Unpopular Green Day Opinions

[belinda jane]

You can't the biggest band when you don't sell as many records or sell out/profit more than another band...

all i'm saying is they were everywhere here, and coldplay weren't.

that's it.

[fromdecimateddreams]

I think apart of the business side cause I worked in the business for nearly 15 years before I retired and moved to film so I do think more on business side than most here would do

Understandable, but business isn't the only thing that defines what's a cultural phenomenon and what isn't. There's so many more components than just money and numbers.

[WhiteTim]

Understandable, but business isn't the only thing that defines what's a cultural phenomenon and what isn't. There's so many more components than just money and numbers.

It plays apart sales plays a big part

Name one album that a phenomenon but hasn't sold huge numbers?

AI is a big record but it's not what some of yall are making it out to be

all i'm saying is they were everywhere here, and coldplay weren't.

that's it.

I'm going to say this

Men lie women lie NUMBERS don't lie

[Guest]

Men lie women lie NUMBERS don't lie

Then explain banks

[belinda jane]

Men lie women lie NUMBERS don't lie

i don't care about numbers, this is an unpopular opinion thread. my unpopular opinion;

green day was one of the biggest bands in the world in 2004/2005.

[fromdecimateddreams]

It plays apart sales plays a big part

Name one album that a phenomenon but hasn't sold huge numbers?

AI is a big record but it's not what some of yall are making it out to be

I didn't say it didn't play a big part, I said it's not the only part. People's reaction to the album and the way it plays with their mind along with the numbers makes something a cultural phenomenon, and AI did both of those things. It was really the only record that made it big while taking such an outward political approach post-9/11, and that seems pretty phenomenal to me.

[belinda jane]

idk maybe when i start hearing about how fucking coldplay changed a bunch of young people's lives then i'll care.

i could hug you right now.

[WhiteTim]

idk maybe when i start hearing about how fucking coldplay changed a bunch of young people's lives then i'll care.

How do you know they haven't?

[Guest]

idk maybe when i start hearing about how fucking coldplay changed a bunch of young people's lives then i'll care.

No one but Coldplay expresses my anguish at getting a lukewarm double mocha frappacino in Starbucks and then finding out the wifi is down so I can't tweet about it

[Guest]

i don't know a single person my age who listened to coldplay in 2005. not one.

I might have been aware of their existence, but I sure as shit didn't go out of my way to buy or listen to their albums.

[WhiteTim]

i don't know a single person my age who listened to coldplay in 2005. not one.

LOL and you know everyine right?

[Clockwise]

I think Coldplay probably was more popular for the 30 something's in 2004/5, but Green Day were definitely the biggest youth oriented rock band during that time.

[belinda jane]

LOL and you know everyine right?

but it sure sounds like YOU do.

stop being so condescending. you're sounding like a dick right now.

[Spike]

Green Day were bigger than Coldplay, by quite a long shot, in 2004/5, at least here in the UK. Record sales are one thing, but I think age comes into it - more people may have bought whatever record Coldplay were plugging at the time, but their fan base was generally older. Not to assume too much, but people buying their records were probably older, with a decent amount of disposable income, and were likely only casual fans, for the most part. People went fucking NUTS about American Idiot. I was 13 when it came out, and I've never known a cultural phenomenon like it in my age group. Everyone knew the album tracks as well as the singles, which I think speaks volumes. Furthermore, Coldplay's Twisted Logic tour only had 6 UK dates in 2005, most of their focus was on the US. So they might have been bigger in the US at the time, but over here Green Day had all the press coverage, they were on the front of magazines every single week for months, they were being played on the radio every 5 minutes, you could walk into any supermarket and hear BOBD playing, it was so widespread I can't overstate it. The UK tour was absolutely massive, I was in a class of 25 at school and 15 of us went to see Green Day in Manchester all on the same night, and it was only groups of 2 or 3 that had booked to go together. It was totally unprecedented. So again, even if Coldplay did sell more records (and it says a lot that I can't even remember what album it was), interest in Green Day was bigger and they had more UK media coverage. You also have to remember that Coldplay's heyday in the UK came a couple of years earlier, so to people my age they were nothing new - Green Day really did bring punk (or whatever the FUCK you want to call it), to a whole new generation. Some people just had an interest in them while they were big here, but many went on to discover all the original 70s punk bands through them. Now THAT is influence, and in that respect record sales don't mean shit. In terms of influence and cultural significance, it's all about WHO is interested. The fact that American Idiot wasn't particularly groundbreaking musically is totally irrelevant, it's not like Coldplay were doing anything new either.

[WhiteTim]

but it sure sounds like YOU do.

stop being so condescending. you're sounding like a dick right now.

You need to learn the meaning if condescending two I wasn't evenbtalking to you and third don't ever in your life again EVER call me a dick again EVER in your life thanks

[belinda jane]

You need to learn the meaning if condescending two I wasn't evenbtalking to you and third don't ever in your life again EVER call me a dick again EVER in your life thanks

my meaning of condescending is talking down to someone, and it sure seemed like you were just then.

but that's just a totally different argument, and i am not going down that road.

