Spike Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 What is tremelo picking? It's a technique of really fast guitar picking, most famously used in this:
WhiteTim Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 Interesting theory. Based on what? Well maybe I should say they are at the same levels of skill wise
fromdecimateddreams Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 I think Billie and Jason are probably at the same level skill-wise, it's just that they specialize in different things because of the nature of Green Day's music. I don't think it has anything to do with who's more talented.
Z J Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 Writing the guitar parts is a far greater task than just playing. Billie has the edge there as we haven't really seen Jason write anything
WhiteTim Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 Writing the guitar parts is a far greater task than just playing. Billie has the edge there as we haven't really seen Jason write anything Jason writes the guitar parts for the other bands he's in...
Spike Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 Yeah, Jason does a lot of writing for his other bands. Plus writing a chord progression from power chords really isn't that difficult. Which is essentially all Green Day songs are at the core, it's the melodies that set them apart, which Billie is responsible for, and the arrangements. Even when Billie writes a solo more often than not it's based on the vocal melody these days, and when it's not he's improvising. I'd say he and Jason are almost equal as guitarists though, I'm just yet to see Jason rip an epic solo out like One For The Razorbacks or Going To Pasalacqua.
WhiteTim Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 Yeah, Jason does a lot of writing for his other bands. Plus writing a chord progression from power chords really isn't that difficult. Which is essentially all Green Day songs are at the core, it's the melodies that set them apart, which Billie is responsible for, and the arrangements. Even when Billie writes a solo more often than not it's based on the vocal melody these days, and when it's not he's improvising. I'd say he and Jason are almost equal as guitarists though, I'm just yet to see Jason rip an epic solo out like One For The Razorbacks or Going To Pasalacqua. Jasons solo for Makeout Party slays Billies...
Z J Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 Jason writes the guitar parts for the other bands he's in... . Yeah, Jason does a lot of writing for his other bands. Plus writing a chord progression from power chords really isn't that difficult. Which is essentially all Green Day songs are at the core, it's the melodies that set them apart, which Billie is responsible for, and the arrangements. Even when Billie writes a solo more often than not it's based on the vocal melody these days, and when it's not he's improvising. I'd say he and Jason are almost equal as guitarists though, I'm just yet to see Jason rip an epic solo out like One For The Razorbacks or Going To Pasalacqua. And his other band is........................... *crickets* What Billie writes is simple I never claimed otherwise. But there are some great riffs. When I Come Around, Wake Me Up When September Ends, and Good Riddance are classics. Instantly recognizable. That is a talent in its own right. He's also got Holiday, Wow That's Loud!, American Eulogy, Basket Case, and Brain Stew among others which all have simple but great lead guitar riffs
Spike Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 And his other band is........................... *crickets* Pinhead Gunpowder, Chino Horde, Fishwagon, Step by Step, Numbskulz, The Big Cats, The Influents, Sixteen Bullets, Monsula, Pretty, The Kicks, The Network, Foxboro Hot Tubs... So yeah, good question.
Z J Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 Pinhead Gunpowder, Chino Horde, Fishwagon, Step by Step, Numbskulz, The Big Cats, The Influents, Sixteen Bullets, Monsula, Pretty, The Kicks, The Network, Foxboro Hot Tubs... So yeah, good question. And they've sold a combined...... also half of those still fronted by Billie with lead guitar factoring in little. Point of my joke was that one is writing for one of the world's biggest rock bands, one isn't
Asa. Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 Big Cats have some awesome riffs so don't knock it til you listen to it, yo.
WhiteTim Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 And they've sold a combined...... also half of those still fronted by Billie with lead guitar factoring in little. Point of my joke was that one is writing for one of the world's biggest rock bands, one isn'tSo sales equals talent? In that case Vanilla Ice has sold more copies than Dookie and AI has sold I guess Vanilla Ice is more talented than Billie Billie is in only 3 of the multiple bands Jason in and Billie doesn't write for Pinhead (cept what 3 or 4 total out of what 6-7 releases oh yeah big involvment that is...) And did Billie even perform the music in Foxboro? Wasn't it just Jason and Kevin? You seem to have a thing against Jason? Did he slap u slept with ur sister what? Jason writes for 10 bands that Billie is not apart of your math is fucking awful if you think 3 is half of 13...
Spike Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 Lack of mainstream success ≠low quality music
tdlyon Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 Jasons solo for Makeout Party slays Billies... I think Billie plays the Makeout Party solo
Spike Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 You seem to have a thing against Jason? Did he slap u slept with ur sister what?
