Unpopular Green Day Opinions

[The Grouch is Tracy]

Probably for the rest of Green Day's career.

I have to say I don't know of any other Green Day album that is as divisive as this amongst Green Day fans. I would hazard a guess to say that there are more people who dislike the Trilogy than there are who dislike any of their other albums.

I remember all of this when Warning came out too......fans were extremely divided, and a lot of people thought the band was done. Thankfully not...

[munns6691]

But still, slapping a different name on the cover doesn't change the album or the artist, and changing the sound makes it a different album with different songs altogether.

So basically what I'm saying is there should have never been 3 albums. Just one long album and then a tubbies album

[Guest]

repeating compositions and patterns

Have you even ever listened to a Green Day song?

Do you think One Direction's Album was better than that of Mumford and Sons?

Yes. Fuck Mumford and Sons.

[Akshat]

I just wanna know what drugs Akshat is taking cause I may need to avoid them..

Well you're the one hallucinating

[Akshat]

Anyone who thinks "Loss of Control" is even remotely close to being a good song is the one who's hallucinating

Heyyyyy, I like it okay.

[Akshat]

Have you even ever listened to a Green Day song?

No, who the fuck is Green Day?

You liking it = / = it being a good song. I mean, I like Nightlife, even though I know it's absolute shit

Awwwww thanks

I like Nightlife too. That instrumental is epic,so is the chick's rap.

[WhiteTim]

Well you're the one hallucinating

Hey unlike alot of others on here I like the trilogy but I'm not foolish enough to say or think the trilogy is that creative or better than say 21st... or any other GD album cause it's not the only different style they did was Kill The DJ Nightlife and Brutal Love and Brutal Love is just a rip off on the great Sam Cooke...

[The Disappearing Boy]

Last three pages = 'you're an idiot coz you don't agree with me'

Nice arguing once again, GDC

[Akshat]

Hey unlike alot of others on here I like the trilogy but I'm foolish enough to say or think the trilogy is that creative ir better than say 21st... or any other GD album cause it's not the only different style they did was Kill The DJ Nightlife and Brutal Love and Brutal Love is just a rip off on the great Sam Cooke...

Because KTDJ, Nightlife and Brutal Love are the only songs I mentioned. Nice to see you too, Tim

'you're an idiot coz you don't agree with me'

I thought this is how democracy works.

[Anaïs.]

Is it just me, or is there an alarming increase of arrogant, belligerent blowhards here lately?

[Akshat]

Is it just me, or is there an alarming increase of arrogant, belligerent blowhards here lately?

[Clockwise]

This is tough, because the trilogy and Nimrod are neck and neck for me. I love em' both to bits.

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

So basically what I'm saying is there should have never been 3 albums. Just one long album and then a tubbies album

Yeah, I get what you're saying, but I don't really understand the difference between Dos being a Green Day album and Dos being a Tubbies album. But I guess that's not really something we're going to agree about

[WhiteTim]

There arent enough Tubbies songs on ¡Dos! to make another Tubbie album there barly enough songs to make a EP...

[Spike]

21st CB was similar to AI in every way. Everything good that ever happened to it was because of its comparisons with AI.It amuses me how you think only a part of it was similar to AI. Even the singles were similar.(21 guns= BOBD, EJN=holiday, KYE=AI). 21stCB, like AI, was a rock Opera with various acts. Anyone who has not heard of Green Day would tell you that thy're both the same albums.

I'm sorry but I was referring to Horseshoes and Hand grenades and RHS, maybe the song was at the back of my head as I typed Nothing wrong with RHE but I'd love to know what you think of H&H, which is nothing but loading a song with production like pouring tea in a full cup( Did I just make a Dalai Lama reference?)

They weren't similar in every way. They can't have been, since they're different albums that contain different songs. I like how you're "amused" by me seeing the differences between the two when not doing is just pure ignorance. Sure they sound quite similar, I'll give you that, but that's because they're written by the same band only a few years apart. Not everyone can be Radiohead when it comes to diversity. But there are plenty of huge differences between the two albums, and to say otherwise is ignorant. The only similarity between BOBD and 21 Guns is that one drum fill before the second verse and the change in dynamics between the chorus and verse.

Since you're so obsessed with lyrics, EJN and Holiday couldn't be more different. I do see the similarities, but one is anti-war and the other is a thorough deconstruction of the hypocrisy of religion. KYE and AI I'll give you, the former is clearly just a weak version of the latter. I've spoken at length about my feelings on KYE, so I won't be doing it again.

Well yeah, I really don't like Horseshoes and Handgrenades. It's poorly placed on the album and there's too much thrown at it. It's one of my least favourite songs on that album.

