Spike Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 I've been calling something of Nimrod levels of interest/quality for ages now. One massive song that gets the public interested again, plenty of other solid and pretty good songs, and a bit of filler. That's basically every Green Day album, right I'd be shocked if that didn't happen, anyway. They just need to remember that quality > quantity. Just because Billie writes a million songs a week doesn't mean they should use them all. I dunno, this is pure speculation but maybe Billie's alcohol issues were making him difficult to say no to, so Mike and Tre couldn't stop him from abandoning quality in favour of releasing 37 songs in quick succession.
Guest Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 That's basically every Green Day album, right I'd be shocked if that didn't happen, anyway. They just need to remember that quality > quantity. Just because Billie writes a million songs a week doesn't mean they should use them all. I dunno, this is pure speculation but maybe Billie's alcohol issues were making him difficult to say no to, so Mike and Tre couldn't stop him from abandoning quality in favour of releasing 37 songs in quick succession. Yeah, it definitely feels like Mike and Tré got sidelined a lot in the recording process over the last decade. Hopefully with Billie being a bit less over-confident Mike and Tré can add a bit of the old Green Day quirk to the next album, like on Insomniac/Nimrod.
jacknovella Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 I wonder how much of an effect constantly being filmed in the studio had too? I imagine however discreet the cameras/crew were...it would be almost impossible to totally forget they're there. Especially because the guys seem to really appreciate their privacy.
Anaïs. Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 I wonder how much of an effect constantly being filmed in the studio had too? I imagine however discreet the cameras/crew were...it would be almost impossible to totally forget they're there. Especially because the guys seem to really appreciate their privacy. They shot Heart Like a Hand Grenade in the studio too, though.
jacknovella Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 They shot Heart Like a Hand Grenade in the studio too, though. That's true! Totally forgot about that actually. Nevermind
DookieLukie Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 That's basically every Green Day album, right I'd be shocked if that didn't happen, anyway. They just need to remember that quality > quantity. Just because Billie writes a million songs a week doesn't mean they should use them all. I dunno, this is pure speculation but maybe Billie's alcohol issues were making him difficult to say no to, so Mike and Tre couldn't stop him from abandoning quality in favour of releasing 37 songs in quick succession. Random, but that sentence about Billie writing a million songs a week made me chuckle
The Disappearing Boy Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 Them breaking up is unlikely. Not impossible, but unlikely. Music is something Billie loves. It's the one addiction that doesn't do him any harm. He's loved Green Day for 26/27 years, and I just can't see them/him giving it up easily. It is quite likely that he still hasn't recovered from iHeart - how well/ill he is none of us have any idea, but I thin it will be a while before we see anything new from them. As for future success? Do I want them to make another album with American Idiot/Dookie levels of success? Yes. I wasn't a fan for either of those releases, so it would be fun to be a part of it. Are they capable of doing it? Not sure. Probably, yes. They've done it twice - why not a third time. Will they have another smash album? It all depends on one thing - luck. AI and Dookie were massive coz they tapped into a particular zeitgeist. Release those records one or two years before/after they were, and they may not have done so well. If luck is on their side, they could do it, but that's a big ask.
HolyHandGrenade Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 I find it ironic that there are predictions of them breaking up 1) because of the quality/reception to their music and 2) the fact that we are now with "post-rehab" Billie Joe. First of all, all three of these guys love making music and will continue to put stuff out as long as they and the fans are enjoying it. No matter how "bad" the content gets, I can't imagine people jumping ship and straight up abandoning the band because of one botched project. Second, the rehab should have saved the band. It was probably much more likely for them to self destruct and break up before things unfolded the way they did. We take it for granted, but as fans we were incredibly lucky to get most of the 99 Revs tour.
