Unpopular Green Day Opinions

[Z J]

I agree they worked hard and deserve all their success, no question. But you don't get to play a thing like iHeart without having the suits do their thing for you, that's just a fact.

I guess it was "rock star" like, but I don't see that as any kind of admirable thing and never have. If we were to take away the fact he was tripping balls and was in desperate need of help, which is something we didn't really know the full extent of at the time, it was just a really dickish thing to do and there was no need for it. Ultimately it was the least punk meltdown ever.

Idk I guess I just feel that since he's been getting hammered all these years on stage, it never really struck me as so life-threatening or that he was desperate for help. If you take that aspect away, it is easy for me to be entertained by him melting down in front of a bunch of people who probably don't even like rock music. It is very similar to the Good Riddance video I posted over in Random thoughts or whatever we call that shell of a thread. Except the whole rehab thing happened after.

For me, iHeart ranked up there with the mudfight, that new years good riddance performance, dive-bombing a fan in 95, and lighting the stage on fire after Good Riddance as some of the most rock n roll things he and the band have done.

I wouldn't say I admire it, like I would admire the fan dive-bombing. But I do find it amusing and I think if you consider the fact that he didn't give a rats ass about these people who clearly didn't give a rats ass about him then look at the event then you could at least see why drunken outrage was one of the more respectable ways you could leave that show

[Spike]

Idk I guess I just feel that since he's been getting hammered all these years on stage, it never really struck me as so life-threatening or that he was desperate for help. If you take that aspect away, it is easy for me to be entertained by him melting down in front of a bunch of people who probably don't even like rock music. It is very similar to the Good Riddance video I posted over in Random thoughts or whatever we call that shell of a thread. Except the whole rehab thing happened after.

For me, iHeart ranked up there with the mudfight, that new years good riddance performance, dive-bombing a fan in 95, and lighting the stage on fire after Good Riddance as some of the most rock n roll things he and the band have done.

I wouldn't say I admire it, like I would admire the fan dive-bombing. But I do find it amusing and I think if you consider the fact that he didn't give a rats ass about these people who clearly didn't give a rats ass about him then look at the event then you could at least see why drunken outrage was one of the more respectable ways you could leave that show

I see what you mean really, yeah. I just don't see it as up there with the events you mentioned as the mudfight was mostly the crowd's doing and it was at a rock festival, Good Riddance was at a time when everyone was hammered and anyone could have been playing and gone down well, that fan probably deserved to be dive-bombed and setting the stage on fire was nothing new and happened at their own shows. I dunno, maybe it's the musician in me talking rather than the music fan. It's a pet peeve of mine when bands agree to do a show that goes against what they stand for and then rant at the promoters about something totally irrelevant.

[Oxymore]

Is it bad that when I'm really pissed off, I watch the Iheart rant because it calms me down and makes me feel better. Yes it's awful what Billie went through and im so glad he got help, but damn it makes you feel better after listening to it.

Quite unpopular yes

But why that ? Personnally for me it's the exact reverse feeling, I'm like a terrified fangirl, like, ''oh my god he's so wasted'', and seeing his dirty face, the way he sang (so so bad) and everything kinda hurt me. No sorry completely hurt me. Especially at one moment during Oh Love when one time I really thought he was crying.

And the worst, when he encourages the public to sing and he gets... no reply. Nothing. I find it horrible.

I needed to say.

It makes me feel so uncomfortable and sorry for them, that gets me more pissed off than the begining.

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

I think the band shit out the Trilogy on purpose, knowing it would be a flop. They probably sat back, looked at the fact that all their work was being compared to AI (a pretty un-toppable standard) and went, "Oh fuck this, let's put out some terrible albums so that our critics hit the re-set button for us." Now, their next album will be compared to the Trilogy, and will seem absolutely fucking brilliant.

Conspiracies. I like it.

"Hello? This is Brandon, but my friends call me Spike now?"

Brandon is my fiancé and Spike is my cat. Just a random side note. Totally forgot that song existed until right now.

