The Disappearing Boy Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 SWTRLF could have been decent. The riff is not too bad, the vocal melody of 'I'll make you surrender' is quite cool, but that line itself is not only incredibly repetitive, but also what does it mean? Who is surrendering? To whom? And why? Could do better Green Day, C for effort.
Spike Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 A big, big problem with trilogy songs is repetition. Just look at "It's 99 revolutions tonight." All they had to do was made the backing vocals on the 2nd and 4th times through different and it would have been fine. But the fact it's exactly.the.fucking.same just kills it. It's not quite Know Your Enemy, but it's close.
greendayinsomniac Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 Here's and unpopular opinion for y'all. I actually like Know Your Enemy, and it was actually the song that got me into Green Day.
Clockwise Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 Hit me up then, because I don't see it. You're saying you wouldn't like any changes at all? Not a stronger guitar tone? Maybe a reworking of cringe-inducing lyrics, like on Kill The DJ? Well in Billie Joe's case, the trilogy is basically documenting a mid life crisis for lack of a better term. Themes presented are- wanting to take a hold of life, losing control of your life, aging, feeling lost, lessons learned while growing older. I may not be middle aged, but I feel like anyone in a transitional period can relate. I've grown to love the guitar tones throughout the trilogy, and I don't find any of the lyrics cringe-inducing.
Guest Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 Well in Billie Joe's case, the trilogy is basically documenting a mid life crisis for lack of a better term. Themes presented are- wanting to take a hold of life, losing control of your life, aging, feeling lost, lessons learned while growing older. I may not be middle aged, but I feel like anyone in a transitional period can relate. I've grown to love the guitar tones throughout the trilogy, and I don't find any of the lyrics cringe-inducing. Basically all of those themes were done better on Dookie, Insomniac, Nimrod, and Warning Seriously? Sweet 16, Makeout Party, the chorus of Sex, Drugs & Violence...? And that's just scraping the surface.
Spike Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 Well, you're right that it's a documentation of Billie's midlife crisis.
Clockwise Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 Basically all of those themes were done better on Dookie, Insomniac, Nimrod, and Warning Seriously? Sweet 16, Makeout Party, the chorus of Sex, Drugs & Violence...? And that's just scraping the surface. A lot of those themes are totally present on other GD records, yeah. I definitely wouldn't say they were done better though. And yeah, I love those songs and wouldn't change a thing. Those three are actually pretty high up on my list of favorites from the trilogy, haha. For the most part, I totally get where you're coming from. But I think the trilogy is everything the band wanted it to be (not commercially, obviously), and luckily I really connected to it. More so than 21st, or any of the pre-AI records.
Guest Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 A lot of those themes are totally present on other GD records, yeah. I definitely wouldn't say they were done better though. And yeah, I love those songs and wouldn't change a thing. Those three are actually pretty high up on my list of favorites from the trilogy, haha. For the most part, I totally get where you're coming from. But I think the trilogy is everything the band wanted it to be (not commercially, obviously), and luckily I really connected to it. More so than 21st, or any of the pre-AI records. You have the right to your opinion, and I can accept that. But at the same time I have the right to think your opinion is dumb as shit
Anaïs. Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 For the most part, I totally get where you're coming from. But I think the trilogy is everything the band wanted it to be The Star Wars prequels are everything George Lucas wanted them to be. The artist's vision isn't always the best one.
Clockwise Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 You have the right to your opinion, and I can accept that. But at the same time I have the right to think your opinion is dumb as shit Yeah of course. Just like I have the right to think your opinion is a load of garbage, haha. The Star Wars prequels are everything George Lucas wanted them to be. The artist's vision isn't always the best one. I don't know if there ever is a 'best' vision...
Anaïs. Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 I don't know if there ever is a 'best' vision... There's sure as hell a better one than the one we got.
Clockwise Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 There's sure as hell a better one than the one we got. I disagree.