Guest Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 I find it ironic that there are predictions of them breaking up 1) because of the quality/reception to their music and 2) the fact that we are now with "post-rehab" Billie Joe. First of all, all three of these guys love making music and will continue to put stuff out as long as they and the fans are enjoying it. No matter how "bad" the content gets, I can't imagine people jumping ship and straight up abandoning the band because of one botched project. Second, the rehab should have saved the band. It was probably much more likely for them to self destruct and break up before things unfolded the way they did. We take it for granted, but as fans we were incredibly lucky to get most of the 99 Revs tour. Most of us are just saying that a breakup is quite possibly on the cards. If none of the guys are enjoying Green Day right now, they're better off not doing it just to keep fans happy. They all have side projects that they can work away with making music. As for the rehab thing, Green Day reaching the end of their musical curve was inevitable. There's only so far you can take 4 power chords, and the Trilogy proved that. Most of the riffs are rehashes of older songs or songs by other artists, and the lyrics were quite frankly terrible. Even if they had broken up there wasn't much to save, by the looks of the Trilogy.
jacknovella Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 Think it's worth noting that Billie Joe said in the Rolling Stone interview that he has no doubt he will still be in Green Day for decades to come...obviously a lot can change in a year, though.
Anaïs. Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 Think it's worth noting that Billie Joe said in the Rolling Stone interview that he has no doubt he will still be in Green Day for decades to come...obviously a lot can change in a year, though. Billie says a lot of things, God bless him.
cocoepops Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 I have heard Billie Joe say enough times that Green Day is who he is. I honestly think he could never ever leave that band, I think he loves it too much, it's too big a part of him.
Guest Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 I have heard Billie Joe say enough times that Green Day is who he is. I honestly think he could never ever leave that band, I think he loves it too much, it's too big a part of him. He said that lots of times, but all of those times were back in the good old days when he was having a wonderful time drugged up off his tits. That's no longer an option for him, and may have changed his views a little.
jacknovella Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 He said that lots of times, but all of those times were back in the good old days when he was having a wonderful time drugged up off his tits. That's no longer an option for him, and may have changed his views a little. In all fairness he has said that post-rehab.
Guest Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 In all fairness he has said that post-rehab. Before he went back on tour and experienced all those stresses sober. A few months can change a lot.
cocoepops Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 He said that lots of times, but all of those times were back in the good old days when he was having a wonderful time drugged up off his tits. That's no longer an option for him, and may have changed his views a little. I think you're putting words in to his mouth a little, it's best not to speculate. Getting people worked up over nothing.
Anaïs. Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 I think you're putting words in to his mouth a little, it's best not to speculate. Getting people worked up over nothing. Kinda the modus operandi here.
Guest Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 I think you're putting words in to his mouth a little, it's best not to speculate. Getting people worked up over nothing. I'm not really putting words in his mouth at all. All I did was point out his state of mind when he said those aforementioned words. Also, how long have you been on GDC? People get 10 pages of a thread out of a badly worded hashtag
The Disappearing Boy Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 He said that lots of times, but all of those times were back in the good old days when he was having a wonderful time drugged up off his tits. That's no longer an option for him, and may have changed his views a little. He wasn't off his face all that time. Him being sober won't change his love for music.
cocoepops Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 I'm not really putting words in his mouth at all. All I did was point out his state of mind when he said those aforementioned words. Also, how long have you been on GDC? People get 10 pages of a thread out of a badly worded hashtag This makes me feel better because to me at Leeds he looked ecstatic!! So I'm going to sit here in the defiant mind state that he is as happy as larry and Green Day will live forever and ever amen
Guest Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 He wasn't off his face all that time. Him being sober won't change his love for music. No, but he was using alcohol/drugs as an enabler to help him perform. That love may have been dampened somewhat with sobriety.
