Spike Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 Wasn't really an attempt at trolling. Rehab can give you a fresh perspective on life, and maybe he's just not into that lifestyle anymore. It's a high pressure job with a ton of expectations, where he's surrounded by booze and drugs on a nearly 24/7 basis. It's a recovering addict's nightmare, and I wouldn't blame him if he was considering retirement. It's not like he's gonna go broke now or anything, he could live in comfort for the rest of his life just on royalties. Reasonable point I guess. I'm trying to see it objectively and not go into denial, but I honestly think it's too soon to draw a conclusion like that. I can see them taking a new direction, maybe, but I really don't see retirement as likely. He probably needs the band as a distraction from alcohol, if nothing else. Can you imagine him sitting at home all day bored out of his mind? It probably wouldn't end well, and he'd write another Longview, and I'd never listen to Green Day again.
Guest Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 Reasonable point I guess. I'm trying to see it objectively and not go into denial, but I honestly think it's too soon to draw a conclusion like that. I can see them taking a new direction, maybe, but I really don't see retirement as likely. He probably needs the band as a distraction from alcohol, if nothing else. Can you imagine him sitting at home all day bored out of his mind? It probably wouldn't end well, and he'd write another Longview, and I'd never listen to Green Day again. Yeah it's more of a theory than anything else. I just can't envision a way in which the rockstar lifestyle would be a good thing for him right now. Maybe if he went into producing or something it'd suit him better.
munns6691 Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 Yeah it's more of a theory than anything else. I just can't envision a way in which the rockstar lifestyle would be a good thing for him right now. Maybe if he went into producing or something it'd suit him better. There can be bands without drugs/alcohol..
JOE THE X-KID Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 Just gonna put it out there. Scumbag is a brilliant track
Guest Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 There can be bands without drugs/alcohol.. It's not just the drugs/alcohol though. He's the frontman of a huge rock band, and that's an unbelievable amount of pressure to place on a recovering addict, especially one who relied upon drugs and booze to self-medicate his stage fright.
Anaïs. Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 Gotta agree with this. I just get the feeling that he's just not interested in touring/being a part of Green Day right now. Back before rehab and everything he seemed really happy, as fucked up as he was. Perhaps sobriety doesn't suit him. Honestly, as sad as I am to say it, if this is the case, I'd rather the band retired and didn't give us anything more rather than have another album turn out like the Trilogy. If Billie's heart won't be in it, I don't think we can expect a great comeback, and I'd rather have them go out with a spectacular failure than a spectacular failure and a lackluster effort. ...wow, this is like the IHeart thread all over again.
jacknovella Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 It's definitely possible. I guess we'll see what happens the next time they come around. It's worth thinking about that perhaps the trilogy had an effect? American Idiot was huge, 21st Century Breakdown wasn't as big but was still a pretty successful album, and the Trilogy is the first Green Day project in almost ten years that hasn't had that success...that must be a bit jarring, even though I don't consider Green Day a band who care about success as much as others do. After all the excitement they showed in Quatro, it must be disconcerting to play the material to crowds that hardly know the songs/don't get into it.
Spike Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 Yeah it's more of a theory than anything else. I just can't envision a way in which the rockstar lifestyle would be a good thing for him right now. Maybe if he went into producing or something it'd suit him better. Yeah, I agree. That said, I don't even see where they've got left to go when it comes to their style of music. They're hardly breaking new ground, but I could really see them doing something more unplugged, like a Skin And Bones type thing. That'd be a whole new experience for them, and wouldn't necessarily perpetuate a 'rockstar lifestyle.' The thing is though, I've never got the impression Mike and Tre are into that kind of lifestyle either, so I'm sure Billie has all the support he needs in that respect.
