Unpopular Green Day Opinions

[Z J]

Chump has excellent lyrics IMO.

I love them. The beginning of that song is so fucking awesome. But I'm not going to pretend the lyrics are as good as say, J.A.R.

I can argue that if you want past album stuff listen to the past albums... enjoy the trilogy for the trilogy not "oh its not like Dookie" of course I'm not saying the trilogy are GD best albums ever but I like the trilogy but that's me

This is a forum for debate where there are going to be natural comparisons made between all of Green Day's work. When I compare the trilogy to Dookie, I'm doing it because both albums have light lyrics. One album does it right. The others not as much. A perfectly valid comparison

[WhiteTim]

I love them. The beginning of that song is so fucking awesome. But I'm not going to pretend the lyrics are as good as say, J.A.R.

This is a forum for debate where there are going to be natural comparisons made between all of Green Day's work. When I compare the trilogy to Dookie, I'm doing it because both albums have light lyrics. One album does it right. The others not as much. A perfectly valid comparison

Lot of songs on the trilogy are better than Dookie imo but then Dookie is bottom 5 of GDs albums to me

[WhiteTim]

i'm not ~living in the past~ and i don't want or expect another dookie or american idiot but i don't see how it can be surprising that people expect something amazing from a band who have been putting out amazing records for over twenty years. like i said, i do enjoy most of the trilogy and while i'm glad it's not a rehash of one of their previous albums it's nowhere near as good as they're capable of, especially lyrics wise. if anything i'm really ready for gd to go in a completely different direction with their next album so no, don't tell me that i'm complaining because "oh it's not dookie".

Oh I was saying how I can argue likeing 80-85% of the trilogy lyrics i wasnt saying you were living in the past my apologies if i came that way

[Z J]

Lot of songs on the trilogy are better than Dookie imo but then Dookie is bottom 5 of GDs albums to me

I mean that's perfectly fine. I fucking hate your opinion. But I respect it.

[WhiteTim]

I mean that's perfectly fine. I fucking hate your opinion. But I respect it.

Lol well I dunno if it because I overplayed Dookie so much but I just can't stand listening to it anymore it It is the album that got me into GD back in 94 but I also think they've released albums since that just go past Dookie in so many ways

Dookies first half is amazing but the second half just fell off to me as well

[Z J]

Lol well I dunno if it because I overplayed Dookie so much but I just can't stand listening to it anymore it It is the album that got me into GD back in 94 but I also think they've released albums since that just go past Dookie in so many ways

Dookies first half is amazing but the second half just fell off to me as well

I know a lot of people think it falls off after the singles, but almost the whole thing to me is a wonderful, angst-ridden ode to the restless youth of America.

Coming Clean is one of their ballsiest songs ever. Chump's 1st half is pop-punk perfection. F.O.D. is so fantastic and relatable. She is a wonderful lyrical work. And Emenius Sleepus is another pop-punk nugget I think.

[tdlyon]

I'm gonna go even farther and say Dookie is in my bottom 4 GD albums.

[WhiteTim]

I know a lot of people think it falls off after the singles, but almost the whole thing to me is a wonderful, angst-ridden ode to the restless youth of America.

Coming Clean is one of their ballsiest songs ever. Chump's 1st half is pop-punk perfection. F.O.D. is so fantastic and relatable. She is a wonderful lyrical work. And Emenius Sleepus is another pop-punk nugget I think.

When I first got Dookie I loved all of it except for coming clean didn't get into that til a few years later in the last 5 years I hadn't listened to it at all ever re visted it last year and aside from WICA and FOD I just didn't care for the second part I dunno didn't age well to me but I love Coming Clean live for some reason and I really enjoyed hearing Dookie live at Reading in full

[Anaïs.]

Dookie is above 39/Smooth and the Trilogy, and tied with Kerplunk, in my estimation. Everything else blows it out of the water.

[Z J]

When I first got Dookie I loved all of it except for coming clean didn't get into that til a few years later in the last 5 years I hadn't listened to it at all ever re visted it last year and aside from WICA and FOD I just didn't care for the second part I dunno didn't age well to me but I love Coming Clean live for some reason and I really enjoyed hearing Dookie live at Reading in full

I think it's a solid song but you just have to respect the balls it takes to not only write it, but release and perform the song. That dynamic elevates it a ton in my eyes.

