fromdecimateddreams Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 I think Reject is a really underrated song. I've been listening to it quite a lot lately and I think it's one of the best on Nimrod, next to Scattered. And on the subject of Scattered, actually, I think it would have been a much better single than NGFL or Redundant, but I feel like that's been discussed in here before.
JOE THE X-KID Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 How so? I just thought Billie was a bit too posery around that time, not that I dislike him in that era but yknow?
Spike Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 I think he did kind of pander to the mainstream audience during the AI era, but that comes with the territory of a band in their position.
Z J Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 I think he did kind of pander to the mainstream audience during the AI era, but that comes with the territory of a band in their position. seemed to me like the look and attitude kind of came first, before the commercial success of the album
Spike Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 seemed to me like the look and attitude kind of came first, before the commercial success of the album Yeah, maybe so. Quite weird really, because the attitude did seem to help their commercial success as much as anything.
Z J Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 Yeah, maybe so. Quite weird really, because the attitude did seem to help their commercial success as much as anything. I think they sort of knew they had something big, and the image needed a revamp. Idk, it's an intriguing topic. The Green Day from the Dookie-Era would seemingly hate the AI image wouldn't they? Who knows I agree, the whole image made them in to a whole other entity. They were lookin a little out-of-shape during Warning. Some promoter probably told them if they want a chance for their album to break through then they need to clean up.
Spike Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 I think they sort of knew they had something big, and the image needed a revamp. Idk, it's an intriguing topic. The Green Day from the Dookie-Era would seemingly hate the AI image wouldn't they? Who knows I agree, the whole image made them in to a whole other entity. They were lookin a little out-of-shape during Warning. Some promoter probably told them if they want a chance for their album to break through then they need to clean up. Yeah, probably. There's much more to being as successful as they were than writing a good album. Obviously they had to be in shape and take everything really seriously to keep up with everything that was going on. And suck up to the media more when it came down to it Can you imagine AI era Green Day doing Recovery TV again?!
Z J Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 Yeah, probably. There's much more to being as successful as they were than writing a good album. Obviously they had to be in shape and take everything really seriously to keep up with everything that was going on. And suck up to the media more when it came down to it Can you imagine AI era Green Day doing Recovery TV again?! Their evolution is so extreme when you compare the different eras. So to the unpopular opinions again I suppose. I'd say that Lazy Bones is one of the most honest songs of the trilogy and I'm shocked it hasn't been played live. I think it could be one of the lasting songs on the trilogy when all is said and done
munns6691 Posted October 3, 2013 Posted October 3, 2013 Their evolution is so extreme when you compare the different eras. So to the unpopular opinions again I suppose. I'd say that Lazy Bones is one of the most honest songs of the trilogy and I'm shocked it hasn't been played live. I think it could be one of the lasting songs on the trilogy when all is said and done Lazy Bones is one of my favorites, along with Brutal Love, Stay the Night
HolyHandGrenade Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 Their evolution is so extreme when you compare the different eras. So to the unpopular opinions again I suppose. I'd say that Lazy Bones is one of the most honest songs of the trilogy and I'm shocked it hasn't been played live. I think it could be one of the lasting songs on the trilogy when all is said and done I think they've stayed away from Lazy Bones for that very reason. I doubt Billie wants to be reminded...
@thelibrary Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 Lazy Bones is one of my favorites, along with Brutal Love, Stay the Night Agreed - and I am sad they haven't done it live, because I would love to see it.
Z J Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 I think they've stayed away from Lazy Bones for that very reason. I doubt Billie wants to be reminded... I'm sure the song would make for a powerful acoustic encore
Jollyroger118 Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 Why would anyone think Dookie era Green Day would hate AI era GD? I would think they'd admire them
Z J Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 Why would anyone think Dookie era Green Day would hate AI era GD? I would think they'd admire them More like the attitude. Green Day in AI era with the make up and all the frill, I think it's at least plausible to see how the Dookie era green day would abhor the pomp and circumstance. This is an odd discussion I have to say
R_Z-Log Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 I think Reject is a really underrated song. I've been listening to it quite a lot lately and I think it's one of the best on Nimrod, next to Scattered. And on the subject of Scattered, actually, I think it would have been a much better single than NGFL or Redundant, but I feel like that's been discussed in here before. No clue if this has been discussed before, but I totally agree with you. Reject is my favorite from Nimrod :-D
Jollyroger118 Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 More like the attitude. Green Day in AI era with the make up and all the frill, I think it's at least plausible to see how the Dookie era green day would abhor the pomp and circumstance. This is an odd discussion I have to say Lol yeah it's definitely odd, but Green Day's always been about stuff like wearing make up and dying hair and as Billie said in the Rolling Stone interview He liked the whole punk scene at gilman cause it was silly like guys dressing up in dresses and stuff. So I really don't think they'd care what they look like and would be proud their album affected a whole generation and whatnot. Especially once they heard it. I wish someone could show them a crystal ball during that interview when Mike said they would make a rock opera named Jimmy lol and that was Dookie era
PigSniffingGlue Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 This is a bit silly, but I don't really think that so many people would have hated Green Day if Billie wouldn't have worn eyeliner in the American Idiot era, and that's kind of sad. Seriously, so many people tend to call Green Day "emo", and I think Billie's eyeliner is the only reason to that (well, and because they saw a guy with eyeliner singing "I walk alone", and only emos are allowed to feel sad sometimes). In the AI era I haven't gotten into Green Day yet, and I heard all this "emo" shit being said about them and I thought that ALL of their songs are sad and depressive, and I have to admit that that's the opinion I had about them (not that I really cared then anyway) until I finally decided to give them a try and check them out. I think it's a bit ridiculous how a person can't wear eyeliner if he wants to, without being judged and without having people putting labels on him. Many people don't even know anything about them except for the fact that he wears eyeliner, and a few of their hit songs.
Guest Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 Have Green Day ever written a song that wasn't sad/angry/negative that also isn't completely dumb i.e. Fuck Time, or pretty much anything off Dos, really?
Anaïs. Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 Have Green Day ever written a song that wasn't sad/angry/negative that also isn't completely dumb i.e. Fuck Time, or pretty much anything off Dos, really? "Waiting", "Castaway"?
Guest Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 "Waiting", "Castaway"? I always felt that Waiting was kinda bittersweet, like a lot of Green Day songs. And Castaway's tone is quite cheery, but the lyrics really aren't
Guest Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 blood sex and booze isn't negative. neither is poprocks and coke...i would say last of the american girls but it falls in the dumb as fuck category. Blood Sex & Booze is a bit dumb, in all fairness. It's just a cleverer version of Fuck Time Poprocks & Coke sounds right though. Even if I always felt it was a bit stalkerish.
PigSniffingGlue Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 I don't think that most of their songs are negative. I think that in a lot of their songs the message is something like "no, not everything is perfect, sometimes shit happens, but fuck it, it's going to be alright". In fact I always adored Green day for being able to write songs with really negative lyrics (for example: The grouch), but because of the music and the way they play it, it doesn't really sound too angry/negative/sad. Plus, anger is different from sadness. In a lot of times anger comes to show that you want to change something. Also, I think that sometimes they take serious subjects and write a song about it in a silly manner, because that's the way they chose to express themselves (no, I'm not talking about Fuck time, that song IS dumb. But catchy as fuck )
Guest Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 Unpopular opinion: I love Last of the American Girls. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFTDdjI1SbQ And now you hate it.
Guest Posted October 4, 2013 Posted October 4, 2013 I'm at work and I can't listen to it but I probably love it anyway. I liked what they did with it in the musical. We can't be friends anymore.
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