99 Revolutions Tour - Tour Identity Crisis and NY Times Dead-On Review

[HaushinkaSins]

oh jesus Christ. this has nothing to do with the fact on whether the band is proud of the trilogy songs or not. just because they aren't playing it right now for this warm up tour doesn't mean they aren't happy with the songs they released.

billie needs to get comfortable. the whole band needs to adjust to shit.

point blank.

give them time. that's all.

[sara_gd]

It's more the fans' fault than Green Day's. Obviously the band want to play a concert that the majority of people can enjoy. If people aren't getting into the new stuff, then they're not going to saturate the concert with that.

Having said that, if I buy a ticket to a concert I make sure I listen to most if not all of the bands albums before I go ESPECIALLY the latest album they've put out. I don't know why people would go to a concert without listening to a band's new material.

I agree with you. I'm thinking about what Billie was saying in ¡Cuatro!: people where just listening to new stuff and they exploted with Hitchin' a Ride, so I suppose they're asking themselves if they're doing something wrong.

Obviously, that people where just listening was normal at that stage because they hadn't heard the trilogy never ever before, but looots of people haven't heard it still, and I can understand that: I listen to the latest album especially too when I'm going to see a band live, but if they have 37 songs... I might just go with a greatest hits album. And I have to say too that through those 37 songs you find lots of songs that don't really say anything, if you compare them to the ones in albums like American Idiot, even more if you're just an average fan. So, what I'm trying to say is that if Green Day sees that the crowd doesn't react with Trilogy songs as they do with old songs, or as they did with 21stCB songs in the 21stCB tour, they're going to play them less, and also, I think, they're going to think that maybe the Trilogy isn't that good... And really, it's to do with the amount of songs they've put out and with bad song choices (I mean, why are they playing SWTRLF?). So, people here are saying they're hypocrits: I think that if you say "think about the present" but your crowd doesn't think about the present (because of various reasons), you can't continue going through that path... You can do it in albums because "you do whatever the fuck you want" and blahblahblah, but not in a concert where your main issue is to entretain people.

To tell the truth, I quite like the setlist that they're doing (though more variety from one show to another, like in the last legs of 21stCB, would make me happier), but as for adding Trilogy songs to the setlist, I think they should have chosen them better for promotion, or play the ones they promoted at least! People would know 6 songs off the trilogy for the concert if they were singles.

[ZSebs]

I actually think playing more new songs will promote their albums more. I remember I was at the Rosemont show and this guy who was near me kept asking me what the new songs, like 99 Revolutions and X-Kid, were called so that he could look them up when he gets home. I told him, "Hell, just look up Uno, Dos, and Tre." I feel like by playing more new songs, people may go out and buy these albums. Obviously stick to hits, all fans enjoy those, but replace some songs with new ones. I feel like they actually play too many Kerplunk and 39/smooth songs. Although they are good, they could easily take out two of those and put in a song like Let Yourself Go, which would be great in an arena. Even though I would like to see these changes, I think that the setlist works for now, I had a great time at the show, and it seemed to me that the crowd was really into it.

[timbojones]

But you have to remember that 95% of the people there probably had no idea what was coming next. That's really what this whole discussion has revolved around...the fact that we, as the die-hard" fans probably account for less than 5% of the audience at their shows. Everybody else doesn't follow every move Green Day makes and, therefore, has no idea what to expect.

I'm not sure how true this is these days, everyones got the internet, and I think lots of people no matter how casual, check bands out online before going to see them. sure they probably wont know the setlist back to front like we do. but with setlist.fm so many youtube videos I think more people know the major song transitions and stuff then you think. they might not stalk fan forums, but most people get click happy on youtube sometimes, and thats enough to ruin whatever 'surprise' might have come of it . and as time goes on this will only become more of the norm.

[Ryan]

I'm not sure how true this is these days, everyones got the internet, and I think lots of people no matter how casual, check bands out online before going to see them. sure they probably wont know the setlist back to front like we do. but with setlist.fm so many youtube videos I think more people know the major song transitions and stuff then you think. they might not stalk fan forums, but most people get click happy on youtube sometimes, and thats enough to ruin whatever 'surprise' might have come of it . and as time goes on this will only become more of the norm.

I get where you're coming from, I still don't think that's the case though. I wouldn't doubt that some people do that, but I know for a fact that I wouldn't look up any of that shit if I was going to see a band that I only knew a few songs from. I would just be like, "oh, i hope they play (insert two song names I like here)." Haha

[Slave To The Network]

I think that was a very good review and the guy seemed to really know his stuff and actually care about the band. He brought up some really good points and I liked how he emphasized the relationship between Green Day and their fans, which is one of the things that makes them so special. I thought it was kind of touching how he ended it with a mention of the girl not being caught during her stage dive and Billie checking in to see if everyone was okay. He said "He was asking as a friend" which highlights one of the most important things about him and Green Day - they truly care about their fans. Even if their shows are becoming less novel, their connection with fans will stay with them forever.

