Unpopular Green Day Opinions

[walking_c0ntradicti0n]

i wish i could see x-kid live just cause its my favorite on tre

[Z J]

I wish I could see X Kid live, from what I've seen on YouTube it's even better live than on record

it's such an awkward tempo live because of the speed increase. Billie can't stay in the pocket it feels like. Might work better acoustic live

[Spike]

it's such an awkward tempo live because of the speed increase. Billie can't stay in the pocket it feels like. Might work better acoustic live

He should teach Jason to play the intro slower then

[JOE THE X-KID]

I saw Green Day at the Emirates when they played it and its great live, but it felt really awkward because no one was singing along.

[Z J]

The idea that lyrics can't be bad is ridiculous. Sure, trilogy lyrics have meaning but a lot of them are just not close to their other stuff. You can spin lyrics any way you want, but in the end their creativity and impact are not equal.

Hear the dogs howling out of key
To a hymn called "Faith and Misery" (Hey!)
And bleed, the company lost the war today

"Don’t look away from the arms of a moment
Don’t look away from the arms of tomorrow
Don’t look away from the arms of a moment
Don’t look away from the arms of love"

All lyrics are not created equal. To pretend they are is a great disservice to songs like Holiday, JOS, Macy's Day Parade, Good Riddance, 21 CB, American Idiot, Wake Me Up When September Ends, J.A.R, Panic Song, and a host of other songs, whose lyrics are truly deserving of praise.

He should teach Jason to play the intro slower then

Billie plays it, no? Anyway, problems start in intro but are more apparent as the song continues plus his voice sounds strained on a lot of it. Although if he had played it at Reading (where his voice was fine) it may have been better.

[Z J]

I was just scanning the whole "Drama Queen" argument from a few pages back and I don't get why guys think it's "nasty" for Billie to discretely reference menstruation in a song, but when he explicitly sings about jacking off, that's okay?

One is relatable for a 20 year old kid (which is what he was when he wrote it) and the other is a 40 year old guy talking about periods. I don't say I find it "nasty" but there is definitely a difference in the two

[WhiteTim]

I was just scanning the whole "Drama Queen" argument from a few pages back and I don't get why guys think it's "nasty" for Billie to discretely reference menstruation in a song, but when he explicitly sings about jacking off, that's okay?

We don't wanna hear bout no damn woman bleeding damn it

Lmao joking

On a serious note I think it's some of the guys sexism showing... I mean its a line its not like they gotta see a grahpic video along with the line...

[Spike]

I was just scanning the whole "Drama Queen" argument from a few pages back and I don't get why guys think it's "nasty" for Billie to discretely reference menstruation in a song, but when he explicitly sings about jacking off, that's okay?

I really don't like that either!

Billie plays it, no? Anyway, problems start in intro but are more apparent as the song continues plus his voice sounds strained on a lot of it. Although if he had played it at Reading (where his voice was fine) it may have been better.

Of the videos I've seen, Jason was always playing it. I'm quite surprised his voice is strained on it, it doesn't sound like it's out of his comfortable range.

[Z J]

You act like it's weird for people to talk about periods Being old enough to menstruate has ancient cultural connotations, and he used the significance those cultural connotations have today to make a point.

20 year old guy talking about masturbating (social norm) vs 40 year old guy talking about a teenage girls period (at least that's how I interpreted the line, also not social norm). The line doesn't weird me out or anything. I could care less. I see what he was going for. But there is no comparison between Longview and that line.

I really don't like that either!

Of the videos I've seen, Jason was always playing it. I'm quite surprised his voice is strained on it, it doesn't sound like it's out of his comfortable range.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN3pQvl3Ru4

The song isn't in an unusually high key for Billie I think it's just the way the song is written. He had no carry on his notes as it was at the time and this song kind of exposed that

[Spike]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN3pQvl3Ru4

The song isn't in an unusually high key for Billie I think it's just the way the song is written. He had no carry on his notes as it was at the time and this song kind of exposed that

That does sound like his voice just wasn't in the best condition at the time. We've all heard Knowledge live, it's not like anyone can say he's unable to hold a note in general.

