walking_c0ntradicti0n Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN ON A GREEN DAY SITE?!?! Sometimes, it's just fun to argue, like my English teacher says. and zack, i always thought all of H&H is great
Z J Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 and zack, i always thought all of H&H is great wouldn't be the first time someone has disagreed with me
alexandra_1039 Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 I also love Breakdown. It's my second favorite album. i didnt know that was an unpopular opinion until i looked at this thread hahah
munns6691 Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 I think it's cause we all hold Green Day to such a high standard
Anaïs. Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 I wish they had released "The Static Age" as a single. I think its "Disneyish" aspect would have helped in terms of airplay.
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 There's a difference between blindly being in love with a band and loving a band enough to admit when they fuck up, or something isn't their best work. It's like disciplining your children when they do something wrong. Just because it's not a happy thing doesn't mean you love them any less. You have to admit their faults. To assume and argue everything Green Day does is brilliant is just silly.
Spike Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Yeah, I love the chorus lyrics of Horseshoes, but the rest of the song is a joke. Very tryhard, doesn't sit well in the running order and it's just full of gratuitous swearing. Billie's usually great at placing obscenity for effect, but that song plus most of the trilogy fails miserably in that respect. There's a difference between blindly being in love with a band and loving a band enough to admit when they fuck up, or something isn't their best work. It's like disciplining your children when they do something wrong. Just because it's not a happy thing doesn't mean you love them any less. You have to admit their faults. To assume and argue everything Green Day does is brilliant is just silly. Exactly. The band themselves got so big as to think they couldn't fuck up, then HELLO TRILOGY. So there's that.
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Yeah, I love the chorus lyrics of Horseshoes, but the rest of the song is a joke. Very tryhard, doesn't sit well in the running order and it's just full of gratuitous swearing. Billie's usually great at placing obscenity for effect, but that song plus most of the trilogy fails miserably in that respect. Aww, c'mon... these two lines make me so happy: "I'm gonna drink, fight and fuck, and I'm pushing my luck all the time now" & "I'm a hater, a traitor in a pair of Chuck Taylors right now" I'm not kidding either. It's an irrational love.
Spike Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Aww, c'mon... these two lines make me so happy: "I'm gonna drink, fight and fuck, and I'm pushing my luck all the time now" & "I'm a hater, a traitor in a pair of Chuck Taylors right now" I'm not kidding either. It's an irrational love. Well I did hope you were joking I mean yeah, I guess those lines are meant to be fun and there's definitely a place for it in Green Day lyrics, but that just isn't it. It doesn't fit the song or the place on the album at all.
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Well I did hope you were joking I mean yeah, I guess those lines are meant to be fun and there's definitely a place for it in Green Day lyrics, but that just isn't it. It doesn't fit the song or the place on the album at all. I don't listen to the album as a whole, like ever, so maybe that's why. Don't hate me. I think it's catchy and quirky, in a good way. I guess I'm the only one.
Anaïs. Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Well I did hope you were joking I mean yeah, I guess those lines are meant to be fun and there's definitely a place for it in Green Day lyrics, but that just isn't it. It doesn't fit the song or the place on the album at all. I always felt the song is very important in that it shows Christian's final evolution into the violent revolutionary that ends up bringing the apocalypse in "American Eulogy". "Restless Heart Syndrome" gets the grief and confusion, but not the rage. That said, the lyrics are pretty cheesy.
Spike Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 I don't listen to the album as a whole, like ever, so maybe that's why. Don't hate me. I think it's catchy and quirky, in a good way. I guess I'm the only one. I'll remember this. I always felt the song is very important in that it shows Christian's final evolution into the violent revolutionary that ends up bringing the apocalypse in "American Eulogy". "Restless Heart Syndrome" gets the grief and confusion, but not the rage. That said, the lyrics are pretty cheesy. I guess in terms of the story it can be considered important, so I don't object to that, but it could just be a far better song. St Jimmy is an 'angry' song I guess, and that's miles better. I dunno, it really doesn't help that it's straight after Restless Heart Syndrome. That's such a spectacularly awesome song that anything that followed it would have less of an impact.
Anaïs. Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 I guess in terms of the story it can be considered important, so I don't object to that, but it could just be a far better song. St Jimmy is an 'angry' song I guess, and that's miles better. I dunno, it really doesn't help that it's straight after Restless Heart Syndrome. That's such a spectacularly awesome song that anything that followed it would have less of an impact. Something I've toyed with is switching up "See the Light" and "Restless Heart Syndrome". Both deal with confusion and grief after idealism has been shattered, so changing them up wouldn't be as hard as it otherwise would be--you'd just have to alter "See the Light"'s production to be less bright and not to echo the title track. And just picture the impact of the album ending that way. Its utterly beautiful despondency, that mind-blowing solo, and then--the last wailing chords and pounding drums, before silence slams down. The impact of that song being the closer would be incredible.
AlissaGoesRAWR Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 I'll remember this. Also remember I'm a fangirl. At unfortunate times, this disorder causes Billie's unnecessary swearing, snarling and cheesiness to be considered attractive for no rational reason whatsoever.
