Spike Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 All I ask is no covers and no breaks letterbomb please . Oh and Deadbeat Holiday just once I'll be sure to fax this message to Mike Amato for you.
TwoWatches Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 Casual fans eat up every second of BJA rolling around on the ground and shooting toilet paper or whatever the fuck else he does. What he does is what separates Green Day from the rest. There are plenty of great bands who just sit there and sing and act as if the crowd isn't even there (Oasis, Nirvana) and I don't believe its a coincidence that Green Day is so heavily praised by critics for the same practices people here complain about. And on the other side of the coin there are bands out there that provide plenty of such schtick, but a lousy musical performance *cough*blink!*cough*. Those are the bands that I'll enjoy the hell out of on CD/MP3 but I'd never pay to see them live. What's so awesome about GD is that they excel at both, and are always worth the entrance fee.
Z J Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 And on the other side of the coin there are bands out there that provide plenty of such schtick, but a lousy musical performance *cough*blink!*cough*. Those are the bands that I'll enjoy the hell out of on CD/MP3 but I'd never pay to see them live. What's so awesome about GD is that they excel at both, and are always worth the entrance fee. Kiss.
GenesisJames Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 I honestly don't like the Dookiefied stuff. It's most evident in songs like "Stray Heart" and "Kill the DJ"; it completely kills the songs for me. Although I will say that Dookiefied "Nightlife" is pretty damn cool.
TwoWatches Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 I honestly don't like the Dookiefied stuff. It's most evident in songs like "Stray Heart" and "Kill the DJ"; it completely kills the songs for me. I'm with ya -- I mean I appreciated the novelty of covering recent GD tracks with the sound of Dookie, but truth be told it's a single gag that gets old real quick. That said, here's what's probably an unpopular opinion: I did enjoy the Pickin' On Green Day covers. Their versions of "21 Guns" and "When I Come Around" are the highlights for me.
The Grouch is Tracy Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 And they always keep the entrance fee nice and affordable. People can bitch about Green Day "selling out" all they want, but until they're charging hundreds of dollars per pit ticket and only doing paid meet and greets, they're not sell outs in my book Exactly this.
Joey Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 I paid over 60 quid to get into the Emirates show. If you think that's nice and affordable you're crazy.
The Grouch is Tracy Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 I paid over 60 quid to get into the Emirates show. If you think that's nice and affordable you're crazy. Compared to other concerts though.....especially " big names" that can cost hundreds...
Joey Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 Compared to other concerts though.....especially " big names" that can cost hundreds... That'd be fine if they had enormous production costs and a huge stage show like the Iron Maidens and U2s of this world to justify it, but they didn't. They played at one end of a football stadium with screens on either side. Unless t-shirt cannons cost thousands of pounds to maintain it is ridiculous. For comparison, the Wembley show cost £40.
Spike Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 The arena shows I went to in 2004 and 2009 were very reasonably priced, £20 is fair enough. But £45 for Brixton was an absolute fucking ripoff. The most I've ever paid to see a band there otherwise was £20. That said, how much would a band like the Rolling Stones or The Who pay for that kind of gig? £100, minimum? For comparison I'm seeing Katy Perry at the O2 in May and that cost £130. So it could be worse.
JOE THE X-KID Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 I feel this way about Worry Rock, The Grouch and Walking Alone hmm id agree about Worry Rock. i love the other two but i wouldnt say its their best.
billiesboy Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 It's been said a thousand times, but I'll remind everyone again, we are in the MINORITY here on GDC. Casual fans eat up every second of BJA rolling around on the ground and shooting toilet paper or whatever the fuck else he does. What he does is what separates Green Day from the rest. There are plenty of great bands who just sit there and sing and act as if the crowd isn't even there (Oasis, Nirvana) and I don't believe its a coincidence that Green Day is so heavily praised by critics for the same practices people here complain about. I get a certain kick out of observing my friends/family listening to live GD songs that I play around the house. With all of the f bombs and yelling and explosions (AAF) my brother thinks its the craziest/most fantastic show on earth. And it really is, especially if you're a casual fan. Would love to know what he's imagining when BIAB king for a day comes on I personally dont buy that argument. Oasis, Nirvana and Green Day are strong bands with real music. They dont need the circus thing. The music speaks for itself. Green Day did more than well in the 90ies without having to please the justin bieber fans attending their shows today. I actually had to leave for a beer during their most dragged out interruption. Im there for the music. Thats what matters to me.
Spike Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 I personally dont buy that argument. Oasis, Nirvana and Green Day are strong bands with real music. They dont need the circus thing. The music speaks for itself. Green Day did more than well in the 90ies without having to please the justin bieber fans attending their shows today. I actually had to leave for a beer during their most dragged out interruption. Im there for the music. Thats what matters to me. I guess if you just want the music and nothing else you can always listen to a CD.