alexandra_1039 Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 wow reading through this you guys are either being really optimistic or looking at the worst case scenario. hahah STOP SCARING ME LIKE THIS. what about the "rehab" album we talked about?! thats what im expecting come on guys, lets have a little faith in our band
Z J Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 I have to firmly disagree with him being unhappy. Reading was fine vocally, not as good as 21cb tour obviously, but it was miles away better than rock am ring. Billie also seemed to be incredibly happy with Foreverly. Of course that isn't a point supporting his staying in Green Day. If this were any other band, I think I would agree that a breakup could be on the horizon. But based off of a number of things, including comments by Billie, the band, and their past, I just don't see them breaking up. I could see a break, but even a break seems like something they just don't want to do. If they are going to remain a band, I can't see them wanting the trilogy to be their last album. It would leave everyone with a bad taste in their mouth. With the 20th anniversary of Dookie and the 10th anniversary of AI coming up, there's a good chance we'll see something get released. As for brand new stuff in the next year, I think we either see Billie release something, or the band release something, or both. Billie, Mike, and Tre love music too much. Taking a step back and looking at it objectively is difficult for any of us to do, for obvious reasons. We all (sans Ceadog) want to see them continue on. I do believe they have plenty left in the tank, and I believe firmly we will see this band release another album from Green Day.
Mar Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 Before he went back on tour and experienced all those stresses sober. A few months can change a lot. I definitely don't think Billie did a 180 and grew to hate the band, the music and touring, but it wouldn't surprise me if this is true. It may have been easier to block out the bullshit that comes with life on the road when there's ways to distract yourself from them and let yourself get lost in the show, which is how I think a lot of people were stunned by rehab. It was easy to believe that the alcohol and drugs were normal and not too negative, because he was a consummate professional onstage (I know I didn't think too much of them until the Italy show cancellation or so, when I assumed alcohol poisoning caused the cancellation). Billie's hinted as much, and that's probably how it became so normal ... who would want to deal with the stressors of tour when you didn't have to? OK, I'll be quiet before I get all armchair psychologist here, because I obviously have no clue what's happening in his life. But while, again, I still think he's a man that lives to be onstage, there was a little more orchestration and maybe boredom in this tour than we saw previously. Was it due to being post-rehab? I have no fucking clue it wouldn't surprise me, but maybe I'm just trying to look for an excuse to cover for the fact that I may not have loved my show as much as I did compared to my 21CB one were it not for the fact that I had an amazing experience at it for myriad reasons I won't get into since this isn't a tour forum!
Jollyroger118 Posted January 17, 2014 Posted January 17, 2014 The whole "rehab album" and thinking that it changed anything seems stupid to me, sorry but he was like in rehab for a month or two...at home I believe unless it's ever been confirmed he was in a facility which I don't believe he was. That said I've seen a great interview with them during Insomniacs era where they were totally burnt out with touring and the business (and probably dope) but you could just see how tired they were. I know they were much younger back then but point is they've felt this way before. Billie might be a little bitter cause the trilogy was such a flop (rightfully so) that it may have stung his pride a bit and made him question his own talent but I think with more time he'll be fine. Billie Mike and Tre are best friends, there's not many bands like them who stick together the way they do. Hell a lot of other bands members don't even live in the same state. To me it seems even if they all gave up music they'd still be friends. But I highly doubt they're done but there's nothing wrong with them taking a break. I think Billie's at a point in his life where he's kind of like "what do I do now and where am I going?". It's natural for any middle aged man, let alone someone who's had the whole world on his back, at least as far as Green Day and all that comes with it means. He'll bounce back but he needs some time to just be Billie Joe Armstrong, a guy from Cali who makes cool songs. Not Billie Joe of Green Day who's conquered the musical world and feels like everyone's watching his next move, some putting too much hopes and dreams on him and others hoping he fails miserably. That being said my biggest concern is that Billie wont realize that's what he needs cause he may be too eager to get back out there and prove himself again but I think things will work out. I'm super excited to see how they do in Australia but I'd have rather they didn't even bother just to give them more time. But I cant help but be excited about it since they have had a bit of time and all, I'm hoping for another setlist like at Dreamforce. I wish there were more videos of that. And Billie's never been a technically great singer but throughout their whole career, ever during one tour he's had better nights and worse. But seriously he really needs time to recharge and I hope he takes as much as he likes. But I also hope the anniversary's of Dookie and AI don't pass by unnoticed. No touring or nothing but a live album or just something special is needed. Not even for AI as much but definitely for Dookie, 20 years is a big deal and that was their smash album
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