll!!! is so much better than Dos it's not even funny.

[Todd]

Green Day only wants to release songs that they actually like. And most songs that they actually like they put on albums. They don't want to be known for crap songs, so they don't put out their crap songs

[Beezey]

The beauty of Biffy is that they do play them live

Stray Heart was a lovey dovey sweet song and it caused far more heated discussion than anything like Makeout Party or Fuck Time.

Assuming you've heard the trilogy, you've heard all the b-sides

Also, I dunno how this FBHT convo came about but Stop Drop And Roll!!! is so much better than Dos it's not even funny.

Stop Drop and Roll is a catchy track. Stray Heart did cause alot of problems with assumptions and some fans on other threads and websites where having a heated discussion on Makeout Party and Lady cobra etc....and of course Oh Love music video. And there is that notorious Lady Cobra song "news" item on Huffington Post. More Punk Inspired B-sides maybe. It would be interesting to hear more songs.

Green Day only wants to release songs that they actually like. And most songs that they actually like they put on albums. They don't want to be known for crap songs, so they don't put out their crap songs

God only knows how crap their songs get...then...

I love to hear more Tre Cool inspired Punk Pathetique songs (a proper genre of punk centring around comedy songs especially ones that are rude) B-sides. Every time I hear one I laugh my a** off. Like a Rat Does Cheese is one of my many favourites and Dominated Love Slave and of course All By Myself.

[Spike]

Stop Drop and Roll is a catchy track. Stray Heart did cause alot of problems with assumptions and some fans on other threads and websites where having a heated discussion on Makeout Party and Lady cobra etc....and of course Oh Love music video. And there is that notorious Lady Cobra song "news" item on Huffington Post. More Punk Inspired B-sides maybe. It would be interesting to hear more songs.

Huffington Post's response to Dos was hilarious in general. Apparently See You Tonight was disappointing and unlike anything Green Day have ever done before. Erm, hello Song Of The Century.

[Guest]

i swear to god if anyone brings up the Lady Cobra suspicions i may cut a bitch

[DookieLukie]

Green Day only wants to release songs that they actually like. And most songs that they actually like they put on albums. They don't want to be known for crap songs, so they don't put out their crap songs

Then why'd they release 21CB?

[WhiteTim]

Then why'd they release 21CB?

Cause it's a great album

[Spike]

Then why'd they release 21CB?

I can only assume you've never heard it, then?

[Certified Nimrod]

If a song is good, record it. It's not like money is an issue to them.

Plus Billie has a recording studio in his house

[Guest]

They don't want to be known for crap songs, so they don't put out their crap songs

That whole Trilogy thing really passed you by, didn't it?

[Beezey]

I can only assume you've never heard it, then?

Then why'd they release 21CB?

Since I generally have alot of time on my hands, I listened to the album back to back a couple of years ago and there where alot of good tracks but sometimes I felt bit bored. And when its time was a previously unreleased song and released. I think the song is now included in American Idiot. I think they also include some B-side on singles. When its Time is not one of my favourite tracks at all.

Maybe they just want to disgard ones that dont measure up and include the ones they feel are good enough.

Some 21CBD tracks are good and I think I would love to hear other rock bands cover some of the songs off of that album and I also felt that Rebecca/The American Idiot cast did a good version of 21 Guns. There could be some Green Day songs that could sound good with a female vocalist.

[Tubbie Head]

They should totally release more b-sides! Even if they're covers like a bunch from 21stCBD. I'm a bit disappointed we didn't get any from the trilogy.

I think the reason might be that they're perfectionists and protective of all of their songs, and if they think that one song isn't so good, then they'd probably want to make it better and keep it/ make changes, to release in the future albums (which is what they've been doing with a bunch of songs already).

[Guest]

The "Green Day are perfectionists" argument is a bit daft in my eyes, because the Trilogy exists. There's at most 10 perfect songs out of 37 on those 3 albums, the rest needed serious reworking.

[Spike]

The "Green Day are perfectionists" argument is a bit daft in my eyes, because the Trilogy exists. There's at most 10 perfect songs out of 37 on those 3 albums, the rest needed serious reworking.