When did I ASK people to like or dislike anything? You are ignorant towards my use of first language. I have made it clear that these are MY views. The argument begins with "I'd say that". Stop doing this, PLEASE. The world has seen enough ignorant people and apathy.

Please learn the definition of the word apathy before you try to use it.

What the hell do the Tubbies have to do with Green Day? Where you getting to? Fuck Time was more of Chuck Berry for me with elements of Teenage by MCR. Isn't Nightlife supposed to be a hip hop song, I thought rapping has a genre name called hip hop. Boulevard of Broken Dreams was not power pop. At best, it was Alternative Rock. Brutal Love is entirely different from BOBD and WMUWSE. Both those songs were about personal experiences and First persons whereas Brutal Love was something different. If there is anything that comes close to BOBD+WMUWSE, its 21 Guns.

The guy said that Green Day first tried Hardcore Punk with Nimrod, which is false because Insomniac was full of it. It seems like you're thoughts and posts are arguing with each other.

Are you shitting me? Not only are the Tubbies and Green Day the same damn band, but various Trilogy songs, INCLUDING FUCK TIME, were Tubbies songs originally. Rapping has a genre name - it's called rap. There's nothing hip hop about Nightlife, it's... I don't know what the fuck it is. Half arsed pop-rock with poorly rapped verses. And before you jump on me for it, I like Nightlife. As for Brutal Love, stylistically it's similar to the songs I mentioned. That's the point I was making.

I don't know what you're talking about with Insomniac/Nimrod/hardcore punk. I never made that point in the first place and I'm not arguing with it.

Billie himself admitted in an interview just before the trilogy release that he was short of lyrics while recording nimrod. He wrote some of the songs in the studio and said that he does not want the same thing to happen for the trilogy. You may look it up. It was even posted on GDA. Correct yourself FACTUALLY before telling me something. Last Ride In does sound like a song where they fell short of the lyrics, with repeating compositions and patterns. And if you think Last Ride In was the most creative thing they did for Nimrod, I think the whole point of making King for A day, Good Riddance or Prosthetic Head was pointless.

I know all this already. I'm not an idiot, I know Green Day very well. My point was, would you know they were short of lyrics just from listening to Last Ride In? No, you wouldn't. Repeating patterns are common in instrumentals, great instrumentals even. It may not have lyrics but it still has a distinct melody line. Good Riddance was nothing new at all, it was written even before 39/Smooth. King For A Day, yes, that's creative, I never said it wasn't. Prosthetic Head is just another Green Day song. Compare that to a surf rock instrumental and I'm sure I don't need to see why the latter is special.

Again, ignorance is bliss. You're failing to take into account the number of times I've said that Nimrod is a better record than the trilogy and that its my favorite record ever. They did not put out so many songs because they needed to put so many songs out just so people could like a few stinks of a lack of quality control. They did so because they had many ideas in their minds and wanted to put them out. Does Green Day really care about commercial success now? They can do whatever the hell they like. They put out the albums because they wanted to. They could have easily selected the best 10 or 12 and made a record. They're in the industry for a longer time and have more knowledge than you or me. Sitting behind a computer whining about the quality of a record won't get you anywhere

I get that they had a lot of ideas, but being as good songwriters as they are, they should know that ideas need to be developed. They had dozens of songs written for Breakdown, but they didn't put them all out because they weren't good enough. A band doesn't have to release absolutely everything they crap out, quality control is an important part of songwriting.

As for "sitting behind a computer whining about the quality of a record won't get you anywhere," what an absolutely ludicrous thing to say. What exactly do you expect me to do about it? That's right, I can't do anything. But does that mean I'm now allowed an opinion? Jesus fucking Christ. And furthermore, nothing ANYONE says about the quality of a record is going to make a difference to the record. Are you saying no one should bother to think critically anymore? Including your beloved Rolling Stone reviewers? That seems like some pretty solid hypocrisy right there.

Creativity According to Oxford(the use of imagination to create something; inventiveness:

They created a hell lot of stuff with the trilogy. Your argument is invalid and bogus. Never become a teacher. You will spoil the imagination of the future of this world by telling them kids that its important to 'make it better for the 100th time' instead of trying at all.

Yeah, I know what words mean, thanks for being so patronising. You're just spewing bile now. Never become a teacher because I'll encourage people to practice their art? Wow. That point is the straw man fallacy at it's absolute finest, good job.

Again, you're contradicting yourself. If critics are normal people, they're entitled to an opinion too and they're doing it at a professional level because people accept their judgement.

