DookieLukie Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 I have to say I disagree completely. I like Mother Mary, Pedestrian, Broadway and 27th Ave. Shuffle but those wouldn't crack my Green Day top 40 songs It just has a lot of diversity and cool elements brought into it. Horn arrangements. Saxophones. Cool guitar effects. It's a really cool album! Probably the bottom, ahead of only 39/Smooth and Kerplunk (maybe). I enjoy them but they aren't at the same level as their Dookie-21CB stuff You've got to be kidding me... C'mon, the Trilogy is actually really great. People hate on it so much hear because it wasn't popular. Guarantee if they had some hits singles or promoted it, people would love it.
Eva Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 C'mon, the Trilogy is actually really great. People hate on it so much hear because it wasn't popular. Guarantee if they had some hits singles or promoted it, people would love it. I still would've despised it. Brings up an interesting discussion on the impact the labels actually have on the popularity of a record, though.
Z J Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 It just has a lot of diversity and cool elements brought into it. Horn arrangements. Saxophones. Cool guitar effects. It's a really cool album! You've got to be kidding me... C'mon, the Trilogy is actually really great. People hate on it so much hear because it wasn't popular. Guarantee if they had some hits singles or promoted it, people would love it. I think it's decent. I can't in good conscience say I think it's better than any of their other stuff after Dookie. I would say Tre or Uno could be better than Warning except Warning has Castaway and Church On Sunday, two of my favorite GD songs. None are better than Insomniac. None of the trilogy are better than Nimrod. And some may say they're better than 21CB but I think people just hate on 21cb because Know Your Enemy sucks and bc it wasn't nearly as good as AI. I mean sure you may have a point there about the popularity, but honestly most of the songs just don't stand up to me. I think Brutal Love, Stay the Night, Oh Love, Nuclear Family, Amy, Stray Heart, and a few others are very good but there are some that I just don't think compare to their other stuff.
DookieLukie Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 I still would've despised it. Brings up an interesting discussion on the impact the labels actually have on the popularity of a record, though. You can force and album down people's throats to an extent, but longevity of its popularity really shows its quality. For instance: Lady Gaga's album may sell tons of copies and gets lots of airplay, but will quickly shoot down in sales due to lack of quality. Not saying Lady Gaga lacks quality, just giving an example of what happened on her last album. Labels can force Katy Perry on the radio but only for so long until radio data shows negative results. Although repetitive exposure can make you like music.
Z J Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 I feel like Billie Joe has a completely different view on the mess that is musical genres and classification than the rest of the world. exactly, so when someone says 21CB is pop-punk because BJA said so I tend to chuckle.
DookieLukie Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 I think it's decent. I can't in good conscience say I think it's better than any of their other stuff after Dookie. I would say Tre or Uno could be better than Warning except Warning has Castaway and Church On Sunday, two of my favorite GD songs. None are better than Insomniac. None of the trilogy are better than Nimrod. And some may say they're better than 21CB but I think people just hate on 21cb because Know Your Enemy sucks and bc it wasn't nearly as good as AI. I mean sure you may have a point there about the popularity, but honestly most of the songs just don't stand up to me. I think Brutal Love, Stay the Night, Oh Love, Nuclear Family, Amy, Stray Heart, and a few others are very good but there are some that I just don't think compare to their other stuff. Sure some of the songs don't compare, but most of them hold up strong. Basically, Trilogy minus filler is a badass album.
Eva Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 You can force and album down people's throats to an extent, but longevity of its popularity really shows its quality. For instance: Lady Gaga's album may sell tons of copies and gets lots of airplay, but will quickly shoot down in sales due to lack of quality. Not saying Lady Gaga lacks quality, just giving an example of what happened on her last album. Labels can force Katy Perry on the radio but only for so long until radio data shows negative results. Although repetitive exposure can make you like music. Buddy, I'm an anarchist. I believe in smashing the capitalist system. You don't have to explain how corporate advertising doesn't make an album better in the overall scheme of things. I just meant, in general, it's an interesting topic because of how it affects a band's initial career, or lack thereof. exactly, so when someone says 21CB is pop-punk because BJA said so I tend to chuckle. Same here. "But Billie said it's punk!" Yes, well, Billie also said the Trilogy was a return to the band's roots. Now, go listen to 1,000 Hours, a.k.a. an example of the band's roots, and tell me it sounds like Uno.
