Unpopular Green Day Opinions

[Tubbie Head]

But yeah I think Stop drop and roll is much better than Dos

I really don't think the two should be put together and compared though, 'cause I just can't see any similarity apart from one or two songs.

I love the Tubbies way too much to say Dos is better, but I really love iDos!! The only thing I was disappointed with was how different from the Tubbies iDos! sounded, unlike they made me believe when asked about it in interviews... It's production is probably one of the reasons why it sounds so different! And no saxophone? How could it be even considered to sound like a Tubbies album?

Also, Missing You is one of my favourites from the Trilogy, and I especially love the lyrics.

I hate the whole Green day should "re-make" Dookie thing. Yeah it's an awesome album and it was a point in time that they're really proud of, but Green Day should move on and mature ( which they have done). They're not snot nosed brats kids anymore, they've become mature adults who sing about more important and relevant things to their age ( no one mention makeout party)

And I totally agree with this.

[GenesisJames]

I can honestly say that "Missing You", "8th Ave. Serenade", and "Sex, Drugs & Violence" are my least favorites from ¡Tré!. Maybe throw "The Forgotten" in there, too. Granted, I do like them, but they're the weakest on the album, in my opinion.

[Z J]

I don't think there's anything wrong with any of those lyrics

Sex, drugs & violence

English, math & science,

Safety in numbers

Give me, give me danger

This is a contrast between the sensible fundamental things you learn at school and the fundamental vices that people always fall back to (and also perhaps a contrast between what kids are supposed to be doing at school and what they really do when parents and teachers aren't looking as someone suggested in another thread recently). And then another contrast between the sensible adage of "safety in numbers" and the reckless slogan of "give me danger". It's all a contrast between the sensible things we're taught and the dangerous things we're tempted by.

Oh baby, baby eyes

Oh baby, baby I was born to... Kill!

Just a simple badass way of describing a badass character (maybe the kind of character people would secretly like to be). The "....Kill!" part is particularly badass. I like the wordplay of "baby, Baby Eyes" and then "baby, baby I" too.

Hey, you got yourself a pretty little mouth

I think I wanna rub it the wrong way

A bit of dirty flirting with play on "rub you the right way". Pretty funny and sexy imo.

When you fall

You're gonna need a parachute

Or a used pair of shoes to go

And walk away

This is actually one of my favourite lines . The idea of rhyming "parachute" and "pair of shoes" in this way is so weird it's genius. Bit silly maybe but I like it. And it makes sense, when you "fall" in life you'll need some kind of safety net or solution to pick yourself up and "walk away".

Besides, you can take any song from any album and pull out one line to make it look weak. Just because one line is simple or nonsensical on its own it doesn't mean it's bad in the context of the song.....simple and nonsensical lines have their place in some songs. Also just because the lyrics of an album are more complex or deal with more serious subject matter it doesn't mean they're better. Some songs call for complex lyrics, some for simple. Some songs call for serious lyrics, some for fun ones. There's a place for all of them within music and none are automatically better than any other based on those things. I think the Trilogy has some beautifully simple lyrics, some clever one liners, some hilarious silly and tongue in cheek humour, some sweet romantic lyrics, and plenty of thoughtful, dark, personal lyrics too. The style of lyrics may be different to their other albums (in fact most of their albums have different lyrical styles), but I find them just as good.

Some of those takes on the lyrics are a bit of a stretch to me. Obviously I had to cherry pick lines from songs because quite frankly it isn't reasonable for me to sit here and go over every song. Also, I never once said that lyrics have to be serious and complex to be good, did I? So why do you assume that I believe it to be true? Dookie was far from serious but it is great lyrically. Those lines are not the only ones that aren't good. Since you won't allow me to use individual lines from songs, I will expand to whole songs. Stop when the red lights flash, Baby Eyes, and A little boy named train don't seem to have any meaning. And songs like Makeout Party and Nightlife have obvious meanings but the lyrics aren't really creative or witty IMO. So since you have the answer to everything with no room for debate....explain some of the songs I listed then. Because on my own I can't really figure them out

Note: There are lyrics on the trilogy that I love. Brutal Love at the top of that list.

[WhiteTim]

Why does a song have to be witty???

[Z J]

Why does a song have to be witty???

I'm assuming you ask this in part because of my post. It doesn't have to be, but it can make the lyrics better if they are witty. Not a necessity and not the only way to have good lyrics, but it helps

[fromdecimateddreams]

Some of those takes on the lyrics are a bit of a stretch to me. Obviously I had to cherry pick lines from songs because quite frankly it isn't reasonable for me to sit here and go over every song. Also, I never once said that lyrics have to be serious and complex to be good, did I? So why do you assume that I believe it to be true? Dookie was far from serious but it is great lyrically. Those lines are not the only ones that aren't good. Since you won't allow me to use individual lines from songs, I will expand to whole songs. Stop when the red lights flash, Baby Eyes, and A little boy named train don't seem to have any meaning. And songs like Makeout Party and Nightlife have obvious meanings but the lyrics aren't really creative or witty IMO. So since you have the answer to everything with no room for debate....explain some of the songs I listed then. Because on my own I can't really figure them out

Note: There are lyrics on the trilogy that I love. Brutal Love at the top of that list.