Anaïs. Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 The thing is though, I've never got the impression Tre is into that kind of lifestyle either, so I'm sure Billie has all the support he needs in that respect.
munns6691 Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 It's not just the drugs/alcohol though. He's the frontman of a huge rock band, and that's an unbelievable amount of pressure to place on a recovering addict, especially one who relied upon drugs and booze to self-medicate his stage fright. That is true, I just can't see him doing anything else
Guest Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 Yeah, I agree. That said, I don't even see where they've got left to go when it comes to their style of music. They're hardly breaking new ground, but I could really see them doing something more unplugged, like a Skin And Bones type thing. That'd be a whole new experience for them, and wouldn't necessarily perpetuate a 'rockstar lifestyle.' The thing is though, I've never got the impression Mike and Tre are into that kind of lifestyle either, so I'm sure Billie has all the support he needs in that respect. Yeah I can't say I'd be too broken up if Green Day stopped making new music. The Trilogy heavily hinted that they'd reached the end of their creative arc, and bar a complete genre change, there's not much they can do in the area of barre chord based pop punk/rock. The acoustic idea doesn't sit well with me, because I'm not really sure it'd work too well for them, but I'd be open to being proven wrong. Basically, I wouldn't be totally shocked if a retirement/hiatus announcement came soon.
Anaïs. Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 That is true, I just can't see him doing anything else He could become a novelist. Maybe people would take his utter lack of punctuation and proper grammar for a literary device.
HolyHandGrenade Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 Yeah, I agree. That said, I don't even see where they've got left to go when it comes to their style of music. They're hardly breaking new ground, but I could really see them doing something more unplugged, like a Skin And Bones type thing. That'd be a whole new experience for them, and wouldn't necessarily perpetuate a 'rockstar lifestyle.' The thing is though, I've never got the impression Mike and Tre are into that kind of lifestyle either, so I'm sure Billie has all the support he needs in that respect. I feel like when the conditions are right, they have the ability to produce wildly unique and quality stuff. Just look at Warning, The Network, and American Idiot (plus some C+V) all in half a decade, and you can't forget about FBHT either
Guest Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 That is true, I just can't see him doing anything else Spend more time with his wife, find new passions and interests, get into expanding his record label and producing? It's not like being a rockstar is all he can do. He's a celebrity now, and there's plenty of things he can do to keep busy.
Anaïs. Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 Yeah I can't say I'd be too broken up if Green Day stopped making new music. The Trilogy heavily hinted that they'd reached the end of their creative arc, and bar a complete genre change, there's not much they can do in the area of barre chord based pop punk/rock. The acoustic idea doesn't sit well with me, because I'm not really sure it'd work too well for them, but I'd be open to being proven wrong. Basically, I wouldn't be totally shocked if a retirement/hiatus announcement came soon. At the same time, The Who had basically reached the end of their creative tether at Who Are You. After that Keith Moon, their most integral member, died, and they still carried on for two more albums. So unfortunately, we might have a slow death on our hands here.
Guest Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 I feel like when the conditions are right, they have the ability to produce wildly unique and quality stuff. Just look at Warning, The Network, and American Idiot (plus some C+V) all in half a decade, and you can't forget about FBHT either There's not that much unique about any of that though Like I said, most of that is just power chord punk/rock stuff. The Network is the same kind of thing, just with a ton of effects. At the same time, The Who had basically reached the end of their creative tether at Who Are You. After that Keith Moon, their most integral member, died, and they still carried on for two more albums. So unfortunately, we might have a slow death on our hands here. I'd much rather have them quit now than release two more albums of utter wank.
Anaïs. Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 I'd much rather have them quit now than release two more albums of utter wank. I agree, I'm just saying we might have to be prepared for that eventuality.
HolyHandGrenade Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 This conversation makes me even more upset about how little of the creative process we saw in Cuatro. I can't believe how much footage they cut
jacknovella Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 Wasn't Warning a bit like the trilogy in terms of popularity? While it's possibly they could pack it all up and retire, isn't is also possible they could come back better than ever and release something bigger than American Idiot? The odds may not be in their favour, but it's not impossible I imagine if GDC were around after Warning we might be having a similar discussion.
