TimmyChunks Posted March 2, 2013 Posted March 2, 2013 Sure, but it's not like her being around (or any of his best friends, bandmates) made a difference in the past. They couldn't control him. I always assumed Billie would go on his crazy binging on the road away from family, but he said he wound up in the park after Irving Plaza, and 80 was there, as was his big brother. Of course it's different now, maybe people will keep an eye on him and actually intervene if he starts to slip, but maybe not, maybe this is still his burden to bear and you can't tell a grown man what to do, and clearly none of them tried or succeeded in the past, so whatever 'support' might be present is still not 100% foolproof, it really has to come from Billie himself. Anyway I hope he'll be fine and kicking ass. Another great point, but that's just it- I think his close friends will be much closer to intervene now. He'll be ok. I don' know that for certain, of course, but I think that it's logical to expect that those close to him will be vigilant and supportive of his recovery at all times.
Heather. Posted March 2, 2013 Posted March 2, 2013 Billie Joe became his Nurse Jackie character Not really. That character died from smoking crack. Though now I'm randomly wondering if Billie has doubled his cigarette intake. It's pretty common to replace one vice with another. Hope not, that's just as unhealthy. No judgment, and I guess I'd rather him have a nicotine addiction than one that actually fucks up his lifestyle and not just his body.
TimmyChunks Posted March 2, 2013 Posted March 2, 2013 Not really. That character died from smoking crack. By the way, Heather, this is off-topic but I had lurked for awhile prior to joining and have always thought your posts were excellent and spot-on. You've been a great contributor to the forum and have provided a lot of excellent insight. You and Bastard of 67 (hope I'm not bastardizing his name!) are great to read and provide some really insightful perspective. Thank you.
lizziebix Posted March 2, 2013 Posted March 2, 2013 By the way, Heather, this is off-topic but I had lurked for awhile prior to joining and have always thought your posts were excellent and spot-on. You've been a great contributor to the forum and have provided a lot of excellent insight. You and Bastard of 67 (hope I'm not bastardizing his name!) are great to read and provide some really insightful perspective. Thank you. I wholeheartedly agree and have meaning to say it myself. Timmy, you just said it first and much better! Oh, and welcome to GDC!
MaraGreenDay Posted March 2, 2013 Posted March 2, 2013 Off-topic too, but a lot of people love what Heather post all the time, included me
Jace Peterson Posted March 2, 2013 Posted March 2, 2013 Not really. That character died from smoking crack. Though now I'm randomly wondering if Billie has doubled his cigarette intake. It's pretty common to replace one vice with another. Hope not, that's just as unhealthy. No judgment, and I guess I'd rather him have a nicotine addiction than one that actually fucks up his lifestyle and not just his body. oh, i never saw the end. i just knew he was a druggie
Heather. Posted March 2, 2013 Posted March 2, 2013 By the way, Heather, this is off-topic but I had lurked for awhile prior to joining and have always thought your posts were excellent and spot-on. You've been a great contributor to the forum and have provided a lot of excellent insight. You and Bastard of 67 (hope I'm not bastardizing his name!) are great to read and provide some really insightful perspective. Thank you. I wholeheartedly agree and have meaning to say it myself. Timmy, you just said it first and much better! Oh, and welcome to GDC! Off-topic too, but a lot of people love what Heather post all the time, included me You guys What an (undeserved) honor to be mentioned in the same sentence as Michael! Now there's a guy who THINKS before he posts! I think AS I post, which is very hit or miss
stories and songs Posted March 2, 2013 Posted March 2, 2013 I find the New York discussion interesting. I do recall his whole trip to NY before writing American Idiot and how it sounded like a rather difficult time in his life, creatively and personally. I don't remember an interview saying that he struggled with being in New York, but it would make sense. But then I think about him in the musical. He was SO amazing in that. It was such a demanding schedule that I doubt allowed for much time for doing anything in excess other than working and rehearsing. And you know - in interviews and in interactions with the fans outside of the theater, he seemed really happy to me. He really did. Which isn't to say that he wasn't struggling at the time, because who knows what was going on under the surface. But I don't know... I guess it confuses me a bit because I can see after he pointed it out that he was having issues during the 21CB tour, and I can see how he was struggling as of late. But in between there was the AI Musical, a time when I felt he was seemingly much happier and himself than he was these last few months. Its confusing.