A Little Boy Named Train has a lot of meaning, actually. You can tell from the title that it's a song with a story.

It's actually pretty self-explanatory if you really take a look at it - it's basically a story of a little boy (who I would assume is a manifestation of Billie in some form) who doesn't quite know where he's going or what he's doing, and his take on life. The lines "I don't know where I come from, but I know where I have been" and "Rat inside a maze, I got no destination" clearly show that he's conflicted and doesn't know where to go or who he is. You get his perspective on life when he says "serious people are funny to me/funny people seem so serious" and "I'm always lost, nothing will change/give me directions and I'll get lost again" (those aren't the most lyrically sound, I know, but they still have meaning).

I mean, even the title has that idea in it. A Little Boy named Train. Trains are always traveling to different places, doing different things, seeing all walks of life. So does he. That's the point of the song. It's the story of somebody's life as they're lost and even hopeless. The subject of it actually reminds me a little of Who Wrote Holden Caulfield (even The Catcher in the Rye in general, actually).

So how you think that song doesn't have any meaning, I don't know, but feel free to elaborate.

[Z J]

A Little Boy Named Train has a lot of meaning, actually. You can tell from the title that it's a song with a story.

It's actually pretty self-explanatory if you really take a look at it - it's basically a story of a little boy (who I would assume is a manifestation of Billie in some form) who doesn't quite know where he's going or what he's doing, and his take on life. The lines "I don't know where I come from, but I know where I have been" and "Rat inside a maze, I got no destination" clearly show that he's conflicted and doesn't know where to go or who he is. You get his perspective on life when he says "serious people are funny to me/funny people seem so serious" and "I'm always lost, nothing will change/give me directions and I'll get lost again" (those aren't the most lyrically sound, I know, but they still have meaning).

I mean, even the title has that idea in it. A Little Boy named Train. Trains are always traveling to different places, doing different things, seeing all walks of life. So does he. That's the point of the song. It's the story of somebody's life as they're lost and even hopeless. The subject of it actually reminds me a little of Who Wrote Holden Caulfield (even The Catcher in the Rye in general, actually).

So how you think that song doesn't have any meaning, I don't know, but feel free to elaborate.

Hmm good people of GDC are testy tonight. Anyway, just because you perceive the title to have meaning doesn't mean it does. A lot of what you read in to those lines you cited, I don't. Upon reading through the lyrics again after getting your response, I concede the song appears to be talking about some sort of internal confusion. But how that relates to the title and how good the lyrics really are is debatable to me.

[fromdecimateddreams]

Hmm good people of GDC are testy tonight. Anyway, just because you perceive the title to have meaning doesn't mean it does. A lot of what you read in to those lines you cited, I don't. Upon reading through the lyrics again after getting your response, I concede the song appears to be talking about some sort of internal confusion. But how that relates to the title and how good the lyrics really are is debatable to me.

If I came off testy, I'm sorry. It wasn't intentional.

and I do agree that the specific words he used on occasion aren't the best he could have done, but they convey the message pretty efficiently. At least I think so. I just feel like the idea of his internal confusion like you said is sort of a journey throughout the song, and the train part of the title/chorus alludes to that because of the obvious connection between traveling and trains. I get the idea that he's been traveling from some of the verses, like the "I know where I have been" part.

[Z J]

If I came off testy, I'm sorry. It wasn't intentional.

and I do agree that the specific words he used on occasion aren't the best he could have done, but they convey the message pretty efficiently. At least I think so. I just feel like the idea of his internal confusion like you said is sort of a journey throughout the song, and the train part of the title/chorus alludes to that because of the obvious connection between traveling and trains. I get the idea that he's been traveling from some of the verses, like the "I know where I have been" part.

fair enough. I was wrong somebody had to tell me! haha

[HolyHandGrenade]

I dont think anyone said Dookie WASN'T influencial... just overrated... which it is

Dookie was huge but its not even in top 50 of greatest albums of all time imo

Would you have AI above Dookie?

[WhiteTim]

Would you have AI above Dookie?

Yeah

[fromdecimateddreams]

^^ I would too. Not because I think AI was necessarily more influential than Dookie, but just because I relate to it more and prefer it on a personal level.

[HolyHandGrenade]

^^ I would too. Not because I think AI was necessarily more influential than Dookie, but just because I relate to it more and prefer it on a personal level.

Dookie was more influential for a genre, whereas AI was more influential to music and its listeners as a whole in the Bush/post 9-11 era.

[fromdecimateddreams]

Yeah. Both albums were groundbreaking and influential in their own way, so comparing them in that sense is kind of a moot point. They also came from two completely different eras of time and ideologies, so yeah, comparing them is kind of difficult.

[WhiteTim]

Dookie was more influential for a genre, whereas AI was more influential to music and its listeners as a whole in the Bush/post 9-11 era.