Z J Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 I still would've despised it. Brings up an interesting discussion on the impact the labels actually have on the popularity of a record, though. Was the trilogy released through Adeline Records? If so were any of their other albums released through there? IDK the answer but maybe that has something to do with it's lack of commercial success beyond the rehab thing. I mean it's incredibly difficult to get rock music on top 40 radio consistently. Come to think of it I can't really think of any actual rock songs/bands that have had top 40 success. Makes you realize how well GD did with AI
GenesisJames Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 I feel like Billie Joe has a completely different view on the mess that is musical genres and classification than the rest of the world. To be honest, I don't think anybody agrees on what qualities/sound a band must have to be classified as a certain genre anymore.
Z J Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 Sure some of the songs don't compare, but most of them hold up strong. Basically, Trilogy minus filler is a badass album. Agree completely, if you took say 12 songs Nuclear Family Stay the Night Let Yourself Go Sweet 16 Rusty James Oh Love SWTRLF Lazy Bones Stray Heart Amy Brutal Love DRB Or something similar then you have an album that is probably only behind AI and one or two other albums depending on the mood I'm in. It's just they didn't stop there and I feel you have to judge it in its totality.
Cob Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 A "return to the way we used to write songs" is not the same as "we're writing songs we used to write." If more people understood this I would be a lot happier.
DookieLukie Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 Agree completely, if you took say 12 songs Nuclear Family Stay the Night Let Yourself Go Sweet 16 Rusty James Oh Love SWTRLF Lazy Bones Stray Heart Amy Brutal Love DRB Or something similar then you have an album that is probably only behind AI and one or two other albums depending on the mood I'm in. It's just they didn't stop there and I feel you have to judge it in its totality. I'd say: Nuclear Family Stay the Night Carpie Diem Let Yourself Go Kill the DJ Oh Love Lazy Bones Wild One Stray Heart Wow! That's Loud Amy Brutal Love Missing You 8th Avenue Serenade X-Kid Dirty Rotten Bastards 99 Revolutions Were all quality songs, tbh
DookieLukie Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 Was the trilogy released through Adeline Records? If so were any of their other albums released through there? IDK the answer but maybe that has something to do with it's lack of commercial success beyond the rehab thing. I mean it's incredibly difficult to get rock music on top 40 radio consistently. Come to think of it I can't really think of any actual rock songs/bands that have had top 40 success. Makes you realize how well GD did with AI And not Adeline. Warner was the label. Lack of promotion due to the fact of...why support a band who isn't even around?
Z J Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 And not Adeline. Warner was the label. Lack of promotion due to the fact of...why support a band who isn't even around? Before they went to rehab Oh Love didn't chart well at all, and then when they came back X-kid was released as a single right? That gained zero traction. You can argue Oh Love wasn't a good lead single but I mean if 21 Guns can roll over top 40 charts then Oh Love should at least get some air time on a rock station or something. And Warner probably chose the lead single too, so while BJA's rehab did absolutely hurt them, Warner could have done better.
GenesisJames Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 Before they went to rehab Oh Love didn't chart well at all, and then when they came back X-kid was released as a single right? That gained zero traction. You can argue Oh Love wasn't a good lead single but I mean if 21 Guns can roll over top 40 charts then Oh Love should at least get some air time on a rock station or something. And Warner probably chose the lead single too, so while BJA's rehab did absolutely hurt them, Warner could have done better. I still hear "Oh Love" and "Let Yourself Go" on KROQ here in the states...