WhiteTim Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 I think Billie plays the Makeout Party solo Jasons the right channell Billies left take it to audition and listen to both channell seperatly
Z J Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 So sales equals talent? In that case Vanilla Ice has sold more copies than Dookie and AI has sold I guess Vanilla Ice is more talented than Billie Billie is in only 3 of the multiple bands Jason in and Billie doesn't write for Pinhead (cept what 3 or 4 total out of what 6-7 releases oh yeah big involvment that is...) And did Billie even perform the music in Foxboro? Wasn't it just Jason and Kevin? You seem to have a thing against Jason? Did he slap u slept with ur sister what? Jason writes for 10 bands that Billie is not apart of your math is fucking awful if you think 3 is half of 13... they are side bands of little consequence. If you want to take comments so literally you can waste someone else's time. Jason hasn't written a thing for Green Day so there isn't really anything to judge him by. Billie has written a wealth of catchy guitar parts and that's why he is better as far as I can see. And as far as actual playing there isn't much Jason has done that Billie can't. I don't have anything personal against him, that comment made zero sense. Do you have something personal against Billie? No probably not. Writing>>Physical Ability Lack of mainstream success ≠low quality music Writing for a world-class band is not on the same level as writing for a bunch of side bands. You can't pretend it's situation-neutral.
WhiteTim Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 Writing for a world-class band is not on the same level as writing for a bunch of side bands. You can't pretend it's situation-neutral. Its writing music it don't matter if it for a garage band or a world band its still writing music... But your comment just screams idiotic...
Clockwise Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 Jason's awesome, I think he's a great addition to the band. That said, I'm pretty sure Billie wrote most guitar for Foxboro, I remember an interview with Jason where he said 'Billie let me write the solo for Mother Mary'. I think they're probably pretty evenly skilled, I just think Billie is a bit more creative with his parts.
Spike Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 Writing for a world-class band is not on the same level as writing for a bunch of side bands. You can't pretend it's situation-neutral. Yes it is. Writing music is writing music, and if you believe that there's a difference in writing for a band like Green Day and writing for, say, Pinhead Gunpowder, then that only works on the premise that you believe Green Day are sell-outs and only write music that they think will sell well. And that just isn't the case, their style hasn't even changed that much from the early days. Green Day are successful because they write great songs and have had fantastic marketing. If they hadn't had the marketing, they probably wouldn't have been so successful, but the songs would still have been just as good because they'd have been written by the same people. Your comment basically suggests that you could be the best songwriter in the history of the world, but if you don't have mainstream success (which can happen for an infinite number of reasons), you're not a good songwriter. It just doesn't add up.
WhiteTim Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 Exactly a lot of very talented artists aren't popular as they don't have a label backing them or don't have the money to get out there
Spike Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 Unless it's being said that Billie wouldn't have had the ability to write Jesus Of Suburbia if Green Day hadn't been famous for years before he wrote it.
Hermione Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 Oh my what is going on here? Jason White is talented as hell. He's a fantastic songwriter, singer and musician. He isn't the lead singer/songwriter of Green Day so of course that's not going to be demonstrated much in that band in his role as second guitarist. Everyone's role in the band is different and showcases different abilities to different extents. But I think trying to add up how much any of them adds misses the point a bit. They're all in the band because they want to be and they want each other to be. They're friends and they like it, they like playing music together and being in a band together. That's all the justification needed. Pretty much this. I know Jason is BJ's friend from way back, but it's not like he brings anything to the table that the endless array of backing guitarists/singers haven't. He's a pretty solid guitarist, but he's not exceptional in anyway. Adding a keyboardist/saxophonist would have added a whole new dimension to Green Day's sound, whereas Jason just kinda digs them deeper into their 4 chords and a solo routine. When they want keyboards or sax they do bring in Freese (and others) in the studio, they don't need to make someone a band member to do that. I don't think they made JW a band member just because they wanted some more guitar in their sound or to change things up, I think they were just going that way anyway which happened to allow his role as unofficial member to get bigger. It wasn't a case of picking anyone, it was just a natural progression for some friends who enjoy making music together. they are side bands of little consequence. They're not "side bands", they're bands. Have you listened to any of the stuff he's written/played/sung outside Green Day? If not you're missing out!
WhiteTim Posted November 21, 2013 Posted November 21, 2013 They're not "side bands", they're bands. Have you listened to any of the stuff he's written/played/sung outside Green Day? If not you're missing out! They haven't sold any cds according to zack so they aren't making music... only music that shows talent is those who sells millions of records... In Zack's theory Green Day is talented but someone like Bon Jovi or Rihanna is even more talented...
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