[Iain]

Please enlighten us.

GLADLY.

Before I begin, I am aware that this is a rock show, so of course it gets a bit crazy. But I came across people who were selfish, rude, and despicable. Did not care for anyone but themselves, while me and my friends were being split apart and even pushed around to the degree we hated the crowd. On top of that, a lot of people at the front of the line allowed others to jump in. People who had been waiting since 7am suddenly went from being in the first 20 people to the first 40. Why? I understand that you paid to see something but so did other people; hell some people (like myself) travelled a great distance and spent a lot of money to do this, only for people to be inconsiderate to not just us but also our friends. I met some cool people at this show but I also came across one of the most horrible crowds ever, there's no question about that.

If that's not bad enough, someone who came all the way from Australia to see them had to leave that venue on a stretcher. They got punched in the eye, a hurt neck and a concussion. I'm sorry, but if anyone can justify someone's enjoyment being murdered by other people's selfishness to the point of injury, enlighten me, but there's a good chance you're very wrong. No one should ever be leaving a show in the back of an Ambulance, but again, that's the crowd disrespecting someone else's hard efforts, time and commitment, if not harder than a lot other people's, to be at that show, only for the person mentioned to be left in pain so other people can get to the front.

I even got threatened and told I was selfish myself just because I had to push and shove to stay with my friend; I had no one else around me I knew and I couldn't do this on my own, and I got threatened for it? If the person who said all that to me is reading this, I want you to know you're a thundercunt. You're not the only one at the show, and if you're going to the degree of separating people apart just so you can strive for the front (by the way, good luck with that, it's impossible all through the show), I can safely admit you have some fucking disregard for why people go to a Green Day show: good times with great people seeing an awesome band, and if anyone disrespects that then you're doing it wrong.

If there's anything you should gather from this, it's not that I didn't like the show, because believe me, the band were amazing. But the crowd were killing it for me, and frankly, next time, I won't hold back from shoving someone who is disrupting my enjoyment. If you act selfishly at a show, crush people and even so much as drive an elbow in someone's face, don't expect it to not happen to you, because you're ruining someone else's time and could potentially injure them, so don't even think of it.

Bottom line is this: respect other people in the crowd, because they're there for the same reason as you, and if you don't like that, too fucking bad, but be happy that you're actually at a show. I'm grateful I got to see a Green Day show, but while it doesn't tarnish the show itself, ultimately, this crowd was disgraceful. And apparently, it's not just this show either, it's been a lot of shows this tour. Stop this now.

[Mar]

Having said that, if I buy a ticket to a concert I make sure I listen to most if not all of the bands albums before I go ESPECIALLY the latest album they've put out. I don't know why people would go to a concert without listening to a band's new material.

SERIOUSLY. This is why I kind of prefer going to a show for a band at least a couple months after their most recent material has come out, so I have time to become familiar with it. I legit get stressed out when an album comes out and I see the artist a week later; I'm not really a fan of seeing an artist right before their album comes out because of this. The artist is all excited to perform new songs, but you nor the audience knows them so you can't forge a connection with them like you could if you knew their material front and back and had emotional ties to a song. Now, playing a sneak peek track or something, I'm totally cool with, but when you tour for an album and that album hasn't been released yet, it's awkward for me.

Sorry, tl;dr, the point I'm trying to make is, I agree with you.

[Agado2u]

I saw them at the Liacouras Center in Philly, PA. They played a good mix of new songs and oldies and songs from the 2 CD's that kids know them from (we don't even have to name them). Tre even did "All By Myself & Dominated". I do appreciate that they don't seem to be doing the same set in every city. I have been a long time fan and been to many shows. I was worried about how Billie Joe would be onstage. I agree that his audience participation tatics are routine, but their love of performing is not forced. Perhaps. Billie Joe, is sticking with familiarity right now. I honestly can't wait to see them again. Just being in their presence, with artists that love what they are doing, and having fun, is enough for me.

[WhiteTim]

GLADLY.

Before I begin, I am aware that this is a rock show, so of course it gets a bit crazy. But I came across people who were selfish, rude, and despicable. Did not care for anyone but themselves, while me and my friends were being split apart and even pushed around to the degree we hated the crowd. On top of that, a lot of people at the front of the line allowed others to jump in. People who had been waiting since 7am suddenly went from being in the first 20 people to the first 40. Why? I understand that you paid to see something but so did other people; hell some people (like myself) travelled a great distance and spent a lot of money to do this, only for people to be inconsiderate to not just us but also our friends. I met some cool people at this show but I also came across one of the most horrible crowds ever, there's no question about that.