[Guest]

If I bled out of my dick once a month, I'd have no hesitation at calling it nasty. Jussayin.

[Spike]

Unpopular Green Day Opinions: Ceadog wouldn't like bleeding out of his dick once a month. Brilliant.

[Guest]

I would personally love it if Kman bled out of his dick once a month. Much lulz.

You malicious bitch.

[Hermione]

I think that part of the creepyness is that it's voyeuristic - like, the voice of this song is observing this girl, being entertained by her disasters, getting turned on by her, because yeah, 'she's old enough', that little back-of-your-mind justification. The lines read like headlines from a trashy celebrity gossip magazine, and you can talk about the showbiz parents and the entertainment industry, but we're the ones buying - we're the voyeurs. This sweet-sounding little song is the anthem to that little circle of demand and supply, and when the 'bleed' line comes in, it's properly unsettling because it's revealing what's really going on here - the wolves show their teeth. Who are the wolves, then ? The ones selling, or the ones buying ?

As always a wonderful interpretation. I hadn't thought of the factor of us the public being part of it but it's so true. Maybe that's why it is so creepy and uncomfortable to hear.

The idea that lyrics can't be bad is ridiculous. Sure, trilogy lyrics have meaning but a lot of them are just not close to their other stuff. You can spin lyrics any way you want, but in the end their creativity and impact are not equal.

Hear the dogs howling out of key

To a hymn called "Faith and Misery" (Hey!)

And bleed, the company lost the war today

"Don’t look away from the arms of a moment

Don’t look away from the arms of tomorrow

Don’t look away from the arms of a moment

Don’t look away from the arms of love"

All lyrics are not created equal. To pretend they are is a great disservice to songs like Holiday, JOS, Macy's Day Parade, Good Riddance, 21 CB, American Idiot, Wake Me Up When September Ends, J.A.R, Panic Song, and a host of other songs, whose lyrics are truly deserving of praise.

I'm not saying they can't be bad. I'm saying that not liking them or not understanding them doesn't automatically make them bad. You've listed songs with serious and emotional themes there but there's so many other things that can make lyrics good. Humour, simplicity or just clever word play can be just as important as being "meaningful", there's too many different factors to list! Just seems like you take quite a narrow view of what makes lyrics good.

And again with the random bits of lyrics . I can't for the life of me see what makes one set better than the other there, but the second set is actually one of my favourites. The perfect sentiment to end the little story of Uno Dos and Tre on, to embrace the now and the future and love. I love the simple positive message of it. Honestly don't know what you're getting at.

I was just scanning the whole "Drama Queen" argument from a few pages back and I don't get why guys think it's "nasty" for Billie to discretely reference menstruation in a song, but when he explicitly sings about jacking off, that's okay?

I think the way it's referenced in the song is nasty, like she's hit puberty and the dad and everyone with a stake in her fame are rubbing their hands thinking of the money they can make from her now. And I think the lines "Daddy's little bundle of joy.......She's old enough to bleed now" are totally meant to sound nasty with the creepy first phrase and the image of period blood (which isn't exactly pleasant) in the second. But the idea that just the fact menstruation was alluded to is nasty is very silly I agree. And the idea that it would be bad for a song about a nasty subject to have some nasty imagery in it is even sillier.

[Spike]

Just to make it clear, when I said the reference is 'nasty', I meant in context. Yes it's a bit creepy to have a 40 year old man singing about a teenager's first period, but the context justifies it. And that context is meant to be 'nasty'. So there.

[Hermione]

Just to make it clear, when I said the reference is 'nasty', I meant in context. Yes it's a bit creepy to have a 40 year old man singing about a teenager's first period, but the context justifies it. And that context is meant to be 'nasty'. So there.

Oh totally. Only aimed at those who say the song is bad because of it

[Spike]

Oh totally. Only aimed at those who say the song is bad because of it

I think it's a shame that the song is overshadowed by that one line, it's a really good song in general.