I got the numbers from Rolling Stone, one of the best selling musical magazines in the world. Instead of asking me where I got it from, mind checking it, mate>

And yes, Uno would have ranked higher if it sold at least a few more copies. Do you think One Direction's Album was better than that of Mumford and Sons? Well, they're ranked above them. just because it sold a hell lot more. Metacritic does not give a rating only on Frickle's opinion but on the opinion of 40

other websites and leading magazines, at least in the case of Uno.

How am I contradicting myself? I never said they're not entitled to their opinion, I'm just saying their opinions are no more valid than anyone else's. And you honestly think successful critics get where they are purely out of sharing the popular opinion? That's ridiculous. If you simply 'accept judgement' of reviewers rather than thinking for yourself you're doing something seriously wrong.

You never actually said the #8 ranking was from Rolling Stone in the first place, it seemed to be implied that that ranking was your own opinion. Honestly though, regardless of who said what, do you really, really think it matters how many copies a record sells? For what it's worth I dislike both One Direction and Mumford & Sons and don't think either album should have been anywhere near the top 10, but be that as it may - it's my opinion, just like those albums being ranked as they were is someone else's. But I don't understand why you buy Rolling Stone's opinion any more than anyone else's.

Well there's a mature response, thanks for that. If you think The Forgotten's lyrics are comparable with any of Billie's pre-Trilogy I really don't know what to do. It's based entirely around cliches and doesn't really say anything.

I'd like to direct you to this post. Let me know what you think.

[Anaïs.]

They weren't similar in every way. They can't have been, since they're different albums that contain different songs. I like how you're "amused" by me seeing the differences between the two when not doing is just pure ignorance. Sure they sound quite similar, I'll give you that, but that's because they're written by the same band only a few years apart. Not everyone can be Radiohead when it comes to diversity. But there are plenty of huge differences between the two albums, and to say otherwise is ignorant. The only similarity between BOBD and 21 Guns is that one drum fill before the second verse and the change in dynamics between the chorus and verse.

Since you're so obsessed with lyrics, EJN and Holiday couldn't be more different. I do see the similarities, but one is anti-war and the other is a thorough deconstruction of the hypocrisy of religion. KYE and AI I'll give you, the former is clearly just a weak version of the latter. I've spoken at length about my feelings on KYE, so I won't be doing it again.

Well yeah, I really don't like Horseshoes and Handgrenades. It's poorly placed on the album and there's too much thrown at it. It's one of my least favourite songs on that album.

Are you shitting me? Not only are the Tubbies and Green Day the same damn band, but various Trilogy songs, INCLUDING FUCK TIME, were Tubbies songs originally. Rapping has a genre name - it's called rap. There's nothing hip hop about Nightlife, it's... I don't know what the fuck it is. Half arsed pop-rock with poorly rapped verses. And before you jump on me for it, I like Nightlife. As for Brutal Love, stylistically it's similar to the songs I mentioned. That's the point I was making.

I don't know what you're talking about with Insomniac/Nimrod/hardcore punk. I never made that point in the first place and I'm not arguing with it.

I know all this already. I'm not an idiot, I know Green Day very well. My point was, would you know they were short of lyrics just from listening to Last Ride In? No, you wouldn't. Repeating patterns are common in instrumentals, great instrumentals even. It may not have lyrics but it still has a distinct melody line. Good Riddance was nothing new at all, it was written even before 39/Smooth. King For A Day, yes, that's creative, I never said it wasn't. Prosthetic Head is just another Green Day song. Compare that to a surf rock instrumental and I'm sure I don't need to see why the latter is special.

I get that they had a lot of ideas, but being as good songwriters as they are, they should know that ideas need to be developed. They had dozens of songs written for Breakdown, but they didn't put them all out because they weren't good enough. A band doesn't have to release absolutely everything they crap out, quality control is an important part of songwriting.

As for "sitting behind a computer whining about the quality of a record won't get you anywhere," what an absolutely ludicrous thing to say. What exactly do you expect me to do about it? That's right, I can't do anything. But does that mean I'm now allowed an opinion? Jesus fucking Christ. And furthermore, nothing ANYONE says about the quality of a record is going to make a difference to the record. Are you saying no one should bother to think critically anymore? That seems like some pretty solid hypocrisy right there.

Yeah, I know what words mean, thanks for being so patronising. You're just spewing bile now. Never become a teacher because I'll encourage people to practice their art? Wow. That point is the straw man fallacy at it's absolute finest, good job.

How am I contradicting myself? I never said they're not entitled to their opinion, I'm just saying their opinions are no more valid than anyone else's. And you honestly think successful critics get where they are purely out of sharing the popular opinion? That's ridiculous. If you simply 'accept judgement' of reviewers rather than thinking for yourself you're doing something seriously wrong.

