Unpopular Green Day Opinions

[Carrot]

Please explain how 86 doesn't have a repeating hook?

There's no return to 86.... (x3)

probably taking about "don't even try". i wouldn't even count that

[Spike]

They actually have surprisingly few repetitive choruses pre-American Idiot. 86 is one example out of 3 or 4, tops, in 6 albums. What else is there? Uptight, Maria, Warning, can't really think of any more.

[Guest]

Please explain how 86 doesn't have a repeating hook?

There's no return to 86.... (x3)

"don't even try" (x1)

It's a change, even if it is a small one

This thread really has died if this is all we have to argue about

They actually have surprisingly few repetitive choruses pre-American Idiot. 86 is one example out of 3 or 4, tops, in 6 albums. What else is there? Uptight, Maria, Warning, can't really think of any more.

Why do people keep saying Uptight? Literally none of the lines are the same, apart from the fact he says the word "uptight" in them.

"Uptight, I'm a nag with a gun.

All night, suicide's last call.

I've been uptight all night.

I'm a son of a gun. "

Anyway, my original point was just an idle observation. Not sure if it was even relevant to anything

[Spike]

It's not so much that the components of the chorus are repetitive, it's the fact there are six million of them in a row with no variation.

[Spike]

i think the repetitiveness in some of the songs is fine, like in let yourself go and kill the dj. it works. in troublemaker and stop when the red lights flash? not at all. it just sounds lazy.

That's a great point actually. Obviously Uptight is one of the most repetitive songs ever, but I love it. But Know Your Enemy? Just no.

[Guest]

i think the repetitiveness in some of the songs is fine, like in let yourself go and kill the dj. it works. in troublemaker and stop when the red lights flash? not at all. it just sounds lazy.

Let Yourself Go and KTDJ don't work though. If anything, no song needs a chorus rewrite more than Kill The DJ. That godawfully stupid chorus ruins what could have been a great song.

LYG I could just about handle if they didn't insist on finishing the song with "LET YERSELF GOOOOOOOOO LET YERSELF GOOOOOOOO LET YERSELF GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" x8

[death_or_glory]

That's a great point actually. Obviously Uptight is one of the most repetitive songs ever, but I love it. But Know Your Enemy? Just no.

I agree completely. I also love '86' and 'Bab's Uvula Who?', both of which are very repetitive at times, but the repetition works beautifully in the context of the song.

[WhiteTim]

"don't even try" (x1)

It's a change, even if it is a small one

This thread really has died if this is all we have to argue about

Why do people keep saying Uptight? Literally none of the lines are the same, apart from the fact he says the word "uptight" in them.

"Uptight, I'm a nag with a gun.

All night, suicide's last call.

I've been uptight all night.

I'm a son of a gun. "

Anyway, my original point was just an idle observation. Not sure if it was even relevant to anything

86 is still repetitive...

[Spoopy Doo]

the worst choruses on the trilogy don't have anything to do with repetitiveness at all i don't think.

It's 99 revolutions tonight

99 revolutions tonight

99 revolutions tonight

99 revolutions tonight

[Guest]

no way. kill the dj is perfect. the worst choruses on the trilogy don't have anything to do with repetitiveness at all i don't think. i'd rather hear the song title repeated 50 times in a row than "WE'RE ALL CRAZY, YOU'RE ALL CRAZY NOW" or "GIMME GIMME DANGER" :P

That's the pre-chorus to Loss of Control, and SD&V is generally fairly bad anyway

[JOE THE X-KID]

Sex, drugs and violence is actually one of my favs from the trilogy haha. Okay the lyrics aren't the best and I can see why people don't like it but its just a fun song to me. As soon as that snare hits I'm automatically happy...

[The Disappearing Boy]

I just don't get Let Yourself Go. The verse are about absolute hatred for someone, but the chorus is let yourself go, which has no connection to the meaning of the verses. Musically it's good, very typical green day, but the chorus (and outro) let it down.

I have to say some of the vocal melodies of the Trilogy are pretty cool. SDV, Baby Eyes Little Boy Named Train to name a few, but sometimes they are let down by the music/lyrics that accompany them.

