"After The Disappointment of "Uno!, Dos!, Tre!" has Green Day Lost Some of Their Popularity?"

[Guest Trotsky]

ATM, the average radio listener can't handle a song that's more than 5 minutes. Even JoS was edited I believe.

Would be awesome

They can edit Dirty Rotten Bastards.If they remove a few "yeah" and "carried away" they can make it a radio single.It's the best song of Tre.

[belinda jane]

ATM, the average radio listener can't handle a song that's more than 5 minutes. Even JoS was edited I believe.

Would be awesome

They even edited 21 Guns over here. It's absolutely ridiculous, which is why I never listen to the radio.

[Guest Trotsky]

They even edited 21 Guns over here. It's absolutely ridiculous, which is why I never listen to the radio.

Yeah it's ridiculous but it's a way to promote a song.

[belinda jane]

Yeah it's ridiculous but it's a way to promote a song.

And I totally understand that, but what really annoys me is that when 21CB was released, they played the entire album front to back on the radio.

[Dirntbag]

Wow, being back in the studio so soon is crazy, but I think that artists are sort of working all the time even if it's not for other people's enjoyment. I mean musicians will release and play music for years and keep adapting the lyrics. Art is kind of a fluid, continuous process to me, and that's what Green Day may be doing here, or it might be totally original.

As for the trilogy, I do agree that it was a commercial flop, and creatively I wasn't as impressed as I had been in the past, but I know that Green Day worked very hard on the album and put a lot of real feelings in to it. They came out with some great songs and some not so great ones and being in a band is all about experimentation and courageousness which Green Day has mastered.

I'm really looking forward to a new Green Day album. Maybe they've lost some of their popularity, but look at Warning and imagine how much popularity they lost then only to come out with American Idiot. Bands can't be great and new all the time, but something that's never going to change is Green Day's personality and their ingenuity in their music.

[michael1989]

This disappointing sales is clearly linked to lack of promotion rather than the quality of the material.

Around the release of UNO, Green Day did various promotional events and this had a positive influence on sales - Uno got off to a decent start sales wise, but quickly dropped off the charts because promo eventually stopped. The other two albums had almost no publicity and this was reflected in the lackluster sales.

As for material, there was LOADS of potential commercial hits - 99 Revolutions, Stay the Night, Stray Heart, Let Yourself Go, Kill the DJ, X-Kid, etc.

Still think they should put out a new single - could be from any of the albums. Follow it up with a few performances on talk shows, radio, etc.

[StuckWithInsomnia]

The single choices were awful. Oh Love should not have been a single it should have been Stay The Night, Kill The DJ if it wasn't so repetitive, Stray Heart, Ashley, Brutal Love, and Missing You/X-Kid

[AfterShock]

The single choices were awful. Oh Love should not have been a single it should have been Stay The Night, Kill The DJ if it wasn't so repetitive, Stray Heart, Ashley, Brutal Love, and Missing You/X-Kid

Ashley and Brutal Love would be terrible singles IMO

[dangreenday]

i think they lost a few fans but literally hardly worth a mention, BUT if the people who say they hate it actually gave it a chance rather than diss it because its "Cool to not like green day" anymore then it would be fine..

Of course UNO DOS Or TRE would never be the Geen day album to remember when they have such releases as dookie / AI and Nimrod but the songs are still all "Green Day" and they show that during the live show .

So all in all i really dont see why the hatred for the triology is around - All 3 Cds in their own way are Freakin incredible !

[Hermione]

Still think they should put out a new single - could be from any of the albums. Follow it up with a few performances on talk shows, radio, etc.

I agree, with so many great songs to choose from they could still put one out with an awesome video and a bit of promotion and it could do well. Unfortunately they don't have a particularly good track record of making good single choices or promoting them well in recent years. It was pretty bad with 21st CB too, started off well but then the musical came out so they just dumped it. I think this time they're cutting their losses and just concentrating on the tour. It doesn't seem like they/their label or whoever are particularly into taking risks with singles, seems like they generally either go with safe choices or just don't do anything. Shame really, I don't think it's too late to give more of the songs the exposure they deserve.

Then again I get the impression Green Day themselves aren't that bothered about singles and videos anyway (which could explain a lot of the above), so they're probably not that fussed. I'm fussed though , so I wish they were a bit more.

[Clayish]

Don't take this the wrong way, but Green Day has reached a point in their career where they can be irrelevant and still be relevant. I'm not sure if that makes sense.

So true.

[StuckWithInsomnia]

Ashley and Brutal Love would be terrible singles IMO

Really? Brutal Love isn't that far away from 21 Guns, BoBD and WMUWSE, and Ashley has an insanely catchy chorus

[Iain]

I call bullshit on this one, and for a few reasons:

1. The whole idea behind the trilogy being a disappointment: this is an entirely subjective thing (and fuck the NME, bloody pretentious twats), but I don't believe the trilogy bombed to begin with. Yes the sales could have been better and it could've been advertised better, but had the rehab not happened (and thankfully it did, who knows where it would've ended) I think the sales figures would be topped because of it. Having said that, I still think the trilogy hit a good one, and I for one loved it. Yes it's not perfect and it's a bit mixed up, but it's certainly not the worst Green Day album ever, if there was one. If you were a Green Day fan to begin with you probably bought at least one if not all three, and that's a fuckload of people. Sales aside, there are people who like this trilogy and as already established, this is a subjective point so now is the time to hush up about it.
   