Honestly though, regardless of who said what, do you really, really think it matters how many copies a record sells? For what it's worth I dislike both One Direction and Mumford & Sons and don't think either album should have been anywhere near the top 10, but be that as it may - it's my opinion, just like those albums being ranked as they were is someone else's. But I don't understand why you buy Rolling Stone's opinion any more than anyone else's.

Well there's a mature response, thanks for that. If you think The Forgotten's lyrics are comparable with any of Billie's pre-Trilogy I really don't know what to do. It's based entirely around cliches and doesn't really say anything.

Like. Like. All the like.

[Iva]

Rapping has a genre name - it's called rap.

I don't like correcting you on any given point, but it's hip-hop, if you want to be super-precise.

As for everything else, ay-men, sir.

[Z J]

Breakdown isn't particularly creative in terms of the diversity of the music. Certainly not compared to Warning or Nimrod. Most of Breakdown can be put into two categories: Stadium Rock, or Ballad. Maybe Peacemaker and Horseshoes and Handgrenades are the only two which don't fit into either category.

As for the Trilogy? Say what you like about it, but there is a diversity of sound that hasn't been present since maybe Warning or Nimrod. Stadium Rock, Garage Rock, Pop Punk, straight up Rock 'n' Roll, Ballad, Rap ...

Uhh well they introduced something completely new to their arsenal with Last Night On Earth (piano ballad), and they did it again with Peacemaker which is like nothing they've ever done before. Then you could consider the fact that they threw a mostly-falsetto rock ballad in there with RHS. Or look at a song like Viva La Gloria! where you go from piano/string ballad to stadium-punk song. I haven't even discussed Viva La Gloria?. It is a song unlike anything in their catalog as well. Never have they done a song with so much operatic influence. Oh and there are the lullaby-esque intros that should be considered. And never have they really a song like Before the Lobotomy with that quiet falsetto rising in to an absolute power house rock song.

Overall they introduced AT LEAST 3 completely new genres with LNOE, Little Girl, and Peacemaker.

Also fuck whoever said Last Night on Earth wasn't a piano ballad....I mean... really? Come on now you're better than that GDC

[The Disappearing Boy]

Uhh well they introduced something completely new to their arsenal with Last Night On Earth (piano ballad), and they did it again with Peacemaker which is like nothing they've ever done before. Then you could consider the fact that they threw a mostly-falsetto rock ballad in there with RHS. Or look at a song like Viva La Gloria! where you go from piano/string ballad to stadium-punk song. I haven't even discussed Viva La Gloria?. It is a song unlike anything in their catalog as well. Never have they done a song with so much operatic influence. Oh and there are the lullaby-esque intros that should be considered. And never have they really a song like Before the Lobotomy with that quiet falsetto rising in to an absolute power house rock song.

Overall they introduced AT LEAST 3 completely new genres with LNOE, Little Girl, and Peacemaker.

Also fuck whoever said Last Night on Earth wasn't a piano ballad....I mean... really? Come on now you're better than that GDC

Breakdown introduced a lot of new ideas like you've pointed out, but I still think, in terms of the number of different genres covered, the Trilogy probably beats it. While Breakdown is fairly diverse, I still think the Trilogy is more so with the number of different genres covered.

[Spike]

The Trilogy wins in terms of how many different genres it covered, but Breakdown wins hands down when it comes to how many genres they did WELL.

[Z J]

Breakdown introduced a lot of new ideas like you've pointed out, but I still think, in terms of the number of different genres covered, the Trilogy probably beats it. While Breakdown is fairly diverse, I still think the Trilogy is more so with the number of different genres covered.

Well you are talking about genres they've already covered in regards to the Trilogy. Plus 37 song sample vs. 18. 21CB wins on percentage

[The Disappearing Boy]

Well you are talking about genres they've already covered in regards to the Trilogy. Plus 37 song sample vs. 18. 21CB wins on percentage

I said that the Trilogy was the most creative thing they'd done since Warning / Nimrod - some of the genres they covered on the Trilogy they hadn't done for a long time. Breakdown was more creative than AI, but not as creative as the Trilogy in my opinion Having said that, I'm still a Trilogy hater to a certain extent

And because of being a Trilogy hater, I've found a new love for Breakdown. I used to think that it was one of the worst things Green Day had released, the I heard the Trilogy and realised JUST how bad they could be if they put their minds to it, and my appreciation for the Trilogy went up!

Edit: Yeah, Tom said it pretty well probably!

[Spike]

Edit: Yeah, Tom said it pretty well probably!

You say that like it's news

[Jason Fox]

Man I think I'm done reading this thread anymore

[Spike]

Man I think I'm done reading this thread anymore

Good to know. Enjoy the rest of the forum.