[WhiteTim]

my meaning of condescending is talking down to someone, and it sure seemed like you were just then.

but that's just a totally different argument, and i am not going down that road.

No wasn't being condescending with that post

[Z J]

Only this year Queens of The Stoone Age, Black Sabbath, Avenged Sevonfold and Bon Jovi made number one on Billboard 200. Fall Out Boy too i think. It's not that unique to be successful rock band

The Sabbath album fell quickly, it barely outsold Uno in it's first week. Queen of the Stone age sold 91k in the first week. Didn't come close to Uno. Avenged Sevenfold sold 169,000 it's first week. Bon Jovi's sold 101,000 the first week and 900,000 overall so far. For a little comparison, AI sold 267,000 it's first week. Oh and had 5 platinum singles. Those bands were not close.

[WhiteTim]

The Sabbath album fell quickly, it barely outsold Uno in it's first week. Queen of the Stone age sold 91k in the first week. Didn't come close to Uno. Avenged Sevenfold sold 169,000 it's first week. Bon Jovi's sold 101,000 the first week and 900,000 overall so far. For a little comparison, AI sold 267,000 it's first week. Oh and had 5 platinum singles. Those bands were not close.

So AI would only sell 80-100k in today's time...

We can't compare sales from recent to 9 years ago totally different enviroment

[Z J]

So AI would only sell 80-100k in today's time...

You have any actual proof? It would sell less for sure, but there is no reason to compare it to today's time. Because AI made an impact in the era it was released. When compared to other albums, it was bigger, even in 2005. Time will tell but so far the albums that were listed are not close to AI in any respect as far as sales or impact. None of these have really crossed over to top 40 radio or anything either. AI, in the context of the era, was one of the most impactful rock albums of the decade.

So AI would only sell 80-100k in today's time...

We can't compare sales from recent to 9 years ago totally different enviroment

Also, since you edited it, what about Uno? You seriously think AI wouldn't out sell Uno??

[WhiteTim]

You have any actual proof? It would sell less for sure, but there is no reason to compare it to today's time. Because AI made an impact in the era it was released. When compared to other albums, it was bigger, even in 2005. Time will tell but so far the albums that were listed are not close to AI in any respect as far as sales or impact. None of these have really crossed over to top 40 radio or anything either. AI, in the context of the era, was one of the most impactful rock albums of the decade.

Also, since you edited it, what about Uno? You seriously think AI wouldn't out sell Uno??

If AI was released today as is it'd not be nowhere near as big considering the political theme of Bush that AI focuses on is 10 years pass no one cares about Bush anymore and politics from Bush era and Obama era has changed AI political stances are expired and outdated

[Z J]

If AI was released today as is it'd not be nowhere near as big considering the political theme of Bush that AI focuses on is 10 years pass no one cares about Bush anymore and politics from Bush era and Obama era has changed AI political stances are expired and outdated

Well your answer exemplifies why this argument is dumb, but just on quality of music, it would probably outsell Uno. So your guesstimate seems low. This is a really bad theoretical argument I feel bad for helping to initiate.

And to respond to your post a couple pages back, yes I think 90% of top 40 music today sucks. And I think in general the music industry in the US is driven by pre-pubescent girls. What I stated was an opinion obviously, but should I not say I think a band sucks just because someone may disagrees? Mind you your statement that Katy Perry has good songs was equally an opinion. I just can't respect artists that don't even try to sing live, or write something not straight off of the assembly line that is pop music.

[WhiteTim]

Well your answer exemplifies why this argument is dumb, but just on quality of music, it would probably outsell Uno. So your guesstimate seems low. This is a really bad theoretical argument I feel bad for helping to initiate.

And to respond to your post a couple pages back, yes I think 90% of top 40 music today sucks. And I think in general the music industry in the US is driven by pre-pubescent girls. What I stated was an opinion obviously, but should I not say I think a band sucks just because someone may disagrees? Mind you your statement that Katy Perry has good songs was equally an opinion. I just can't respect artists that don't even try to sing live, or write something not straight off of the assembly line that is pop music.

But Katy writes her own lyrics and even for other artists...

All I'm saying for first argument is if AI was released today it'd not have sold 16 million copies I would say it'd be lucky to sell 4m worldwide

Second of course its opinions but just cause you're nit a fan don't make an artist trash/horrible

[Spike]

I know this is barely relevant, but Katy Perry is a great pop songwriter, and writes all her own songs and lyrics. In general she just has help with arrangements and honing the songs, but she does write most of her songs with a guitar. And she does sing live, and had improved massively since she first made it big. Her first album (from 2001) was actually really good, and that was entirely her.

Anyway, back to Green Day. It's impossible to say if Ameican Idiot would do as well today, because the reason it was so successful is entirely based in the context of 2004. If we're just go to off musical quality, though, it'd probably hit number 1 anyway.

[SmoothedOut]

I've heard Coldplay fans say the cover and artwork of "Mylo Xyloto" is punk.