I think the point is the songs are perfect in their eyes. I doubt they've ever released anything they don't truly believe in. But of course it's our right to completely disagree with their opinions!

[Beezey]

The "Green Day are perfectionists" argument is a bit daft in my eyes, because the Trilogy exists. There's at most 10 perfect songs out of 37 on those 3 albums, the rest needed serious reworking.

Think I agree - and there where some lryic amendment in some of the songs could have helped and some songs needed to be cut in length. A few of the lryics in some of the songs seem really weird and Drama Queen....."old enough to bleed now" needs taken out or changed. Some of the lyrics sound really creepy. Angel Blue and Baby Eyes etc too. I cringed hearing some cos it here is a song in the trilogy that sounds really really creepy. Walk Away sounds like it could be accoustic track.

There are a few lyric lines that I am like "do you release how that sounds?"....There are some songs I think could be helped with a bit of tweeking cos they got the catchy guitars and drums and bass and a line is sung and its like "eeeek!!!!" -

[Tubbie Head]

The "Green Day are perfectionists" argument is a bit daft in my eyes, because the Trilogy exists. There's at most 10 perfect songs out of 37 on those 3 albums, the rest needed serious reworking.

Yes, but that all comes to opinions.

I don't think that they would have released all of those songs if they didn't think they were good enough to make it to the record! Also, the trilogy is the first album that doesn't follow a story-line in years... So It must have been much easier to decide whether or not to fit the songs they had written in the trilogy.

[Beezey]

Yes, but that all comes to opinions.

I don't think that they would have released all of those songs if they didn't think they were good enough to make it to the record! Also, the trilogy is the first album that doesn't follow a story-line in years... So It must have been much easier to decide whether or not to fit the songs they had written in the trilogy.

Possibly. It seemed like here was some type of theme though. They could have easily condensed the tracklist down to 14-21 tracks and it would still be good and there would be no way of any lineral theme etc running through it. Some of the explict songs, I feel just invades all the other songs. Yes, Billie you may" need the Friction" and you maybe given to go-ahead about writing about finding a stranger.....but seriously? Maybe I am just Btthurt cos I dont like the theme of it. I just dont think that crude songs fit at all. Crude explict songs just dont work under Green Day. But I just could be butthurt due not liking crude sexual words etc. I think that some could have been taken out and some other songs included. I dont remember Green Day being crude and explict about sex (with others) - maybe in private - I hear them and they are like an unnessary invasion of a collection of punk songs. Some could have been taken and pulled to B-sides. I get really disgusted actually. Not a fan of that type of chat at all. Thats why I kept on saying how I think some could been pulled under FHTs and then depersonalised as it would just a meaningless unpersonal themed Garage Rock. What to listen to more Punk B-sides not songs that speak to the person/imaginary person like a common Hooker.

[Guest]

Possibly. It seemed like here was some type of theme though. They could have easily condensed the tracklist down to 14-21 tracks and it would still be good and there would be no way of any lineral theme etc running through it. Some of the explict songs, I feel just invades all the other songs. Yes, Billie you may" need the Friction" and you maybe given to go-ahead about writing about finding a stranger.....but seriously? Maybe I am just Btthurt cos I dont like the theme of it. I just dont think that crude songs fit at all. Crude explict songs just dont work under Green Day. But I just could be butthurt due not liking crude sexual words etc. I think that some could have been taken out and some other songs included. I dont remember Green Day being crude and explict - maybe in private - I hear them and they are like an unnessary invasion of a collection of punk songs. Some could have been taken and pulled to B-sides. I get really disgusted actually. Not a fan of that type of chat at all. Thats why I kept on saying how I think some could been pulled under FHTs and then depersonalised as it would just a meaningless unpersonal themed Garage Rock. What to listen to more Punk B-sides not songs that speak to the person/imaginary person like a common Hooker.

You keep saying punk. Green Day aren't punk.

[Spike]

I think the sleazy songs are just meant to be a bit of fun. It's rock n roll innit. There's no way Fuck Time is meant to be taken seriously.

[Beezey]

You keep saying punk. Green Day aren't punk.

They where punk - came from Punk - their orgin and subculture. Alternative? 90s Journalist Label or that one the 2000s journalists gave them???