Z J Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 i just think it's a bit silly that people are so hung up on wishing that the trilogy had been condensed into one album instead of three or whatever. just make a playlist of your favorite songs, ignore the other ones, and everyone is happy Well if you compare albums then comparing the whole album is the fairest way to do it. If I'm listening to the trilogy I'll only listen to the ones I like, but if you ask me if Nimrod is better than Dos I'm going to judge them on everything. I still hear "Oh Love" and "Let Yourself Go" on KROQ here in the states... what station is that because I need to ad it to my dial. Nowadays I just listen to CD's because I got one of those GD boxsets on Amazon with all of their songs (for $35!!), but in the fall and winter I listened to radio, I heard Longview more than I heard all the songs from the trilogy combined.
GenesisJames Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 what station is that because I need to ad it to my dial. Nowadays I just listen to CD's because I got one of those GD boxsets on Amazon with all of their songs (for $35!!), but in the fall and winter I listened to radio, I heard Longview more than I heard all the songs from the trilogy combined. It's 106.7. Probably the only radio station that I would ever listen to (except 95.5 occasionally). They seem to be keeping rock and its subcategories alive on the radio. Here's their website, if you're interested: http://kroq.cbslocal.com/
WhiteTim Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 Warner could have done better. Majors arent spending MILLIONS of dollars promoting an album on a band that's not around tothe do press, tv, concerts escp since it took them a long time to make up the costs for 21st promo... It was great Billie went to rehab and got cleaned but business wise killed the trilogy
munns6691 Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 Lots of things here: 1. The label in my opinion didn't give them a fighting shot, mostly because of the iheart/rehab incident and partly because the masses want club music, which sucks. 2. I think when comparing albums you need to compare each uno dos and tre seperatly and not together. Together there are alot of good songs but it makes it seem better than it is overall. 3. Dos is a real letdown and probably my least favorite Green Day album. With Lazy Bones, Stray Heart, Baby Eyes being the ones I tend not to skip and maybe SWTRLF, Ashley and Wow That's Loud are average but overall Dos or 1,039 Smooth are at the bottom of the barrel. 4. See You Tonight might actually be the song I like the most on Dos, save for Lazy Bones. 5. Sometimes I really like Tre, sometimes it's overrated as an album. 6. Brutal Love might be the best song off all 3 CDs 7. Carpe Diem would have been great if it was a little harder and louder. 8. Nimrod is underrated. 9. Stop, Drop and Role was fun, but not something sustainable without getting old fast. 10. All that said I still think they come back with something truly great at the end of next year
The Disappearing Boy Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 If we're talking about promotion, I seem to remember that the general feeling round gda and gdc this time last year, was that the promotion for the trilogy was so much better than it had been for Breakdown. But once Billie went into rehab, Warner wasn't going to spend loads of money promoting the band when the band wasn't available to do any work themselves.
Iva Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 I'm happy that I'm not the only one. The "Latin-flavored" guitar is just amazing and the lyrics are great. Somewhat Latin, somewhat ethno in general. Just too bloody awesome not to be given a mention. And wow?! Why does everybody want more, regardless of what they get?
IlariaIDIOT Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 I still don't understand why all of this excitement for Dookie. Dookie is a greeeat album, I love - I really love, some songs in it but come on, there isn't the only Green Day album.
Iva Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 For us who grew up with it, it's like the wildest dreams coming true.
Sarcasm Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 I still don't understand why all of this excitement for Dookie.Dookie is a greeeat album, I love - I really love, some songs in it but come on, there isn't the only Green Day album.It's too catchy to neglect.
SumDay Posted August 31, 2013 Posted August 31, 2013 I don't like this pull someone on stage stuff to be honest :/ Don't get me wrong, it's fun for the band and the guy who get's pulled on stage has the time of his life but it's not so cool to watch. I know if I would get pulled on stage I'd probably shit myself for sure so these people deserve their respect But I always skip that stuff when I watch concert videos.
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