Spike Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Something I've toyed with is switching up "See the Light" and "Restless Heart Syndrome". Both deal with confusion and grief after idealism has been shattered, so changing them up wouldn't be as hard as it otherwise would be--you'd just have to alter "See the Light"'s production to be less bright and not to echo the title track. And just picture the impact of the album ending that way. It's utterly beautiful despondency, that mind-blowing solo, and then--the last wailing chords and pounding drums, before silence slams down. The impact of that song being the closer would be incredible. Yeah, I've always thought that too actually. It's weird, sometimes when I listen to Breakdown I just end it after RHS. It does make a perfect closer, even to the point where I'm willing to ditch 21 Guns, American Eulogy and The Static Age just for the sake of that.
Bastard of 1969 Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 that song is bad because the lyrics are lame, the melody is like a 3/10, and there is no notable instrumentation. And his voice sounds terrible. They took the punch out of it. Actually the lyrics are fucking awful "Cause I'm a little boy named train ask me again I'll tell you the same" I've heard more creative hopscotch rhymes It's like song about Thomas The Drugged Tank Engine.
ing Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 I wish they had released "The Static Age" as a single. I think its "Disneyish" aspect would have helped in terms of airplay. I agree, I think it's enough to represent the sound of the album, but it would still have attracted people who are more of pop fans, also, I'm a sucker for a key change
Spike Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 I wish they had released "The Static Age" as a single. I think its "Disneyish" aspect would have helped in terms of airplay. I can see where you're coming from, but the impression the general public got from Know Your Enemy being the lead single was bad enough, and I don't think The Static Age would have helped with that. It's an odd album in that none of the songs on it would have done the album as a whole justice. Releasing 21 Guns was a bad idea given that it was just a blatant attempt to capitalise on the success of BOBD by releasing a very similar song. My choices would have been Restless Heart Syndrome, East Jesus Nowhere and either the title track or Peacemaker. And if we're honest they'd probably have bombed (since EJN and 21CB obviously did, for some fucking bizarre reason), but at least they'd be better choices than KYE and 21 Guns.
Anaïs. Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 I can see where you're coming from, but the impression the general public got from Know Your Enemy being the lead single was bad enough, and I don't think The Static Age would have helped with that. It's an odd album in that none of the songs on it would have done the album as a whole justice. Releasing 21 Guns was a bad idea given that it was just a blatant attempt to capitalise on the success of BOBD by releasing a very similar song. My choices would have been Restless Heart Syndrome, East Jesus Nowhere and either the title track or Peacemaker. And if we're honest they'd probably have bombed (since EJN and 21CB obviously did, for some fucking bizarre reason), but at least they'd be better choices than KYE and 21 Guns. I was thinking more along the lines of replacing KYE as a single with Static Age. I'm not sure I agree with you on 21 Guns being an awful single choice; it was the biggest hit of the album, and doesn't represent it too terribly.
Z J Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 I can see where you're coming from, but the impression the general public got from Know Your Enemy being the lead single was bad enough, and I don't think The Static Age would have helped with that. It's an odd album in that none of the songs on it would have done the album as a whole justice. Releasing 21 Guns was a bad idea given that it was just a blatant attempt to capitalise on the success of BOBD by releasing a very similar song. My choices would have been Restless Heart Syndrome, East Jesus Nowhere and either the title track or Peacemaker. And if we're honest they'd probably have bombed (since EJN and 21CB obviously did, for some fucking bizarre reason), but at least they'd be better choices than KYE and 21 Guns. perhaps a bad idea to diehard fans, but it was the perfect idea on the part of the studio/marketing team. 21 Guns is one of their most commercially successful songs. KYE was a good idea too, because it is STILL played on TV and at sporting events over here. I think the third single should have been the Static Age, because its melody is accessible. It would have been a hit. The goal of a single is to do a few things: Get radio play (KYE and 21 Guns did, especially the latter) Chart high (21 guns got up to 22 on the Hot 100, best since WMUWSE. and KYE was as high as 28th) Make people buy the album (They did, the album went number 1, and sold 4 million copies world wide It isn't often a band charts four singles off of one album, let along chart all of them on the Hot 100 (American Idiot). 3 singles off American Idiot were in the top 20 (incredible). They also charted 5 songs off of Dookie, although only 3 on Hot 100. So charting 2 is still good, especially for a rock band. They have chosen singles pretty well, for the most part. I think some of their biggest misses were on Stuart And The Ave (Insomniac), Castaway and Church On Sunday (Warning), and maybe Whatsername instead of Jesus Of Suburbia. Obviously the trilogy was just a big fat swing and a miss too.