Anaïs. Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 I disagree. So you don't think we could've had a better chorus than "I'll MAKE YOU SURRENDER I'll MAKE YOU SURRENDER I'll MAKE YOU SURRENDER I'll MAKE YOU SURRENDER" or "IT'S 99 REVOLUTIONS TONIGHT, 99 REVOLUTIONS TONIGHT, 99 REVOLUTIONS TONIGHT, 99 REVOLUTIONS TONIGHT"?
Clockwise Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 So you don't think we could've had a better chorus than "I'll MAKE YOU SURRENDER I'll MAKE YOU SURRENDER I'll MAKE YOU SURRENDER I'll MAKE YOU SURRENDER" or "IT'S 99 REVOLUTIONS TONIGHT, 99 REVOLUTIONS TONIGHT, 99 REVOLUTIONS TONIGHT, 99 REVOLUTIONS TONIGHT"? I think those choruses are exactly what those songs needed. I don't think repetition is a bad thing.
Anaïs. Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 To each his own, I guess. Another Trilogy-related opinion: I really wish they hadn't put a member's face on each album. It implies that each member is largely responsible for their album's content, but the Trilogy is clearly a Billie-centric project, to its detriment. As I've said earlier in this thread, every time I see the cover of Dos, I think "Oh, Mike, none of this was your fault. None of it."
JOE THE X-KID Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 The Star Wars prequels are everything George Lucas wanted them to be. The artist's vision isn't always the best one. c'mon The revenge of the sith is pretty good
Anaïs. Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 c'mon The revenge of the sith is pretty good It's better than the other two, but that's like saying "Manson, Dahmer, or Son of Sam, pick the serial killer you want to terrorize you."
Guest Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 So you don't think we could've had a better chorus than "I'll MAKE YOU SURRENDER I'll MAKE YOU SURRENDER I'll MAKE YOU SURRENDER I'll MAKE YOU SURRENDER" or "IT'S 99 REVOLUTIONS TONIGHT, 99 REVOLUTIONS TONIGHT, 99 REVOLUTIONS TONIGHT, 99 REVOLUTIONS TONIGHT"? Just thinking about that, Green Day never did those hugely repetive choruses before AI. I think that's a direct result of them moving toward a more stadium rock approach. It began with She's A Rebel and Are We The Waiting (coincidentally probably the two weakest tracks on AI) before being continued in 21stCB with KYE and Christian's Inferno, again almost unarguably the two weakest tracks on that album. Why Green Day would take a common characteristic of the weakest songs from their past two albums and make it almost a defining characteristic of many Trilogy songs (SWTRLF, 99 Revs, Loss Of Control, Walk Away etc.) is beyond me.
Guest Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 I just want to say, DAMN does "Are We The Waiting" work well live. Beyond amazing. Oh yeah, it's a great song, would never deny that. But there's so many good songs on AI, and after She's A Rebel, it's comfortably the weakest.
death_or_glory Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 Hello. Green Day has certainly had repeating choruses before AI: "Warning", "King For A Day", "Uptight", "86", "Bab's Uvula Who?" to name a few.
Guest Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 Hello. Green Day has certainly had repeating choruses before AI: "Warning", "King For A Day", "Uptight", "86", "Bab's Uvula Who?" to name a few. Warning is the only one of those that actually has a repeating chorus, the rest of them all have at least a couple of lines to change it up.
death_or_glory Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 More words or not, they're all songs that have choruses that repeat nearly the same single line over and over and over. And the melody is repetative. No different than She's A Rebel or Are We The Waiting, or Loss Of Control or Walk Away, etc.
Guest Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 More words or not, they're all songs that have choruses that repeat nearly the same single line over and over and over. And the melody is repetative. No different than She's A Rebel or Are We The Waiting, or Loss Of Control or Walk Away, etc. No... they don't. And all choruses have the same melody repeated. ALL OF THEM. It's pretty much the definition of a chorus.
death_or_glory Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 Yes they are. "86" especially, don't understand how anyone could say that song doesn't have a repeating chorus.
WhiteTim Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 Warning is the only one of those that actually has a repeating chorus, the rest of them all have at least a couple of lines to change it up. Please explain how 86 doesn't have a repeating hook? There's no return to 86.... (x3)
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