And I thought the drunken-fit he threw on national TV was the most rock-star like thing anyone's done in awhile, and I think the matter of whether he was right or wrong are semantics. I miss the rock n' roll attitude. Green Day still brings that and it shows when people like Alice Cooper call them one of the few true rock bands left.

Just like punk music, rock n roll is more than just music its an attitude.

This is the exact sentiment everyone gave immediately after iHeart happened, and I disagreed with it then and I still disagree with it now wholeheartedly. It was childish, stupid and desperate, and he clearly needed help. There was nothing "rock star" about it. He agreed to do the event, then threw a bitch fit on stage, barely strung together coherent sentences and sounded like complete and utter shit. He made an ass of himself. He won't even watch the video himself.

I agree that rock n' roll is an attitude, but agreeing to play a stupid TV event like an iHeart Radio festival and then having a meltdown about "Not being Justin Bieber" is not that attitude at all. The set wasn't even cut. They made that clear later.

I agree they worked hard and deserve all their success, no question. But you don't get to play a thing like iHeart without having the suits do their thing for you, that's just a fact.

I guess it was "rock star" like, but I don't see that as any kind of admirable thing and never have. If we were to take away the fact he was tripping balls and was in desperate need of help, which is something we didn't really know the full extent of at the time, it was just a really dickish thing to do and there was no need for it. Ultimately it was the least punk meltdown ever.

I second all this. Except it being "rock star" like. Fuck that shit.

Quite unpopular yes

But why that ? Personnally for me it's the exact reverse feeling, I'm like an terrified fangirl, like, ''oh my god he's so wasted'', and seeing his dirty face, the way he sang (so so bad) and everything kinda hurt me. No sorry completely hurt me. Especially at one moment during Oh Love when one time I really thought he was crying.

And the worst, when he encourages the public so sing and he gets... no reply. Nothing. I find it horrible.

I needed to say.

It makes me feel so uncomfortable and sorry for them, that gets me more pissed off than the begining.

This. So much this.

[Spike]

I think it was definitely "rock star" and it's just that the "rock n roll attitude" is simply synonymous with being an absolute asshole.

[Z J]

Conspiracies. I like it.

Brandon is my fiancé and Spike is my cat. Just a random side note. Totally forgot that song existed until right now.

This is the exact sentiment everyone gave immediately after iHeart happened, and I disagreed with it then and I still disagree with it now wholeheartedly. It was childish, stupid and desperate, and he clearly needed help. There was nothing "rock star" about it. He agreed to do the event, then threw a bitch fit on stage, barely strung together coherent sentences and sounded like complete and utter shit. He made an ass of himself. He won't even watch the video himself.

I agree that rock n' roll is an attitude, but agreeing to play a stupid TV event like an iHeart Radio festival and then having a meltdown about "Not being Justin Bieber" is not that attitude at all. The set wasn't even cut. They made that clear later.

Yes this is a very unpopular opinion of mine, oh well. And as I said, if you want to break it down to who was right and who was wrong then obviously Billie was wrong, seeing as is rant made no sense and he agreed to appear at the show.

I think it was definitely "rock star" and it's just that the "rock n roll attitude" is simply synonymous with being an absolute asshole.

I think it is more synonymous with not giving a fuck what people think, I guess. And that is more what those events I mentioned represent.

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

I think it was definitely "rock star" and it's just that the "rock n roll attitude" is simply synonymous with being an absolute asshole.

But when you're blacked out and you don't even realize what you're saying, is that really having any sort of attitude about anything? I mean, after we found out what happened (although we clearly knew from the beginning that he was shitfaced), how can anyone say it's any sort of "rock n' roll" stance? It was just drunken stupidity. He didn't remember any of it, right?

[Z J]

I see what you mean really, yeah. I just don't see it as up there with the events you mentioned as the mudfight was mostly the crowd's doing and it was at a rock festival, Good Riddance was at a time when everyone was hammered and anyone could have been playing and gone down well, that fan probably deserved to be dive-bombed and setting the stage on fire was nothing new and happened at their own shows. I dunno, maybe it's the musician in me talking rather than the music fan. It's a pet peeve of mine when bands agree to do a show that goes against what they stand for and then rant at the promoters about something totally irrelevant.

