Iva Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 I'd call this an unpopular opinion because I haven't heard it before, but... I tabbed out X-Kid myself, and I have a theory about it. The way the chords are arranged, I think it's symbolizing "Old Green Day." The main riff is similar of that to Who Wrote Holden Caulfield and the way the chorus is arranged is shockingly similar to Basket Case. I mean, if you had in D# tuning and you had one extra note in the chorus to X-Kid, it would be Basket Cases's main riff. Same with Who Wrote Holden Caulfield, if you added one note and removed one from the main riff and played it like the song, it would be like Who Wrote Holden Caulfield. But that's my opinion. If anyone wants to see a visual comparison, just ask. As somebody who can connect melodies, but isn't technical enough, I am definitely interested in this. Thank you.
Z J Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 Alright, buckle up, this is gonna get controversial and you'll probably want my head on a stick by the end. American Idiot isn't that special. Don't get me wrong, I love it and the songs are great. But the only thing that makes it stand out is the production. The songs themselves are, for the most part, bog standard Green Day. Take Boulevard Of Broken Dreams, for example. I think most of us can agree it's fantastic. But break it down and it's a simple melody over four chords, with an octave guitar solo. That description could fit Uptight. All that sets BOBD apart is the acoustic guitar, studio effects (tremolo and phaser/auto-wah on the guitar) and especially good production. And production of that quality is just standard in the genre these days, it's a prerequisite to a mainstream rock album. American Idiot and Holiday could easily go on Warning if the guitars didn't sound so big. I've spoken about Jesus Of Suburbia in this thread - it's basically an elongated four chord pop-punk song with a piano bit near the end. She's A Rebel and Extraordinary Girl are pure filler. The only songs that really stand out are Homecoming, WMUWSE and Letterbomb, and would half as many people love Letterbomb if not for the verse that references all the other songs? Again, I do love the album, but it's not their best album, or the best album ever, as I've seen said. But it's been elevated to the status it has by the hype surrounding it, and it wouldn't have seemed like such a change of direction if previous albums had been produced in the same way. *Puts up flame shield* fuck you Anyway I'll go on to tell you why you're wrong 1. Jesus of Suburbia is their best song. It's their best lyrical work. It's timeless and melodic and depicts a 9 minute narrative that is unmatched by any other song they've put out. 5 pieces of music that flow slow seamlessly together can not be simply written off because it's guitar is simple. 2. Boulevard of Broken dreams is special, again, because of the lyrics. The song is powerful and the build to the solo at the end is perfect. 3. The intro to Homecoming is absolutely fantastic, as is the part immediately following Tre's bit. But it really is just clunked together. There is nothing THAT different from anything else they do in there. 4. Why could Holiday go on Warning? It's lyrically better than anything on that album by a mile. It's subject matter is far more pointed then the very general stuff on Warning. American Idiot is in the same boat. Two songs that completely capture the zeitgeist of the era. No song on Warning matches that. 5. Tell me your favorite album so I can rip you to shreds tell you why you're wrong. 6. You can't boil Green Day down to what you read on the sheet music. If you do, you're missing out.
Spike Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 I'd call this an unpopular opinion because I haven't heard it before, but... I tabbed out X-Kid myself, and I have a theory about it. The way the chords are arranged, I think it's symbolizing "Old Green Day." The main riff is similar of that to Who Wrote Holden Caulfield and the way the chorus is arranged is shockingly similar to Basket Case. I mean, if you had in D# tuning and you had one extra note in the chorus to X-Kid, it would be Basket Cases's main riff. Same with Who Wrote Holden Caulfield, if you added one note and removed one from the main riff and played it like the song, it would be like Who Wrote Holden Caulfield. But that's my opinion. If anyone wants to see a visual comparison, just ask. It's just E - B - C#m - A, right? Which is probably the most common chord progression in mainstream music, especially pop-punk. Have you seen the Axis Of Awesome 4 Chord Song? Now, as for it's being elevated due to hype—there I'll disagree. I think AI is so successful because it hit a chord with people across the country, because it tapped into the zeitgeist in a way that is very special and very rare. As someone who had no idea who Green Day were before he discovered that album, I know I was blown away without ever having been exposed to any sort of hype. Oh no, that's not quite what I meant. I mean, I was swept away by the hype, I've never experienced anything like that and I doubt I will again, and I loved it. So I have massive amounts of nostalgia for it in that respect. I just mean that it's easy to get distracted by the hype - yeah, it hit a chord with people and is undoubtedly an important album, especially for my generation, but none of that affects what the actual songs sound like, yknow? such disappointment in u wow but on a more serious note i think the reason why it's so special to so many people on here is because it's the album that got most of us into green day in the first place. it was the perfect album at the perfect time and even if a lot of it is pretty standard green day stuff it's still the album that changed my life and for me the emotional attachment i have to those songs overrules everything else. wow such sorry no remorse Yeah, I can understand that. It's the album that got me into them and I haven't looked back. And I also have a massive emotional attachment with the album, it means a lot to me, in terms of my growth as a music fan and a musician (the two things that most define me now). But on a purely objective level, where none of that matters, it's only the production and lyrical themes that make it anything out of the ordinary. fuck you Anyway I'll go on to tell you why you're wrong Looking forward to it
walking_c0ntradicti0n Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 Alright, buckle up, this is gonna get controversial and you'll probably want my head on a stick by the end. American Idiot isn't that special. Don't get me wrong, I love it and the songs are great. But the only thing that makes it stand out is the production. The songs themselves are, for the most part, bog standard Green Day. Take Boulevard Of Broken Dreams, for example. I think most of us can agree it's fantastic. But break it down and it's a simple melody over four chords, with an octave guitar solo. That description could fit Uptight. All that sets BOBD apart is the acoustic guitar, studio effects (tremolo and phaser/auto-wah on the guitar) and especially good production. And production of that quality is just standard in the genre these days, it's a prerequisite to a mainstream rock album. American Idiot and Holiday could easily go on Warning if the guitars didn't sound so big. I've spoken about Jesus Of Suburbia in this thread - it's basically an elongated four chord pop-punk song with a piano bit near the end. She's A Rebel and Extraordinary Girl are pure filler. The only songs that really stand out are Homecoming, WMUWSE and Letterbomb, and would half as many people love Letterbomb if not for the verse that references all the other songs? Again, I do love the album, but it's not their best album, or the best album ever, as I've seen said. But it's been elevated to the status it has by the hype surrounding it, and it wouldn't have seemed like such a change of direction if previous albums had been produced in the same way. *Puts up flame shield* minus the piano bit at the beginning, i started thinking !viva la gloria! reminded me slightly of letterbomb, anyone else thinking that or do i have to put up MY flame shield?