DookieLukie Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 perhaps a bad idea to diehard fans, but it was the perfect idea on the part of the studio/marketing team. 21 Guns is one of their most commercially successful songs. KYE was a good idea too, because it is STILL played on TV and at sporting events over here. I think the third single should have been the Static Age, because its melody is accessible. It would have been a hit. The goal of a single is to do a few things: Get radio play (KYE and 21 Guns did, especially the latter) Chart high (21 guns got up to 22 on the Hot 100, best since WMUWSE. and KYE was as high as 28th) Make people buy the album (They did, the album went number 1, and sold 4 million copies world wide It isn't often a band charts four singles off of one album, let along chart all of them on the Hot 100 (American Idiot). 3 singles off American Idiot were in the top 20 (incredible). They also charted 5 songs off of Dookie, although only 3 on Hot 100. So charting 2 is still good, especially for a rock band. They have chosen singles pretty well, for the most part. I think some of their biggest misses were on Stuart And The Ave (Insomniac), Castaway and Church On Sunday (Warning), and maybe Whatsername instead of Jesus Of Suburbia. Obviously the trilogy was just a big fat swing and a miss too. No songs on Dookie charted on the Hot 100. They all did on the Hot 100 Airplay. Back then, only songs released as commercial singles could chart on the Hot 100, an Green Day didn't realize official commercial singles.
Anaïs. Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 21 guns on awesome as fuck is brilliant That's quite a popular opinion, actually!
Spike Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 perhaps a bad idea to diehard fans, but it was the perfect idea on the part of the studio/marketing team. 21 Guns is one of their most commercially successful songs. KYE was a good idea too, because it is STILL played on TV and at sporting events over here. I think the third single should have been the Static Age, because its melody is accessible. It would have been a hit. The goal of a single is to do a few things: Get radio play (KYE and 21 Guns did, especially the latter) Chart high (21 guns got up to 22 on the Hot 100, best since WMUWSE. and KYE was as high as 28th) Make people buy the album (They did, the album went number 1, and sold 4 million copies world wide It isn't often a band charts four singles off of one album, let along chart all of them on the Hot 100 (American Idiot). 3 singles off American Idiot were in the top 20 (incredible). They also charted 5 songs off of Dookie, although only 3 on Hot 100. So charting 2 is still good, especially for a rock band. They have chosen singles pretty well, for the most part. I think some of their biggest misses were on Stuart And The Ave (Insomniac), Castaway and Church On Sunday (Warning), and maybe Whatsername instead of Jesus Of Suburbia. Obviously the trilogy was just a big fat swing and a miss too. Fair point, yeah. I still disagree that they represent the album well, but I guess the first two did do their job. I've never thought Green Day have released the best songs as first singles, or singles at all in a lot of cases, but I suppose it's unquestionable that the singles from Breakdown helped the album sales. I'm overprotective of them though, I hate how Breakdown got judged on the strength of Know Your Enemy when it's the second weakest song from the album. Have you ever tried arguing with someone who's saying Green Day are shitty now purely because all they've heard since American Idiot is Know Your Enemy? 21 guns on awesome as fuck is brilliant It's generally absolutely amazing live, it's the album version that doesn't do anything for me. I was thinking more along the lines of replacing KYE as a single with Static Age. I'm not sure I agree with you on 21 Guns being an awful single choice; it was the biggest hit of the album, and doesn't represent it too terribly. I see what you mean, Static Age would have been a better lead single, no doubt. See my response to Zack for my updated thoughts on 21 Guns as a single No songs on Dookie charted on the Hot 100. They all did on the Hot 100 Airplay. Back then, only songs released as commercial singles could chart on the Hot 100, an Green Day didn't realize official commercial singles. What the hell does that mean? Of course they released commercial singles, they were signed to Warner, the songs were released and people bought them. The first four Dookie singles all charted in the top 30 in the UK. That's pretty commercial in my book. The reason they didn't make the Billboard Hot 100 is because not enough people bought them. They were still released to buy.
Z J Posted January 10, 2014 Posted January 10, 2014 No songs on Dookie charted on the Hot 100. They all did on the Hot 100 Airplay. Back then, only songs released as commercial singles could chart on the Hot 100, an Green Day didn't realize official commercial singles. Yeah I read it too quick The rules are different now, but 4 of em were on alt an rock charts. And 3 of them ruled the radio back in the day, they were successful singles. Fair point, yeah. I still disagree that they represent the album well, but I guess the first two did do their job. I've never thought Green Day have released the best songs as first singles, or singles at all in a lot of cases, but I suppose it's unquestionable that the singles from Breakdown helped the album sales. I'm overprotective of them though, I hate how Breakdown got judged on the strength of Know Your Enemy when it's the second weakest song from the album. Have you ever tried arguing with someone who's saying Green Day are shitty now purely because all they've heard since American Idiot is Know Your Enemy? Yeah I agree they do not represent the album all that well. It is a tough album to have one song that represents the sound. Maybe the title track. And I'd prefer a song better than KYE is the one that gains fame off the album, but success is success. People that just outright hate green day usually hate them for awful reasons. It used to piss me off, now I just ignore it. Haha some bloggers/critics out there are genuinely idiotic. People that don't like them usually just go off their image. They don't listen to the lyrics, and they certainly don't listen to anything outside the singles, which we, as serious Green Day fans, know that is a great disservice.
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