While AI is top 3 I dont think AI was all that influential music wise like Dookie was imo

[99-revolutions]

Billie did keep referring to Uno as the "Dookie" of the Trilogy. You get the sense that a Dookie, FBH, Rock Opera idea was brewing, and Billie kept saying that in interviews.

He did say that, I remember. Gee wiz.

This is why I feel creators (authors,singers/bands,actors,directors etc.) Should not be aloud to judge their own work because how can they really fairly judge it? For example Mark Twain once said his best book was Joan of Ark, yeah...no.

[HolyHandGrenade]

This is why I feel creators (authors,singers/bands,actors,directors etc.) Should not be aloud to judge their own work because how can they really fairly judge it? For example Mark Twain once said his best book was Joan of Ark, yeah...no.

Yeah, DRB and 99 Revs have a 21CB feel to them, but overall, Tre is just a step more in the direction of general rock.

Oh, and BJ said that 99 Revs was like the best song he's ever written

[99-revolutions]

Not sure how unpopular this is but I like every song from every album. Everyone here always seems to hate at least 1 or 2 song from each album.

[Cath]

Not sure how unpopular this is but I like every song from every album. Everyone here always seems to hate at least 1 or 2 song from each album.

it's not that we hate it's just that there are some songs we just prefer. don't tell me you share the same amount of love for every songs.

[munns6691]

Not sure how unpopular this is but I like every song from every album. Everyone here always seems to hate at least 1 or 2 song from each album.

I was in the same boat before the trilogy, save for a few 1,039 smooth songs and the end of kerplunk.

I just can't get into Makeout Party, Kill the DJ, Nightlife, Lady Cobra, etc

[Z J]

Not sure how unpopular this is but I like every song from every album. Everyone here always seems to hate at least 1 or 2 song from each album.

well every song is different, and green day's catalog spans so many different styles of music that it is very hard to LOVE all of the songs.

[Awesompawsome]

I used to hate Dookie and 1039 with a passion and I loved kerplunk and insomniac but now I love Dookie and 1039 and hate the other two

[Cath]

I used to hate Dookie and 1039 with a passion and I loved kerplunk and insomniac but now I love Dookie and 1039 and hate the other two

how can you hate any of them? this makes me sad

[DookieLukie]

Of the Trilogy, I think Green Day matured with a few songs and played it safe with a few others. I know it was going back to the basic, but Green Day is best when they're not comfortable. There's a maturation pattern to their music. Some Trilogy songs, once again, play it safe and don't really add anything new to Green Day's catalog. Here's my list of Trilogy songs that I think fit what Green Day should be doing after making two rock operas and growing in music wisdom.

1. Nuclear Family - Probably the closest there is to a Dookie song on the Trilogy, but with a modern take and sound.

2. Stay the Night - A great blend of the arena- ready songs of AI and the simplicity of old school Green Day.

3. Kill the DJ - An experimental rock/dance track. Something cool to add; something different.

4. Oh Love - Though hated by fans, it's a great track that is pure rock and roll. Something I'd expect from a followup to a rock opera.

5. Lazy Bones - While not groundbreaking or different, still has a mature power behind it.

6. Wild One - Not a great track, but definitely a more mature sound.

7. Stray Heart - Catchy and unique (Forget Mother Mary)

8. Amy - A good electric guitar ballad that is like a stripped down take on a 21CB ballad.

9. Brutal Love - Another experimental track with blues elements. Something unique and different from Green Day.

10. X-Kid - Similar to Stay the Night, a simpler sound that is arena ready.

11. 99 Revolutions - Simple but a good tie in to the AI sound.

[Z J]

Of the Trilogy, I think Green Day matured with a few songs and played it safe with a few others. I know it was going back to the basic, but Green Day is best when they're not comfortable. There's a maturation pattern to their music. Some Trilogy songs, once again, play it safe and don't really add anything new to Green Day's catalog. Here's my list of Trilogy songs that I think fit what Green Day should be doing after making two rock operas and growing in music wisdom.

1. Nuclear Family - Probably the closest there is to a Dookie song on the Trilogy, but with a modern take and sound.

2. Stay the Night - A great blend of the arena- ready songs of AI and the simplicity of old school Green Day.

3. Kill the DJ - An experimental rock/dance track. Something cool to add; something different.

4. Oh Love - Though hated by fans, it's a great track that is pure rock and roll. Something I'd expect from a followup to a rock opera.

5. Lazy Bones - While not groundbreaking or different, still has a mature power behind it.

6. Wild One - Not a great track, but definitely a more mature sound.

7. Stray Heart - Catchy and unique (Forget Mother Mary)

8. Amy - A good electric guitar ballad that is like a stripped down take on a 21CB ballad.

9. Brutal Love - Another experimental track with blues elements. Something unique and different from Green Day.

10. X-Kid - Similar to Stay the Night, a simpler sound that is arena ready.

11. 99 Revolutions - Simple but a good tie in to the AI sound.

Don't say the trilogy was "back to the basics" or people will get mad I like that list a lot though. Almost identical to what I would say would be on a "best of the trilogy" album.