[death_or_glory]

I just don't get Let Yourself Go. The verse are about absolute hatred for someone, but the chorus is let yourself go, which has no connection to the meaning of the verses. Musically it's good, very typical green day, but the chorus (and outro) let it down.

I have to say some of the vocal melodies of the Trilogy are pretty cool. SDV, Baby Eyes Little Boy Named Train to name a few, but sometimes they are let down by the music/lyrics that accompany them.

I agree, I think the majority of the melodies in the trilogy are really strong, I just wish he would have been more intentional with his lyrics. I think he himself even said he doesn't know what some of the songs on the trilogy are about. That kinda sucks. At the very least, BJ himself should know what his own songs mean. I understand that they were just trying to have a good time and be more loose and spontaenous and less overly serious with these records than they were with AI and 21CB, but unfortunately it seems like that resulted in the majority of the lyrics on these albums being less thought out and less intentional, which IMO is kind of a bummer.

[Z J]

Are We The Waiting has possibly my favorite opening and climb to the chorus of any song Green Day has. I like the chorus too, but it definitely works best live.

Starry nights city lights coming down over me
Skyscrapers and stargazers in my head
Are we we are, are we we are the waiting unknown
This dirty town was burning down in my dreams
Lost and found city bound in my dreams

I fucking love that section

Also to continue the never ending trilogy debate: 99 Revolutions could have been great if the band didn't get lazy.

I've heard Billie's opinion on the topic (OWS), and I think he's dead on. The verses are very good. The chorus falls a little flat, plus it's repeated too much. If they had added a really epic bridge or another section to the song, maybe make it less linear, it would have been a darn good song I think.

[Spike]

Sex, drugs and violence is actually one of my favs from the trilogy haha. Okay the lyrics aren't the best and I can see why people don't like it but its just a fun song to me. As soon as that snare hits I'm automatically happy...

I agree actually, apart from I do really like the lyrics. As suggested by my sig There are patchy bits and it's certainly not one of their best, but it's still one of the best on the trilogy.

Are We The Waiting has possibly my favorite opening and climb to the chorus of any song Green Day has. I like the chorus too, but it definitely works best live.

Starry nights city lights coming down over me

Skyscrapers and stargazers in my head

Are we we are, are we we are the waiting unknown

This dirty town was burning down in my dreams

Lost and found city bound in my dreams

I fucking love that section

Also to continue the never ending trilogy debate: 99 Revolutions could have been great if the band didn't get lazy.

I've heard Billie's opinion on the topic (OWS), and I think he's dead on. The verses are very good. The chorus falls a little flat, plus it's repeated too much. If they had added a really epic bridge or another section to the song, maybe make it less linear, it would have been a darn good song I think.

Agree with the Are We The Waiting love! Especially that verse, it's brilliant. With 99 Revolutions, the verses are pretty good and at least have something to say, if the chorus had been more like an American Idiot type thing, that actually conveys the main message in a proper way, it could have been great. But what do we get? One line that's GRAMMATICALY INCORRECT FFS. "It is 99 revolutions..." Well, no, how does that make sense? I thought you were intelligent, Billie.

[Guest]

Agree with the Are We The Waiting love! Especially that verse, it's brilliant. With 99 Revolutions, the verses are pretty good and at least have something to say, if the chorus had been more like an American Idiot type thing, that actually conveys the main message in a proper way, it could have been great. But what do we get? One line that's GRAMMATICALY INCORRECT FFS. "It is 99 revolutions..." Well, no, how does that make sense? I thought you were intelligent, Billie.

What else do you expect from a high school dropout off his face on cocaine? Just be thankful it didn't end up as a David Bowie word salad

Also, can we talk about the similarities in the chorus here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD_Ejvq5GgU

[Asa.]

A lot of the trilogy guitar tones are pretty trashy, but, man, Makeout Party...bitchin' guitar, man.

[Spike]

What else do you expect from a high school dropout off his face on cocaine? Just be thankful it didn't end up as a David Bowie word salad

Also, can we talk about the similarities in the chorus here?

Quite a lot more given that the same high school dropout off his face on cocaine wrote Insomniac and American Idiot. But that's a good point. At least it's not "It's on America's tortured brow that Mickey Mouse has grown up a cow."