[Anaïs.]

I'm not saying they can't be bad. I'm saying that not liking them or not understanding them doesn't automatically make them bad. You've listed songs with serious and emotional themes there but there's so many other things that can make lyrics good. Humour, simplicity or just clever word play can be just as important as being "meaningful", there's too many different factors to list! Just seems like you take quite a narrow view of what makes lyrics good.

But name me more than a handful of really clever instances of wordplay or humor on the Trilogy. I can't think of a single thing I found funny or clever on those records.

[Z J]

I'm not saying they can't be bad. I'm saying that not liking them or not understanding them doesn't automatically make them bad. You've listed songs with serious and emotional themes there but there's so many other things that can make lyrics good. Humour, simplicity or just clever word play can be just as important as being "meaningful", there's too many different factors to list! Just seems like you take quite a narrow view of what makes lyrics good.

And again with the random bits of lyrics . I can't for the life of me see what makes one set better than the other there, but the second set is actually one of my favourites. A perfect sentiment to end the little story of Uno Dos and Tre on, to embrace the now and the future and love. I love the simple positive message of it. Honestly don't know what you're getting at.

My view is narrow? Perhaps allow me to expand. I have said, a number of times, that the wit of Green Day's lyrics (especially their early ones) is one of their best qualities. I listed songs that use "humor and simplicity" to make their point lyrically. American Idiot is big on humor I thought and Good Riddance is wonderful yet simple in it's lyrics. I also said "and a host of other songs"......did you chose not to read that?

How is it a "random bit" of lyric...? I think it's a clear line in the sand. Between what Green Day can do and what Green Day shouldn't do. The lyrics I cited from The Forgotten are bad for a couple of reasons: 1) Cliched (that alone doesn't make it bad, though) 2) An odd ABAC pattern 3) A lot of build up to the last line, but the last line "don't look away from the arms... of love" doesn't seem to capture the song in anyway. It seems anti-climatic. That's what I'm getting at. Meanwhile you have a snippet of Holiday, possibly their best lyrical song. Because of a few things: It's a statement. And a bold one at a time when the country still embraced the right's war rhetoric. It's creative in its attacking of both sides of the political sphere. "here the drum pounding out of time/another protester has crossed the line/to find, the money's on the other side. And its overriding theme is something is very apparent despite a lot of less than literal lyrics. What he's standing against and how he says it is powerful. The Forgotten is just not close. That was my point with the snippet of lyrics. I could go on ALL day comparing lyrics from other albums to the trilogy. I do like some lyrical work on there. Brutal Love is excellent, to me. Lazy Bones is as well. There are more.

I do think there are many ways for lyrics to be good. But lyrical content is not created equal. Some people will always be able to relate to songs with lyrics that aren't high quality (Sassafras Roots falls in to that category for me. As does Chump) I don't need lyrics that are deep and powerful. But the lyrics on the trilogy fail to have the same wit that another somewhat light lyrical album like Dookie had.

Just out of curiosity.....are there ANY lyrics by Green Day that you think aren't good?

[WhiteTim]

I think 26 of the 37 songs on the trilogy had good lyrics the other 11 were okay for what they were meant to be not the greatest but not the worst as I've heard a lot worse lyrics (not Green Day) ok maybe they are the worse for Green Day...

If you looking for Dookie or AI lyrics then listen to Dookie or AI... the trilogy (imo) was set up to be a fun/party record and that what it sounds like parties don't sit around to listen to if the songs are out of a Shakespeare book they rock out and you can rock out to the trilogy

[Anaïs.]

If you looking for Dookie or AI lyrics then listen to Dookie or AI... the trilogy (imo) was set up to be a fun/party record and that what it sounds like parties don't sit around to listen to if the songs are out of a Shakespeare book they rock out and you can rock out to the trilogy

But who says a song can't rock out and *also* have good lyrics? The Who are the *original* hard rock band, and they're noted for having some of the best rock lyrics of all time. Same with Queen, up until The Game or so. Same with Insomniac or Nimrod.