Heather. Posted March 2, 2013 Posted March 2, 2013 I find the New York discussion interesting. I do recall his whole trip to NY before writing American Idiot and how it sounded like a rather difficult time in his life, creatively and personally. I don't remember an interview saying that he struggled with being in New York, but it would make sense. But then I think about him in the musical. He was SO amazing in that. It was such a demanding schedule that I doubt allowed for much time for doing anything in excess other than working and rehearsing. And you know - in interviews and in interactions with the fans outside of the theater, he seemed really happy to me. He really did. Which isn't to say that he wasn't struggling at the time, because who knows what was going on under the surface. But I don't know... I guess it confuses me a bit because I can see after he pointed it out that he was having issues during the 21CB tour, and I can see how he was struggling as of late. But in between there was the AI Musical, a time when I felt he was seemingly much happier and himself than he was these last few months. Its confusing. I think all of our confusion in that respect can actually help us understand better Billie's own current confusion and his initial denial and unwillingness to seek help---he WAS happy for a good chunk of time. It's not like he's been a miserable addict since 1997. He said himself he had a fantastic time making the records, we know he loved being on Broadway, etc. He's lived his life, good and bad, completely in every way, throughout his addiction. Obviously there have been times where it's been a bigger negative than others (i.e. as he mentioned after his aunt died up until iHeart Radio) and he has also referred to "going through periods of not drinking." So when we've seen him happy, HE has also seen him happy, he admitted himself he was a functioning alcoholic with a mentality "I can deal with this"... because he DID deal with it. In all of his interviews he is professional (by Green Day standards) and lucid. He's not a raving addict in his personal or professional life, it's just a problem that he had, so thinking about our perception of him, and how it's likely not that different from Billie's perception of himself, makes it so much easier for us to really understand WHY he didn't seek treatment until so late in the game... he didn't realize he needed it, in much the same way WE didn't realize he needed it. OK, he probably had a better idea than us (he's made it clear in his lyrics he's always been self-aware of his problems), but he HAS been able to maintain varying degrees of happiness and productivity and familial and professional joy in his life, so it's perfectly logical to me that this overdue treatment didn't happen until 2012. Because he was hyper-functioning.
swatza Posted March 2, 2013 Posted March 2, 2013 Prescription drug abuse kinda freaks me out especially with alcohol, very dangerous and alot of famous people are dying from it these days.. stay well Billie Joe!
Slave To The Network Posted March 2, 2013 Posted March 2, 2013 Noooooooooooooo! None of the places I went had the new Rolling Stone with Billie on the cover! They all still had the February issue! I want my magazine!
HolyHandGrenade Posted March 2, 2013 Posted March 2, 2013 Noooooooooooooo! None of the places I went had the new Rolling Stone with Billie on the cover! They all still had the February issue! I want my magazine! Maybe they all had to take it off the shelves because customers couldn't handle the pure awesomeness of Billie Joe. (I can dream, right?)
Slave To The Network Posted March 2, 2013 Posted March 2, 2013 Maybe they all had to take it off the shelves because customers couldn't handle the pure awesomeness of Billie Joe. (I can dream, right?) If only that were the reason it wasn't there. His hotness made all the magazines around his burst into flames.
HolyHandGrenade Posted March 2, 2013 Posted March 2, 2013 If only that were the reason it wasn't there. His hotness made all the magazines around his burst into flames. Maybe they got some ideas from the wise execs who decided to troll us fans by continuously delaying the release of Cuatro. :sad:
Slave To The Network Posted March 2, 2013 Posted March 2, 2013 Maybe they got some ideas from the wise execs who decided to troll us fans by continuously delaying the release of Cuatro. :sad: Yeah probably.