Spike Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 minus the piano bit at the beginning, i started thinking !viva la gloria! reminded me slightly of letterbomb, anyone else thinking that or do i have to put up MY flame shield? Same chord progression, so it's not just you. I think it's quite a common opinion that it's a diet version of Letterbomb. I know that was my first thought when I first heard it.
Z J Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 I'm trying to find a gif that properly displays the disappointment and dismay I'm dealing with
Spike Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 I'm trying to find a gif that properly displays the disappointment and dismay I'm dealing with This one, maybe?
walking_c0ntradicti0n Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 that's actually a pretty accurate gif right there
Z J Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 Is that Will.I.Am? spike lee I believe anyway I updated my other post with my response
Z J Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 This pissed? I'm feeling more of a mix between dismay, disappointment, and bewilderment.
Spike Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 Oh god, I've started a gif war. #outlaw level: 10,000
Guest Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 I'm feeling more of a mix between dismay, disappointment, and bewilderment. Got it.
walking_c0ntradicti0n Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 allow me to find one. then again you guys topped my choices
Liam Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 ok bye Alright seriously, next person to post a gif is getting a suspension.
Guest Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 Alright seriously, next person to post a gif is getting a suspension. wow such modding excellent job
Spoopy Doo Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 Oh god, I've started a gif war. #outlaw level: 10,000 much win
Spike Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 1. Jesus of Suburbia is their best song. It's their best lyrical work. It's timeless and melodic and depicts a 9 minute narrative that is unmatched by any other song they've put out. 5 pieces of music that flow slow seamlessly together can not be simply written off because it's guitar is simple. It's a great song lyrically, I agree. It tells a brilliant story, and very well. But wasn't it written to be one song? Therefore "it's seamless" isn't really a point in its favour, especially when all the sections are in the same key and a similar tempo. That's like saying Basket Case is great because the verse flows into the chorus - as is the case for the vast majority of songs. I've got no issue with the guitar being simple, if I did I wouldn't be a Green Day fan. Plus the second part of the last solo is the most twiddly guitar part on the entire album. But to go back to my original point, the production and arrangement are a massive help. If they blasted through it on two guitars, bass and drums it wouldn't sound half as good - the acoustic guitars and piano add a lot to it. Which is fine, but I can't love a song just because of what instruments are in it. If that intro didn't sound so powerful due to the mastering it'd do a lot of damage to the impact of the song. 2. Boulevard of Broken dreams is special, again, because of the lyrics. The song is powerful and the build to the solo at the end is perfect. Billie's always been a great lyricist though, so I don't think it stands out. I would have thought someone as good as him would notice that the pre-chorus sounds like he's repeatedly saying "I wore Cologne." I agree that the buildup and ending are very good, but they're nothing out of this world. They improved on that kind of effect with Restless Heart Syndome. 3. The intro to Homecoming is absolutely fantastic, as is the part immediately following Tre's bit. But it really is just clunked together. There is nothing THAT different from anything else they do in there. I don't see how it's clunked together? I know the bits were written separately but the way it develops makes it sound intentional. And how is Nobody Likes You not different to anything else they've done? I think to write off East 12st Street, and the transition into Nobody Likes You, is a great disservice. 4. Why could Holiday go on Warning? It's lyrically better than anything on that album by a mile. It's subject matter is far more pointed then the very general stuff on Warning. American Idiot is in the same boat. Two songs that completely capture the zeitgeist of the era. No song on Warning matches that. I've just always thought it was very Warning-esque. It is an improvement on Warning lyrically, but it's in the same vain, and only more pointed because of political developments between the release of Warning and writing American Idiot. If the production of American Idiot and Warning were on the same level, either song mentioned could go on Warning. 5. Tell me your favorite album so I can rip you to shreds tell you why you're wrong. Insomniac, with American Idiot second. And I can take a guess at what you're going to say, but the two albums can't really be compared because they're so different and they were basically two different bands in those two eras. 6. You can't boil Green Day down to what you read on the sheet music. If you do, you're missing out. I wasn't, when have I ever done that?
Iva Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 Ask a question > get a like > answer is missing. Gotta love Facebook, tumblr. & co for having ruined the ways we communicate. Not even to mention these gifs. O_o
munns6691 Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 Rock and Roll girlfriend isn't good, but I tolerate it because I love homecoming
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