If that's not bad enough, someone who came all the way from Australia to see them had to leave that venue on a stretcher. They got punched in the eye, a hurt neck and a concussion. I'm sorry, but if anyone can justify someone's enjoyment being murdered by other people's selfishness to the point of injury, enlighten me, but there's a good chance you're very wrong. No one should ever be leaving a show in the back of an Ambulance, but again, that's the crowd disrespecting someone else's hard efforts, time and commitment, if not harder than a lot other people's, to be at that show, only for the person mentioned to be left in pain so other people can get to the front.

I even got threatened and told I was selfish myself just because I had to push and shove to stay with my friend; I had no one else around me I knew and I couldn't do this on my own, and I got threatened for it? If the person who said all that to me is reading this, I want you to know you're a thundercunt. You're not the only one at the show, and if you're going to the degree of separating people apart just so you can strive for the front (by the way, good luck with that, it's impossible all through the show), I can safely admit you have some fucking disregard for why people go to a Green Day show: good times with great people seeing an awesome band, and if anyone disrespects that then you're doing it wrong.

If there's anything you should gather from this, it's not that I didn't like the show, because believe me, the band were amazing. But the crowd were killing it for me, and frankly, next time, I won't hold back from shoving someone who is disrupting my enjoyment. If you act selfishly at a show, crush people and even so much as drive an elbow in someone's face, don't expect it to not happen to you, because you're ruining someone else's time and could potentially injure them, so don't even think of it.

Bottom line is this: respect other people in the crowd, because they're there for the same reason as you, and if you don't like that, too fucking bad, but be happy that you're actually at a show. I'm grateful I got to see a Green Day show, but while it doesn't tarnish the show itself, ultimately, this crowd was disgraceful. And apparently, it's not just this show either, it's been a lot of shows this tour. Stop this now.

You were in the mosh pit... mosh pits are not known to be a respectful "oh im sorry did i stomp on your foot my bad" place if you dont like that enviroment dont get pit tickets get seating... i'd hate to see how ud react in the pit of a metal show or a hardcore act...

Not to be an ass sorry u didnt enjoy the pit

[stories and songs]

But you have to remember that 95% of the people there probably had no idea what was coming next. That's really what this whole discussion has revolved around...the fact that we, as the die-hard" fans probably account for less than 5% of the audience at their shows. Everybody else doesn't follow every move Green Day makes and, therefore, has no idea what to expect.

Because it is!! Geez man, did you read the Rolling Stone interview with Billie? Remember when he said he's scared out of his fucking mind to take the stage sober and he has no idea how he's gonna do it without having a nervous breakdown? Well this is how he's gonna do it. Until he feels comfortable and confident that he doesn't need his "liquid courage," expect the sets to look like this. They know this set inside and out, therefore there is a lot less pressure on Billie and the band. Once he realizes that the energy of the crowd is enough to keep him going, I fully expect them to open things up a little bit. With what Billie has gone through, the last thing he needs is to load in the Trilogy songs, have the crowd be completely lifeless, and then feel completely insecure and relapse. And yes...it is that easy for it to happen that way.

THANK YOU. I agree with all of this so much. Like x1000.

Die hard fans of any band are the only ones who know what goes on at concerts night after night. I have a ton of bands I love listening to, but it doesn't go much further than I simply enjoy their music. If I went to a concert of a random band I like, I'd have no clue if it was exactly the same or completely different from what they played the night before. Those are the types of fans that make up the majority of an audience, I believe. Not die-hard fans, not by a long shot.

While I agree that the consistency of their setlist is in part trying to make sure Billie and the rest of the band is happy, confident and comfortable (which quite frankly is so much more fucking important to me than the songs they choose to play at a concert), I also think that they just really like their set list arrangement. They've been playing a very similar set for years now, and it still gets a great response from the crowd. If its not broke, don't fix it, right? I'm fine with that approach. It must be overwhelming to try to plan a set list when there are so many songs to choose from, and they don't need that stress right now. In Billie's interview, he talked about how freaked out he was over planning the setlist for iHeart because of the time constraint. Having more variation in their tour setlist would be fine and dandy, but it is SO not worth it. I don't need the guys to change what they play night to night - I'm not even there most of the time! What i do need, though, is for them to go easy enough on themselves where they're still around in 5, 10, 20 years.

The guys are going with what has worked for them in the past and there is nothing wrong with that.

[Iain]

You were in the mosh pit... mosh pits are not known to be a respectful "oh im sorry did i stomp on your foot my bad" place if you dont like that enviroment dont get pit tickets get seating... i'd hate to see how ud react in the pit of a metal show or a hardcore act...