WhiteTim Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 Casual fans enjoy the GD show cause its new to them A casual fan probally isnt on youtube searchkng for concert footage or on gdc looking to download shows For the hardcore fans who do download shows then yes a GD show is probally bored and is old to them... But to that casual fan or even a first timer a GD show is exciting
billiesboy Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 I guess if you just want the music and nothing else you can always listen to a CD. You didnt understand or you dont want to understand. Just because I dont want it to turn into a musical or britney spears show doesnt mean I have to settle for the cd.
Spike Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 You didnt understand or you dont want to understand. Just because I dont want it to turn into a musical or britney spears show doesnt mean I have to settle for the cd. I understood perfectly well. Admittedly the "hey oh" thing does get annoying at times, and I hate it when they drag songs out just to talk or whatever, but the other stuff is great. I think it's very harsh to compare it to a Britney show, or a musical. If you object to the signature parts of the show so much then you kind of do have to settle for the CD. There's no point going to see them knowing full well what it's like and then complaining that they didn't change their show for you.
billiesboy Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 You don't buy the argument that casual fans lap up everything Billie offers them and beg for more? Have you ever been to a Green Day show? They fucking LOVE IT. The more intense, jaded fans love it too, we just like to pretend we don't If Ive ever been to a show? Yeah only since the mid 90's and onwards and Ive seen the transition with my own eyes. It was a different crowd back then. Green Day wasnt trying to please the masses and the bieber fans. Now I still love GD to death but for me personally I feel they murder their songs with all the crap going on and interupting the music. I hate that. I get the sense that you're upset about the shows because you feel like they're catering to a different sort of fan, is that so? Youre probably right on the spot lol.
billiesboy Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 What's wrong with trying to please the masses? That's the point of being in a band. Pleasing the majority of your fans is kind of the point, yeah? Nah I dont share that opinion at all. I feel as an artist it is more important to stay true to yourself and your music instead of trying to compromise and please everyone. To me that is selling out if anything. That's why a band like Nirvana will remain legendary in another way I think, not only because Kurt blew his brains out.
WhiteTim Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 Nah I dont share that opinion at all. I feel as an artist it is more important to stay true to yourself and your music instead of trying to compromise and please everyone. To me that is selling out if anything. That's why a band like Nirvana will remain legendary in another way I think, not only because Kurt blew his brains out. I love Nirvana very much but Nirvana was sell outs even Kurt himself said so...
Spike Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 Nah I dont share that opinion at all. I feel as an artist it is more important to stay true to yourself and your music instead of trying to compromise and please everyone. To me that is selling out if anything. That's why a band like Nirvana will remain legendary in another way I think, not only because Kurt blew his brains out. How do you know they're not being true to themselves? They obviously love what they're doing these days and wouldn't be doing it otherwise, since they have the freedom to do whatever they want at this point. Artists evolve and grow up. Is it not a bit hipster to be disappointed that they've had a massive surge of success in the last 10 years?
billiesboy Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 It's ridiculous to idolize Nirvana as a band that "didn't sell out." You know why they didn't? Because Kurt fucking died. All bands evolve over time, they just do. They get new fans, their sound changes, etc. I am pretty much 100% sure that if Nirvana had lasted as long as Green Day has, you'd have the same problem with them. There are plenty of bands besides Nirvana that doesnt have to put on a circus to entertain their crowd. That was my point to begin with. If you think its fun with all the hey hos, tshirtcannonstuff and music interuptions then fine. I just want to hear them perform the goddamn song because I love the music. Its like saying their music isnt good enough.
billiesboy Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 How do you know they're not being true to themselves? They obviously love what they're doing these days and wouldn't be doing it otherwise, since they have the freedom to do whatever they want at this point. Artists evolve and grow up. Is it not a bit hipster to be disappointed that they've had a massive surge of success in the last 10 years? How do you know its not just a way to sell more tickets to people who just listen to whats on top 10 radio?
Spike Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 There are plenty of bands besides Nirvana that doesnt have to put on a circus to entertain their crowd. That was my point to begin with. If you think its fun with all the hey hos, tshirtcannonstuff and music interuptions then fine. I just want to hear them perform the goddamn song because I love the music. Its like saying their music isnt good enough. I can't help but feel you're missing the point. It's meant to be a spectacle. It's not saying their music isn't good enough, it's a way of enhancing the experience. They still play 30 songs a night, they work damn hard. Their evolution has been pretty natural really. There comes a point when it's not good enough to just play the songs - look at the likes of Muse, Springsteen or the Rolling Stones. There's a lot more to their shows than simply getting their heads down, playing the songs then leaving, especially when you're playing arenas and stadiums.
billiesboy Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 I like it because it shows the band has respect for the fans. Even though it's formulaic, and if you're a hardcore fan you see Billie do it night after night, the reason they do it is to reach out and connect with fans. I don't think they do it because they think the music isn't good enough on its own, they do it because the fans enjoy it and it makes them feel closer to the band. When I watch shows from the 90's, even Madison SG I feel they were a lot closer to their audience without the circus thing.
Spike Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 How do you know its not just a way to sell more tickets to people who just listen to whats on top 10 radio? Because the show itself wouldn't do that. By the time you see the show you've already paid to be there whatever happens.
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