[WhiteTim]

I think it's a solid song but you just have to respect the balls it takes to not only write it, but release and perform the song. That dynamic elevates it a ton in my eyes.

Why did it takes balls? The subject matter isn't that big of a deal imo

[Spike]

I can argue that if you want past album stuff listen to the past albums... enjoy the trilogy for the trilogy not "oh its not like Dookie" of course I'm not saying the trilogy are GD best albums ever but I like the trilogy but that's me

I don't think that's really the point. The issue being that the trilogy doesn't sound like older albums, it's more that the lyrical quality isn't there. Sure, a band can choose to change direction as much as they want, but if a lyricist has the ability Billie does, it just seems a bit lazy if he hasn't put the effort in to make the lyrics as good as previous ones. It doesn't even have to relate to the subject matter, there are great songs about getting high and partying just the same as there are great ones about politics and social commentary.

[Z J]

Dookie is above 39/Smooth and the Trilogy, and tied with Kerplunk, in my estimation. Everything else blows it out of the water.

I wouldn't go as far as blown out of the water, but I agree the sure-fire bottom 4 is 39/smooth, trilogy. Depending on my mood, Dookie can be as high as second or as low as bottom 5. Kerplunk has grown on me a ton recently. With slightly better production I can easily see how people would rate it higher than Dookie. The only sure things for me as far as album rank goes is that AI is first and the trilogy/39 smooth are at bottom. Everything else up for grabs

[Anaïs.]

Why did it takes balls? The subject matter isn't that big of a deal imo

Believe me, coming out is a huge deal. Don't know from personal experience, but several friends have had to go through it, and it wasn't easy. Writing a song about it back in the 90s, when people were far less accepting of the whole thing? Very ballsy.

[Spike]

All of the trilogy in the bottom 4? That's harsh. I'd put Tre in the top 3, personally. Uno and Dos are in the bottom 3, but that said the first half of Uno is pretty good. I just fail to see why Tre gets bashed so much, I can understand it with Uno and Dos because they're just crap versions of previous material, whereas Tre has the 'epic' kind of vibe we've become accustomed to with AI and 21st CB. Brutal Love could easily go on American Idiot and stand up for itself.

[Anaïs.]

All of the trilogy in the bottom 4? That's harsh. I'd put Tre in the top 3, personally. Uno and Dos are in the bottom 3, but that said the first half of Uno is pretty good.

The thing for me is that the band marketed it as one continuous concept throughout the three albums, and because they're so related (covers, theme, titles, etc.) I just picture them as one work. And while I agree that Tre is by far the best of the three, I don't understand putting it in the top three GD albums when you've got AI, Warning, Nimrod, Insomniac and 21CBD.

[WhiteTim]

Believe me, coming out is a huge deal. Don't know from personal experience, but several friends have had to go through it, and it wasn't easy. Writing a song about it back in the 90s, when people were far less accepting of the whole thing? Very ballsy.

I guess being fan of Pansy Divisision and Kurt Cobain telling the media and fans he was bi and other bands as well talking just doesn't seem that big of a deal...

[Z J]

Why did it takes balls? The subject matter isn't that big of a deal imo

I think it takes a lot of guts to own your sexuality like that. Especially considering a few things: 1) Punk community not always a tolerant bunch 2) He was only like 20 3) He's telling millions of people he's bisexual. 4) We've come a long ways since the 90's in regard to tolerance

Some people struggle with that their whole life and here's a rockstar not only singing about it but saying fuck what anyone else thinks. I gotta respect that.

[Spike]

The thing for me is that the band marketed it as one continuous concept throughout the three albums, and because they're so related (covers, theme, titles, etc.) I just picture them as one work. And while I agree that Tre is by far the best of the three, I don't understand putting it in the top three GD albums when you've got AI, Warning, Nimrod, Insomniac and 21CBD.