Oh.

[Guest]

Oh.

Yeaaaaah

Seems like that High Fidelity scene was based on a bit more fact than they thought...

[Anaïs.]

Remembering the fact that all these bad lyrics exist really fucking depresses me.

[Hermione]

SWTRLF is fabulous in every way

SWTRLF could have been decent. The riff is not too bad, the vocal melody of 'I'll make you surrender' is quite cool, but that line itself is not only incredibly repetitive, but also what does it mean? Who is surrendering? To whom? And why? Could do better Green Day, C for effort.

It means "I'll get you into bed with me". The person he wants to get into bed is surrendering. To him. For sex

I just don't get Let Yourself Go. The verse are about absolute hatred for someone, but the chorus is let yourself go, which has no connection to the meaning of the verses. Musically it's good, very typical green day, but the chorus (and outro) let it down.

I think they're totally connected. The verses are saying fuck off I'm not interested in your bullshit. The chorus is making reference to giving yourself the freedom to say that to them, to "let yourself go" and come right out and say it instead of bottling it up. And doing that would feel liberating so the fun feeling of the chorus is like a little celebration that he's told the person who was bothering him to fuck off and now he can enjoy himself.

Agree with the Are We The Waiting love! Especially that verse, it's brilliant. With 99 Revolutions, the verses are pretty good and at least have something to say, if the chorus had been more like an American Idiot type thing, that actually conveys the main message in a proper way, it could have been great. But what do we get? One line that's GRAMMATICALY INCORRECT FFS. "It is 99 revolutions..." Well, no, how does that make sense? I thought you were intelligent, Billie.

If it was in an essay it would be grammatically incorrect, but the same rules don't apply to lyrics or poetry. It's called poetic licence. Just seems to be saying there's lots of small movements of revolution going on across the country at once and referring to the "99%" of the Occupy Movement. Plus it's a play on the phrase "*insert number* revolutions per minute" where you describe how fast something is turning, only in this case he's describing how fast and widespread this "revolution"/movement is instead.

[¡Juliana Homicide!]

Some of you are probably gonna hate me for this, but I get really annoyed sometimes when I watch old Green Day interviews. I get it, they're supposed to be a punk rock band who don't give a fuck, but sometimes I just wanna tell them to SIT DOWN and ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTIONS instead of running around, pulling pranks and not taking anything seriously. I don't know, a part of me just finds these things (even though they're kinda funny sometimes, I'm not completely humourless) extremely disrespectful towards the poor interviewers. I love their music more than anything, but that snotty, bratty punk attitude? Hm... not for me

[Spike]

If it was in an essay it would be grammatically incorrect, but the same rules don't apply to lyrics or poetry. It's called poetic licence. Just seems to be saying there's lots of small movements of revolution going on across the country at once and referring to the "99%" of the Occupy Movement. Plus it's a play on the phrase "*insert number* revolutions per minute" where you describe how fast something is turning, only in this case he's describing how fast and widespread this "revolution"/movement is instead.

Well yeah, fair enough, but the grammar nazi in me finds things like that really grating! Even if it was "there's" instead of "it's" it would be a bit better, and would still fit. Other than that it is a good play on the phrase, though.

[Hermione]

Some of you are probably gonna hate me for this, but I get really annoyed sometimes when I watch old Green Day interviews. I get it, they're supposed to be a punk rock band who don't give a fuck, but sometimes I just wanna tell them to SIT DOWN and ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTIONS instead of running around, pulling pranks and not taking anything seriously. I don't know, a part of me just finds these things (even though they're kinda funny sometimes, I'm not completely humourless) extremely disrespectful towards the poor interviewers. I love their music more than anything, but that snotty, bratty punk attitude? Hm... not for me

Pretty sure that's what the TV shows wanted really though, an entertaining interview. People watching an interview with a silly punk band want to see them acting that way so not only did Green Day have fun, it gave viewers and the show what they were looking for as well. Plus they usually weren't that mean to the interviewer unless they weren't very good at their job and deserved it

[Anaïs.]

Plus they usually weren't that mean to the interviewer unless they weren't very good at their job and deserved it

I will say that Mr. Recovery definitely deserved it.