Ryan Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 Gotta agree with this. I just get the feeling that he's just not interested in touring/being a part of Green Day right now. Back before rehab and everything he seemed really happy, as fucked up as he was. Perhaps sobriety doesn't suit him. I saw him at one of their first shows back after rehab and he seemed happier and more on top of his game than I had ever seen him before. Not to mention his vocals were fucking amazing and more pure than I have ever heard them. And fuck off of you, the Trilogy was awesome. If they released another album similar to it I would be happy as can be. The lyrics aren't Billie's typical metaphorical style, but they have a lot of meaning for a lot of people (including what he was going through at the time). I will now remove myself from this, the absolute worst fucking thread on this forum, and will not return for another 6 months at the very least. EDIT: I'm not as angry as I seemed in that paragraph. Just re-read it and was like, "wow...that sounds really douchey." Haha
Guest Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 Wasn't Warning a bit like the trilogy in terms of popularity? While it's possibly they could pack it all up and retire, isn't is also possible they could come back better than ever and release something bigger than American Idiot? The odds may not be in their favour, but it's not impossible I imagine if GDC were around after Warning we might be having a similar discussion. I dunno how many times I've said this, but the chances of Green Day releasing something even close to as big as AI are so small it's incredible. AI perfectly captured the cultural zeitgeist, is full of brilliant songs, and practically defines the genre of stadium pop punk. Very few bands have had even one massive album, and Green Day have had two, in Dookie and AI. 3 just doesn't seem feasible.
Anaïs. Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 Wasn't Warning a bit like the trilogy in terms of popularity? While it's possibly they could pack it all up and retire, isn't is also possible they could come back better than ever and release something bigger than American Idiot? The odds may not be in their favour, but it's not impossible I imagine if GDC were around after Warning we might be having a similar discussion. Except Warning wasn't utter bollocks. I saw him at one of their first shows back after rehab and he seemed happier and more on top of his game than I had ever seen him before. Not to mention his vocals were fucking amazing and more pure than I have ever heard them. And fuck off of you, the Trilogy was awesome. If they released another album similar to it I would be happy as can be. The lyrics aren't Billie's typical metaphorical style, but they have a lot of meaning for a lot of people (including what he was going through at the time). I will now remove myself from this, the absolute worst fucking thread on this forum, and will not return for another 6 months at the very least. We'll miss you so much.
Spike Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 Wasn't Warning a bit like the trilogy in terms of popularity? While it's possibly they could pack it all up and retire, isn't is also possible they could come back better than ever and release something bigger than American Idiot? The odds may not be in their favour, but it's not impossible I imagine if GDC were around after Warning we might be having a similar discussion. Good point. They've released their best two albums (American Idiot and Insomniac) when they've been stuck for where to go next. They're second to none when it comes to bouncing back. Things might be difficult for a while, they'll take a break, then come back with something a hell of a lot better than the Trilogy. It won't be American Idiot, but it won't be Dos either. I'm calling it now.
Guest Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 I saw him at one of their first shows back after rehab and he seemed happier and more on top of his game than I had ever seen him before. Not to mention his vocals were fucking amazing and more pure than I have ever heard them. And fuck off of you, the Trilogy was awesome. If they released another album similar to it I would be happy as can be. The lyrics aren't Billie's typical metaphorical style, but they have a lot of meaning for a lot of people (including what he was going through at the time). I will now remove myself from this, the absolute worst fucking thread on this forum, and will not return for another 6 months at the very least. Yeah, because the one thread on this forum free of sycophantic bullshit like that is definitely the worst thread on here Good point. They've released their best two albums (American Idiot and Insomniac) when they've been stuck for where to go next. They're second to none when it comes to bouncing back. Things might be difficult for a while, they'll take a break, then come back with something a hell of a lot better than the Trilogy. It won't be American Idiot, but it won't be Dos either. I'm calling it now. I've been calling something of Nimrod levels of interest/quality for ages now. One massive song that gets the public interested again, plenty of other solid and pretty good songs, and a bit of filler.
jacknovella Posted January 16, 2014 Posted January 16, 2014 I dunno how many times I've said this, but the chances of Green Day releasing something even close to as big as AI are so small it's incredible. AI perfectly captured the cultural zeitgeist, is full of brilliant songs, and practically defines the genre of stadium pop punk. Very few bands have had even one massive album, and Green Day have had two, in Dookie and AI. 3 just doesn't seem feasible. I totally agree with you, it's massively unlikely. It's just the fact that there's some small chance that is quite exciting I guess.
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