I can understand that, but just because they were marketed as one body of work doesn't mean they actually are. I don't understand how they can justify any kind of link between Dos and Tre other than they were written at the same time - they're totally, totally different musically. As for Tre in the top 3 - obviously American Idiot is up there, as is Insomniac (which I've spoken about at length before so I won't go into why I think it's their best album again), but 21st Century Breakdown is far too long and has got some real duds, it's a chore to listen to. The same goes for Nimrod to a lesser extent. And I do love Warning, but it doesn't really hang together as an album as well as some others. There are some fantastic songs on it, some of my favourites, but as an album it's not that fun a listen start to finish.

[WhiteTim]

I think it takes a lot of guts to own your sexuality like that. Especially considering a few things: 1) Punk community not always a tolerant bunch 2) He was only like 20 3) He's telling millions of people he's bisexual. 4) We've come a long ways since the 90's in regard to tolerance

Some people struggle with that their whole life and here's a rockstar not only singing about it but saying fuck what anyone else thinks. I gotta respect that.

1) isn't true Pansy Division was a huge influence in the punk community... and they are VERY open about thier sexuality...

[Spoopy Doo]

21st Century Breakdown is far too long and has got some real duds, it's a chore to listen to.

The only duds I can think of on 21CB are Know Your Enemy and 21 Guns.

[Spike]

The only duds I can think of on 21CB are Know Your Enemy and 21 Guns.

Christian's Inferno? And I would love American Eulogy if not for the production making it sound like a Disney song.

[Z J]

All of the trilogy in the bottom 4? That's harsh. I'd put Tre in the top 3, personally. Uno and Dos are in the bottom 3, but that said the first half of Uno is pretty good. I just fail to see why Tre gets bashed so much, I can understand it with Uno and Dos because they're just crap versions of previous material, whereas Tre has the 'epic' kind of vibe we've become accustomed to with AI and 21st CB. Brutal Love could easily go on American Idiot and stand up for itself.

I love Brutal Love. While I agree Tre is at the top of the trilogy. It still doesn't do enough to beat any other albums. Brutal Love, DRB, X-Kid, maybe 8th ave serenade are the highlights of the album to me. It can't touch AI. 21cb is far too good a vocal and is too good lyrically. Insomniac it ain't. I don't like Nimrod as much as everyone else so maybe I can see how you could rank it above that. Warning has the 3 headed monster of fucking awesomeness that is Castaway, Church On Sunday, and Macy's Day Parade (plus Minority, BS&B, and Warning). Kerplunk has those awesome harmonies and some great melodic pop-punk.

Tre's downfall is in ALBNT, Sex Drugs & Violence, Walk Away, and The Forgotten for me

1) isn't true Pansy Division was a huge influence in the punk community... and they are VERY open about thier sexuality...

well doesn't it tell you something that they chose to cover Coming Clean?

Also, Pansy Division came about at the exact same time as Green Day. In fact they rode on GD's coat tails. It's not like they opened the door for homosexuals in music and then Green Day stepped in.

[WhiteTim]

well doesn't it tell you something that they chose to cover Coming Clean?

They do a lot of covers... doesn't mean anything...

Hell average and non GD fans don't even know of Coming Clean so its not like it had a huge impact like that imo

Also, Pansy Division came about at the exact same time as Green Day. In fact they rode on GD's coat tails. It's not like they opened the door for homosexuals in music and then Green Day stepped in.

Rode GDs coat tails ha ha um okay...

But regardless I like Coming Clean it grew on me from when I first bought Dookie

[Jollyroger118]

All of the trilogy in the bottom 4? That's harsh. I'd put Tre in the top 3, personally. Uno and Dos are in the bottom 3, but that said the first half of Uno is pretty good. I just fail to see why Tre gets bashed so much, I can understand it with Uno and Dos because they're just crap versions of previous material, whereas Tre has the 'epic' kind of vibe we've become accustomed to with AI and 21st CB. Brutal Love could easily go on American Idiot and stand up for itself.

I would agree about Brutal Love except for when he says "turn out the lights" and then five seconds later says "dance forever under the lights". I'm comfortable saying Brutal Love is my favorite song from the trilogy but it's very hard to get passed those lines. I've tried finding ways to justify it but can't think of a really good meaning