The actual content of the rant was pointless and he was in the wrong, that I do know. Also bands generally are thrown in to these events by their manager/label, he likely had little say in it

I understand that this is a pretty unpopular opinion, people generally hate being an idiot for being an idiot's sake, but the general spirit and feel of rock n roll is to put aside the public's opinion and do what you fucking want. iHeart doesn't rep that perfectly but it was more than can be said for some bands nowadays.

I just don't get how we can celebrate his New Years Good Riddance performance then rip him for iHeart. Same exact process with a different result.

But when you're blacked out and you don't even realize what you're saying, is that really having any sort of attitude about anything? I mean, after we found out what happened (although we clearly knew from the beginning that he was shitfaced), how can anyone say it's any sort of "rock n' roll" stance? It was just drunken stupidity. He didn't remember any of it, right?

Drunken stupidity has been half of Green Day's career, they're childish, and I love it.

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

Drunken stupidity has been half of Green Day's career, they're childish, and I love it.

Oh, I have nothing against drunken stupidity, but I think people severely overanalyzed his intent with iHeart Radio.

Us = Aww, yay Billie, you're our hero! Save rock n' roll with your guitar smashing! Make a statement!

Billie = Yeah fuck this stupid shit I'm gonna drink myself into oblivion and say and do things I regret.

[Z J]

Oh, I have nothing against drunken stupidity, but I think people severely overanalyzed his intent with iHeart Radio.

Us = Aww, yay Billie, you're our hero! Save rock n' roll with your guitar smashing! Make a statement!

Billie = Yeah fuck this stupid shit I'm gonna drink myself into oblivion and say and do things I regret.

ya I don't really believe he had any intent to do what he did obviously haha I'm just saying I enjoyed the result especially given how little a fuck the crowd had given to that point

[HolyHandGrenade]

Although substance abuse can make for inspired music live or in the studio (i.e. Pet Sounds), I prefer a band with a secure future and consistency in quality and general band health. Five good albums and years of touring are more valuable than one great album, a year of touring, and a self-destruction. Of course, Green Day cares about each other more than some who would fire a member, so I'm glad that there was a catalyst/final straw in the form of iHeart.

Also, alcohol poisoning is a thing, so that's hopefully an extra five years for BJ with no relapse.

Having a rock n roll attitude is not dependent on drugs, it's all a frame of mind.

Just some thoughts...

[WhiteTim]

The actual content of the rant was pointless and he was in the wrong, that I do know. Also bands generally are thrown in to these events by their manager/label, he likely had little say in it

I understand that this is a pretty unpopular opinion, people generally hate being an idiot for being an idiot's sake, but the general spirit and feel of rock n roll is to put aside the public's opinion and do what you fucking want. iHeart doesn't rep that perfectly but it was more than can be said for some bands nowadays.

I just don't get how we can celebrate his New Years Good Riddance performance then rip him for iHeart. Same exact process with a different result.

Drunken stupidity has been half of Green Day's career, they're childish, and I love it.

Green Day are a big enough band that they dont have to do what a label tells them to do plus on top of that Warner doesnt book their shows

They did the show cause CC reached out to the band and they agree to

[Guest]

The only thing iHeart taught me is that Billie can't handle his pints. Serious jaw on him after a few drinks.

[Oxymore]

The only thing iHeart taught me is that Billie can't handle his pints. Serious jaw on him after a few drinks.

Sarcasm here, right ? You know Iheart didn'thappen just because of a fucking glass of fucking wine.

[Jax Teller]

Sarcasm here, right ? You know Iheart didn'thappen just because of a fucking glass of fucking wine.

If anyone read the interview in Rolling Stone I don't think it's possible to believe that a glass of wine is responsible for what happened.

[Oxymore]

If anyone read the interview in Rolling Stone I don't think it's possible to believe that a glass of wine is responsible for what happened.

Exactly what I think. There weren't only beer or wine but also drugs (I mean medicine, sorry, I don't know how to say pills etc). Plus he was already pissed off, plus Iheart is a fucking shit, plus he had just one fucking minute remaining, plus the public was shitty and when he encouraged crowd to sing they didn't do so and it must have been so embarassing and sad... And this was just the last straw. He needed to be treated at some point.