[WhiteTim]

But who says a song can't rock out and *also* have good lyrics? The Who are the *original* hard rock band, and they're noted for having some of the best rock lyrics of all time. Same with Queen, up until The Game or so. Same with Insomniac or Nimrod.

Umm The Who came AFTER The Rolling Stones so no way they can be the original hard rock band...

But Insomniac and Nimrod were recorded to be albums the trilogy seemed to be recorded for fun and to party... and that's just the way I take the trilogy I could be wrong

[DookieLukie]

My view is narrow? Perhaps allow me to expand. I have said, a number of times, that the wit of Green Day's lyrics (especially their early ones) is one of their best qualities. I listed songs that use "humor and simplicity" to make their point lyrically. American Idiot is big on humor I thought and Good Riddance is wonderful yet simple in it's lyrics. I also said "and a host of other songs"......did you chose not to read that?

How is it a "random bit" of lyric...? I think it's a clear line in the sand. Between what Green Day can do and what Green Day shouldn't do. The lyrics I cited from The Forgotten are bad for a couple of reasons: 1) Cliched (that alone doesn't make it bad, though) 2) An odd ABAC pattern 3) A lot of build up to the last line, but the last line "don't look away from the arms... of love" doesn't seem to capture the song in anyway. It seems anti-climatic. That's what I'm getting at. Meanwhile you have a snippet of Holiday, possibly their best lyrical song. Because of a few things: It's a statement. And a bold one at a time when the country still embraced the right's war rhetoric. It's creative in its attacking of both sides of the political sphere. "here the drum pounding out of time/another protester has crossed the line/to find, the money's on the other side. And its overriding theme is something is very apparent despite a lot of less than literal lyrics. What he's standing against and how he says it is powerful. The Forgotten is just not close. That was my point with the snippet of lyrics. I could go on ALL day comparing lyrics from other albums to the trilogy. I do like some lyrical work on there. Brutal Love is excellent, to me. Lazy Bones is as well. There are more.

I do think there are many ways for lyrics to be good. But lyrical content is not created equal. Some people will always be able to relate to songs with lyrics that aren't high quality (Sassafras Roots falls in to that category for me. As does Chump) I don't need lyrics that are deep and powerful. But the lyrics on the trilogy fail to have the same wit that another somewhat light lyrical album like Dookie had.

Just out of curiosity.....are there ANY lyrics by Green Day that you think aren't good?

Chump has excellent lyrics IMO.

[Z J]

still don't see how people can even argue that the lyrics on the trilogy are up to the standards of most of the other stuff they've done. i like most of the trilogy and don't take issue with lyrics just because they're simple but they definitely fall pretty flat in a lot of places. not every song has to be super serious and full of metaphors like a lot of 21cb and ai, but even in their earlier stuff you can tell there's a lot of feeling in the lyrics despite how simple they are. idk, it just kind of seems like a lot of the trilogy songs were written just for the sake of writing another song and they lack the emotion of everything else they've done. i don't think it's a coincidence that the best songs on the trilogy like x-kid and lazy bones are also the ones that have most personal lyrics.

Yes.

[WhiteTim]

still don't see how people can even argue that the lyrics on the trilogy are up to the standards of most of the other stuff they've done. i like most of the trilogy and don't take issue with lyrics just because they're simple but they definitely fall pretty flat in a lot of places. not every song has to be super serious and full of metaphors like a lot of 21cb and ai, but even in their earlier stuff you can tell there's a lot of feeling in the lyrics despite how simple they are. idk, it just kind of seems like a lot of the trilogy songs were written just for the sake of writing another song and they lack the emotion of everything else they've done. i don't think it's a coincidence that the best songs on the trilogy like x-kid and lazy bones are also the ones that have most personal lyrics.

I can argue that if you want past album stuff listen to the past albums... enjoy the trilogy for the trilogy not "oh its not like Dookie" of course I'm not saying the trilogy are GD best albums ever but I like the trilogy but that's me