Not to be an ass sorry u didnt enjoy the pit

Don't worry about it! But regardless of it being in the pit, you have to understand this was bad. Though not to be an ass myself, even mosh pits have ethics. Mosh pits have to respect others around them i.e. not involve anyone who doesn't want to, which ironically has happened to me before.

In a pit, you have to care and respect other people around you. A lot of people I met that day in line said they hated the crowd too for the reasons I stated. It wasn't a case of being in the pit, it was a case of how respectful people were, which they should be regardless since we're all there for the same reason. This wasn't about people bumping into each other either, that's one thing. This was blatant shoving and pushing for gain, and not caring about people around you.

[Justin]

GLADLY.

On top of that, a lot of people at the front of the line allowed others to jump in. People who had been waiting since 7am suddenly went from being in the first 20 people to the first 40. Why? I understand that you paid to see something but so did other people; hell some people (like myself) travelled a great distance and spent a lot of money to do this, only for people to be inconsiderate to not just us but also our friends. I met some cool people at this show but I also came across one of the most horrible crowds ever, there's no question about that.

Being part of the group of the first five in the queue. I didn't actually see anyone push in or anyone let anyone nearby. We made pretty good friends with a good amount of people behind us. They all were strong enough not to let any of the people from behind push in either. Did you have a number? It just surprises me that somewhere people were allowed to push in. Especially that from around 7ish the queue was back to the mini wall before going out on to the sidewalk :/

[Iain]

Being part of the group of the first five in the queue. I didn't actually see anyone push in or anyone let anyone nearby. We made pretty good friends with a good amount of people behind us. They all were strong enough not to let any of the people from behind push in either. Did you have a number? It just surprises me that somewhere people were allowed to push in. Especially that from around 7ish the queue was back to the mini wall before going out on to the sidewalk :/

Hey I remember seeing you around! I was the guy in the Coon skin hat.

The weird thing is, my friend and I, when we arrived we were in the first 30-40. We ended up in the first 90. How? It's crazy, I still don't understand it; because somehow further down the line the number obviously doubled. :/

[WhiteTim]

Don't worry about it! But regardless of it being in the pit,you have to understand this was bad. Though not to be an ass myself,even mosh pits have ethics. Mosh pits have to respect others around them i.e. not involve anyone who doesn't want to,which ironically has happened to me before.

In a pit,you have to care and respect other people around you. A lot of people I met that day in line said they hated the crowd too for the reasons I stated. It wasn't a case of being in the pit,it was a case of how respectful people were,which they should be regardless since we're all there for the same reason. This wasn't about people bumping into each other either,that's one thing. This was blatant shoving and pushing for gain,and not caring about people around you.

I use to love being in the pits now im older i hate it at sxsw i told him i was crippled and got to sit on the side on Jason's side away from the crowd great view of Billie and Jason

[Iain]

I use to love being in the pits now im older i hate it at sxsw i told him i was crippled and got to sit on the side on Jason's side away from the crowd great view of Billie and Jason

Next time, I might go in the middle. First Green Day show I went to was in the middle, and had little to no problem. It was great.

Edit: That, and you get breathing room.

[Justin]

Hey I remember seeing you around! I was the guy in the Coon skin hat.

The weird thing is, my friend and I, when we arrived we were in the first 30-40. We ended up in the first 90. How? It's crazy, I still don't understand it; because somehow further down the line the number obviously doubled. :/

That's really strange. I'm guessing near the end there was a massive surge forward or something. That sucks that you ended up getting pushed back when you queued for so long. Toronto was pretty bad for that. About two hours before doors, the line surged forward. People who had also camped out over night ended up getting mixed in with people who had been there for a couple hours. I wish everyone could be decent about it.

Maybe i have to much faith in the world sometimes.

[That Dude]

So, I went to setlist.fm and looked back at 2005, what many consider to be Green Day's greatest era of live shows. and like many have said, they've always played a similiar setlist for the most part. And now, we're even getting more songs than back in those days - and about the same number of new songs. They typically played about 9 from American Idiot, and then the hits that they close with all the time. Now they play about 7 new songs, a few oldies and then the closing hits parade, a setlist of about 27 songs. So there is nothing wrong with the new tour. But like many others, I do long to hear more Trilogy songs. They stick Stray Heart in sometimes, maybe they will rotate a different one there more often.

[HolyHandGrenade]

So brutal kid is really gone?? Oh no, don´t go, what is gonna do GDC without you??!!!

Well, he's back now.

[MaraGreenDay]

Well, he's back now.

Ugh......

[HolyHandGrenade]

Ugh......

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