stories and songs Posted March 2, 2013 Posted March 2, 2013 I think all of our confusion in that respect can actually help us understand better Billie's own current confusion and his initial denial and unwillingness to seek help---he WAS happy for a good chunk of time. It's not like he's been a miserable addict since 1997. He said himself he had a fantastic time making the records, we know he loved being on Broadway, etc. He's lived his life, good and bad, completely in every way, throughout his addiction. Obviously there have been times where it's been a bigger negative than others (i.e. as he mentioned after his aunt died up until iHeart Radio) and he has also referred to "going through periods of not drinking." So when we've seen him happy, HE has also seen him happy, he admitted himself he was a functioning alcoholic with a mentality "I can deal with this"... because he DID deal with it. In all of his interviews he is professional (by Green Day standards) and lucid. He's not a raving addict in his personal or professional life, it's just a problem that he had, so thinking about our perception of him, and how it's likely not that different from Billie's perception of himself, makes it so much easier for us to really understand WHY he didn't seek treatment until so late in the game... he didn't realize he needed it, in much the same way WE didn't realize he needed it. OK, he probably had a better idea than us (he's made it clear in his lyrics he's always been self-aware of his problems), but he HAS been able to maintain varying degrees of happiness and productivity and familial and professional joy in his life, so it's perfectly logical to me that this overdue treatment didn't happen until 2012. Because he was hyper-functioning. Okay, I literally started to cry while reading this. Because these are all the thoughts that have been running through my mind the past few days, and I feel like I was just waiting for someone to validate those thoughts or make sense of them, and you did that beautifully and far more eloquently than I could have. Thank you so much for that. I felt like I was going crazy, lol.
WhiteTim Posted March 2, 2013 Posted March 2, 2013 If the magazine not in store ask the people to look in the back
HolyHandGrenade Posted March 2, 2013 Posted March 2, 2013 You guys What an (undeserved) honor to be mentioned in the same sentence as Michael! Now there's a guy who THINKS before he posts! I think AS I post, which is very hit or miss I think all of our confusion in that respect can actually help us understand ... You try to be modest, then that bombshell of a post appears. Whatever it is you're trying to do - it's working.
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted March 2, 2013 Posted March 2, 2013 That was a dumb idea from the start and I was surprised GDA stooped low enough to even print those stickers. Yeah, that made me really uncomfortable. Don't know if it was "low," per se, but a bad judgment call. But at the time everyone found the whole rant to be "so amusing," y'know? I felt weird for feeling uncomfortable about it from the start.
Mar Posted March 2, 2013 Posted March 2, 2013 I think all of our confusion in that respect can actually help us understand better Billie's own current confusion and his initial denial and unwillingness to seek help---he WAS happy for a good chunk of time. It's not like he's been a miserable addict since 1997. He said himself he had a fantastic time making the records, we know he loved being on Broadway, etc. He's lived his life, good and bad, completely in every way, throughout his addiction. Obviously there have been times where it's been a bigger negative than others (i.e. as he mentioned after his aunt died up until iHeart Radio) and he has also referred to "going through periods of not drinking." So when we've seen him happy, HE has also seen him happy, he admitted himself he was a functioning alcoholic with a mentality "I can deal with this"... because he DID deal with it. In all of his interviews he is professional (by Green Day standards) and lucid. He's not a raving addict in his personal or professional life, it's just a problem that he had, so thinking about our perception of him, and how it's likely not that different from Billie's perception of himself, makes it so much easier for us to really understand WHY he didn't seek treatment until so late in the game... he didn't realize he needed it, in much the same way WE didn't realize he needed it. OK, he probably had a better idea than us (he's made it clear in his lyrics he's always been self-aware of his problems), but he HAS been able to maintain varying degrees of happiness and productivity and familial and professional joy in his life, so it's perfectly logical to me that this overdue treatment didn't happen until 2012. Because he was hyper-functioning. Well said. It's not like he fell off the face of the Earth or became a walking mess like Lindsay Lohan, which is also probably why it shocked a lot of people. If my copy doesn't come tomorrow I'm gonna be so pressed.
Slave To The Network Posted March 2, 2013 Posted March 2, 2013 If my copy doesn't come tomorrow I'm gonna be so pressed. You mean pissed? I feel the same!
Mar Posted March 2, 2013 Posted March 2, 2013 You mean pissed? I feel the same! A little bit of both, actually. I just forget which website I'm on and use terms on here that are used on other sites I visit. It's used most commonly in this context, but it's also often used to mean pissed.
Slave To The Network Posted March 2, 2013 Posted March 2, 2013 A little bit of both, actually. I just forget which website I'm on and use terms on here that are used on other sites I visit. It's used most commonly in this context, but it's also often used to mean pissed. Oh okay.
WhiteTim Posted March 2, 2013 Posted March 2, 2013 Reading this interview and reading Stephen King's autobiography trips me out how some people are still functional even being so fucked up King says he was so gone off of alcohol and pills and coke in the 80's that he has no recollections of writing most of his 80's books said for IT said it was like waking up one day and all the sudden I had 1,300 pages written that I don't remember writing Not sayin Billie doesnt remember recording or writing the albums but to have black out periods and have the work ethic that Billie has
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