2. Popularity of Green Day as a result of said trilogy: whoever claims this did not see Emirates a couple of weeks ago; the fucking place hit a new attendance record and there were even new fans partaking in the event. This is a whole load of shit if anyone thinks Green Day is going on the low: thanks to the internet and social media (which is now as unavoidable as your mother wanting to scream at you for finding the pot under your bed), it's helped to promote the band to a whole new level and the fact they sometimes interact with fans pretty much says it all. Green Day may have not appeared on TV or the radio much this year but hey, even if the only promotion they had was by carrier pigeon, I think their fame status will stay the same.
   
3. Popularity of Green Day as seen by the rest of the world (outside of GDC and your fangirl mother, obviously): having ended my previous point rather exaggerated and facetious, the only reason I see people saying Green Day's popularity has decreased is there has been fuck all promotion for them, and any promotion they had was mostly bullshit instead of brown sauce in my sunday morning fry up (see Angry Birds, the darned slot machine etc. etc. forget my fry up analogy, but brown sauce is a good thing). The thing that naffs me off is they tried to mostly promote by using what the cool kids use (like Instagram and Facebook accounts getting the shit advertised out of them) instead of focusing on Radio Interviews and other promotions more (Reprise has the worst marketing dept.). Again had the rehab not happened it would've got better promotion, but as far as anything else the only real promotion you'll see is by fans and GDA, since the Entertainment and Arts world is far too busy harassing Justin Bieber right now (and keep doing that, please drive him insane).
   
4. Misfortune: and this is the thing that adds it all up. As already established the meltdown, rehab and likewise is what let this down. It seemed like something beautiful was on the horizon then something unfortunate happened, and all of a sudden it felt as if all hype just vanished at that point.
   
5. Case and point: I'll never think the trilogy was bad, or bombed, or Green Day has lost its popularity. What happened to the trilogy was nothing more than unfortunate. Something went wrong and it felt like the trilogy never hit its potential as a result of said incident. Right now it's on the way back up (even in the form of newly mixed Guitars), and Green Day hasn't lost a sweat on their status. It's just not everyone else has seen it the same way as we have since we are pretty big fans, but the rest of the world sees different as it seems quiet from the outside. Maybe the next album or leg of the tour, there will be heavier promotion and more media appearances. Here's hoping so, then it's obvious Green Day haven't lost jack shit.

EDIT: While I'm at it, what Green Day did was fucking ballsy, even if some people might not find it very good. I mean yeah they released three experimental and different styled albums, but hey, at least they did it. What's history going to remember you for? That time you dipped your penis in a bottle of aftershave threw a frying pan and a cat into the face of a homeless Glaswegian man?

[AfterShock]

Really? Brutal Love isn't that far away from 21 Guns, BoBD and WMUWSE, and Ashley has an insanely catchy chorus

Yeah I get what you're saying about Brutal Love, but I feel like a mainstream listener would turn it off because it takes so long to build up! Ashley doesn't really have a radio-friendly feel...I love the song and it's catchy as hell but I think it's a bit too agressive/punk-y to work well on radio. The same could be said for most of Dos aside from Stray Heart, really.

Tre, however, is loaded with singles.

[Iva]

BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAA....CHRISTIAN MUSIC WEBSITE. Come ooooooooooooooooooon.

Whoever wrote that article did not make much sense and there's no reason to be upset about it.

Cult following is based around people who are reclusive or dead, films that made no sense and were panned by critics; things like that.

I maintain the official and run the unofficial website for John Frusciante, formerly of the Red Hot Chili Peppers, I'm pretty sure I know how to make a difference between an artist who has not performed live on his own in eight years, with any other band or musician for three, hasn't given an interview since late 2008 and did not even appear when the band was incuded into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and a band that sells out large arenas, regularly appears on front covers, gives interviews and uses social networking. It's easy to figure out who's got a regular fanbase and who's got a cult following.

It was only USA-based media that was constantly writing Green Day out from 1995 on. Nobody else, anywhere in the world, thought of them that way.

[Vespertine]

They have a HUGE fan base which automatically makes them kind of relevant, but right now the general public doesn't even know they are still a band.

[Iain]

BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAA....CHRISTIAN MUSIC WEBSITE. Come ooooooooooooooooooon.

And? Just because it's Christian musicians throwing their question into the matter doesn't mean they can't be involved. They ask, we answer, no different than any other individual/body getting involved.

[yuan]

uh, i think they are not even trying to promoting, almost like they don't care, any way of marketing the trilogy would be better than they did, miss the point of trilogy's concept and depth. They could do much better on everything, but seems they don't want to. Maybe because they don't need to prove themselves anymore and pretty okay with what they have got now.

yea i feel like in cult somewhat somehow.