(And this interview....... <3)

[Spike]

Ultimately the entire situation was self-inflicted on every imaginable level. *shrug*

[Guest]

Moral of the story kids, don't mix paracetamol with your shandy.

[DookieLukie]

Personally I've always thought he was totally in the wrong. He agreed to play the show in the first place, he knew full well how long the band's set was going to be (it came out later that their time wasn't cut), and given that Usher started his career in 1987, "I've been around since 1988" as an argument is just silly. If you fundamentally disagree with the state of rap and pop music, don't agree to play a show that's made up entirely of rap and pop acts. It's not like they've never played festivals before and don't know how time slots work, and you plan your set accordingly, rather than being so arrogant as to think those times don't apply to you just because you've been around a while. Saying "I'm just Justin Bieber" after being introduced to an audience full of tweens by Demi Lovato and AC Slater at a glorified commercial for a smartphone app owned by the Clear Channel is utterly hilarious. In that context, the only difference between Green Day and Bieber is that Green Day used guitars to become a Top 40 pop act. He was complaining about rich, entitled pop singers who wouldn't be where they are today without the help of a bunch of industry suits - which is exactly what he is himself.

*puts up flame shield* No shits given.

FYI, Green Day's set was shorter than everyone else that performed that night. I watched it life and that popped out to me immediately. They're set was cut because Usher went over and they needed time for Rihanna's full set. When they came out and said that set was not cut, that was Warner trying to make amends.

[Spike]

FYI, Green Day's set was shorter than everyone else that performed that night. I watched it life and that popped out to me immediately. They're set was cut because Usher went over and they needed time for Rihanna's full set. When they came out and said that set was not cut, that was Warner trying to make amends.

Wasn't their set the same length as Aerosmith's, Taylor Swift's and Pink's the following day? If it's true that their time was cut, they must have known that before they went on. It's very much within Billie's nature to totally disrespect stage times or curfews, so it's not really a surprise he pulled that shit, but some events just don't let people get away with that kind of thing.

[Hermione]

FYI, Green Day's set was shorter than everyone else that performed that night. I watched it life and that popped out to me immediately. They're set was cut because Usher went over and they needed time for Rihanna's full set. When they came out and said that set was not cut, that was Warner trying to make amends.

Whether it was actually shorter/cut or not is irrelevant, Billie was in no state to have known exactly what was going on with the time and the same rant/meltdown would've happened as soon as he saw that timer going down however long their set had been.

[Oxymore]

I always thought IHeart was a very sad state of affairs all around, and a lot of factors contributed to Billie's melt-down.... stress, being over-worked/over-booked, a big anniversary of his dad's death, the drinking/drugs getting out of control of course, and then performing at an event like iHeart, which isn't exactly Green Day's home turf. Usually when GD performs they're surrounded by people who are huge fans and are there specifically to see them, so it must have been strange and surreal for him to be performing in front of a very tough crowd that wouldn't interact in the way he's used to. Of course, the professional thing would have been to run through GD's greatest hits and exit with as much grace as possible, but obviously he wasn't in a professional frame of mind I never thought the melt-down was "rock-star" or planned, or organized, it always to me seemed to be almost what a toddler does when there's too much going on and they can't handle it. Not saying Billie's a toddler, just saying that I think the melt-down came from the same sort of exhausted, out of control, end of your rope sort of place. And there's nothing sexy or admirable about that, it's just very, very sad.

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You perfectly summed up my thoughts. It's so sad.

[WhiteTim]

FYI, Green Day's set was shorter than everyone else that performed that night. I watched it life and that popped out to me immediately. They're set was cut because Usher went over and they needed time for Rihanna's full set. When they came out and said that set was not cut, that was Warner trying to make amends.

They were NOT cut short...

They were contracted for 30 mins and got 30 mins

[DookieLukie]

As sad as the meltdown was, when it happened it boosted by gusto for Green Day again.

[The Disappearing Boy]

Even if it were cut short, they should've just sucked up their anger and played anyway. They've been around long enough to know that that is how it works sometimes at these kind of events.