[Iain]

uh, i think they are not even trying to promoting, almost like they don't care, any way of marketing the trilogy would be better than they did, miss the point of trilogy's concept and depth. They could do much better on everything, but seems they don't want to. Maybe because they don't need to prove themselves anymore and pretty okay with what they have got now.

yea i feel like in cult somewhat somehow.

Promotion isn't as much as Green Day's business as it is Reprise and Management. Then again, they are promoting right now with a whole tour...

[WhiteTim]

Promotion isn't as much as Green Day's business as it is Reprise and Management. Then again, they are promoting right now with a whole tour...

Promotion is all three

[Vespertine]

Also, I'm pretty sure they do care about success and popularity to a certain extent. They put a lot of work into this trilogy and they certainly didn't intend for it to go unnoticed. The fact that it was a flop (can we all agree that it was a flop? 21stCB sold 1.3 million copies in a month while Uno sold about 550 thousand copies in the same amount of time. I mean technically it wasn't a flop, but we're talking about a HUGE band here) is sad actually.

[StuckWithInsomnia]

Yeah I get what you're saying about Brutal Love, but I feel like a mainstream listener would turn it off because it takes so long to build up! Ashley doesn't really have a radio-friendly feel...I love the song and it's catchy as hell but I think it's a bit too agressive/punk-y to work well on radio. The same could be said for most of Dos aside from Stray Heart, really.

Tre, however, is loaded with singles.

Ashley isn't really any less radio friendly than Longview, Geek Stink Breath, Brain Stew, Hitchin A Ride, American Idiot etc.

[yuan]

Promotion isn't as much as Green Day's business as it is Reprise and Management. Then again, they are promoting right now with a whole tour...

i don't believe they would agree to promote like the trilogy at the first place as if they were in the AI area, if they ambition that much, tho the trilogy is complex in ways, hard to promote albums.

I know, but tour is basic right? it's doing fine, the show must be ongoing..

[Iain]

Also, I'm pretty sure they do care about success and popularity to a certain extent. They put a lot of work into this trilogy and they certainly didn't intend for it to go unnoticed. The fact that it was a flop (can we all agree that it was a flop? 21stCB sold 1.3 million copies in a month while Uno sold about 550 thousand copies in the same amount of time. I mean technically it wasn't a flop, but we're talking about a HUGE band here) is sad actually.

If the trilogy is a flop (and I will never agree to that, so good luck on that one), it's only a flop commercially. You have to remember 21st Century Breakdown was commercialised to fuck and had an immediate tour to promote it; this had only so much, and was promoted in all but the right places, and a misfortune that pushed a tour back by 4–6 months. A Zane Lowe radio interview is a better promotion of an album than Angry Birds.

While you could make a ratio on the number of albums sold to how many fans the band has, there's two problems here:

1. Common fans liked either none of the albums, one of them, two, or all three, so per album is hard to measure as for all we know one album sold better than the other. The trilogy however does count as one album in a contract sense so it you add the numbers together or average the three albums and compare it then, you might find something. Depends if you want to keep the numbers to sales or just count it as one.

2. Not that this bothers Green Day, but there are fans who leaked them so obviously they don't count on album sales as there is no purchase. I can vouch a lot of people stole this stuff so there's a number missing there, and a number that's hard to track as illegal downloading is pretty widespread.

You also have to remember there is still a tour ongoing, which is to promote the trilogy as well as the band and their music as a whole. There may be people buying (or stealing!) the album(s) as we speak, so the sales of such are pretty widespread. We might get better statistics over the course of time but we shall see. It's not like American Idiot or 21st Century Breakdown, I'll say that much so I don't expect it to supersede them but at least have good numbers.

I know, but tour is basic right? it's doing fine, the show must be ongoing..

How do you mean "basic"?

[WhiteTim]

If the trilogy is a flop (and I will never agree to that, so good luck on that one), it's only a flop commercially. You have to remember 21st Century Breakdown was commercialised to fuck and had an immediate tour to promote it; this had only so much, and was promoted in all but the right places, and a misfortune that pushed a tour back by 46 months. A Zane Lowe radio interview is a better promotion of an album than Angry Birds.

While you could make a ratio on the number of albums sold to how many fans the band has, there's two problems here:

• Common fans liked either none of the albums, one of them, two, or all three, so per album is hard to measure as for all we know one album sold better than the other. The trilogy however does count as one album so it you add the numbers together or average the three albums and compare it then, you might find something.

• Not that this bothers Green Day, but there are fans who leaked them so obviously they don't count on album sales as there is no purchase. I can vouch a lot of people stole this stuff so there's a number missing there, and a number that's hard to track as illegal downloading is pretty widespread.

You also have to remember there is still a tour ongoing, which is to promote the trilogy as well as the band and their music as a whole. There may be people buying (or stealing!) the album(s) as we speak, so the sales of such are pretty widespread. We might get better statistics over the course of time but we shall see. It's not like American Idiot or 21st Century Breakdown, I'll say that much so I don't expect it to supersede them but at least have good numbers.

How do you mean "basic"?

The trilogy only counts as one album contract wise not sales wise