Chelsee Angevine Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 i dunno i think the simplicity of a lot of the lyrics on the trilogy fit the mood they were going for. there's definitely some terrible lines (aka almost all of missing you) but for the most part i think it works. that's just me though. i'm glad they didn't do something in the vein of ai and 21cb again as much as i love those albums. True words. Trilogy songs are real hit or miss. That seems to be a popular opinion at least.
NowhereBound Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 Unpopular opinion (as far as I know) : I don't like Holiday live. Sure, in person I can tolerate it, but I still don't really like it. Not to say I don't like the song; lyrically and musically, it's great, but I don't like the arrangement of it. I'm not very musically inclined, so I apologize if I'm wrong, but it feels like they up the tempo and I don't like it that way at all. Billie sings it much faster live than on the album...which really turns me off to it. Every other song live is fine, but Holiday just disappoints me sometimes.
Spoopy Doo Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 i don't really like 'amy' i always find myself turning off dos after 'wow! that's loud' - which i freakin' love to death! I like "Amy," but I think "Wow! That's Loud" is a better closer and that "Amy" kind of makes it awkward.
DookieLukie Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 Here's my take on the Trilogy: Really good quality songs with, for the most part, bad lyrics and themes that Green Day hasn't really explored. As a fan base, we're used to the typical lyrics about alienation, being yourself, fighting establishment, introspective thought, etc. The Trilogy talked about stranger girls, parties, sex, and such. The songs that fans like most typically fall into the categories I mentioned before. From Uno, Nuclear Family is pretty political. Stay the Night is a classic Green Day love song about a foggy relationship. From Dos, Lazy Bones is about a person clearly frustrated and hurt. Stray Heart is again a love song of yearning and forgiveness. From Tre, Brutal Love is about yearning in life and love. X-Kid is about failing in life/alienation. 99 Revolutions is politics. etc. Green Day went outside of its fan's interests thematically and touched on things we're not used to. It's not their style and feels sort of out of place for them. That's why the Trilogy seems off. I can sing along to Basket Case feeling the same as Billie did when he wrote it. I can't say the same for Makeout Party.
belinda jane Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 ^ that seems like an excellent way to describe it. ..now i have makeout party stuck in my head
Chelsee Angevine Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 It's true. I definitely just hate on the Trilogy because I'm bitter about BJ not writing about my life and feelings at all the right times about all the right things like he's been doing for the past 10 years. Green Day's influence is definitely all about how relatable their lyrics are and have somehow always been. It's magical how he usually gets it just right, and like ya said, these songs just aren't as relatable. Themes just too mainstream -- things other bands already have covered. I want songs about things I know only Green Day can do right. Did I just reiterate what you already said? I am out of my mind tonight. Also before the hate, I think Green Day can do what they want. And I'm perfectly happy with how the Trilogy came out. Just like after something like 21stCB, they pretty much had me on my hands and knees begging for more power anthems that make me wanna change the world.
munns6691 Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 I think after this Green Day will come back with a much better album than most expect. Is it unpopular that I think Missing You is a damn good song
tdlyon Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 Unpopular opinion (as far as I know) : I don't like Holiday live. Sure, in person I can tolerate it, but I still don't really like it. Not to say I don't like the song; lyrically and musically, it's great, but I don't like the arrangement of it. I'm not very musically inclined, so I apologize if I'm wrong, but it feels like they up the tempo and I don't like it that way at all. Billie sings it much faster live than on the album...which really turns me off to it. Every other song live is fine, but Holiday just disappoints me sometimes. No offense, but I strongly disagree with this. I think Holiday is an incredible live song.
belinda jane Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 Unpopular opinion (as far as I know) : I don't like Holiday live. Sure, in person I can tolerate it, but I still don't really like it. Not to say I don't like the song; lyrically and musically, it's great, but I don't like the arrangement of it. I'm not very musically inclined, so I apologize if I'm wrong, but it feels like they up the tempo and I don't like it that way at all. Billie sings it much faster live than on the album...which really turns me off to it. Every other song live is fine, but Holiday just disappoints me sometimes. i thought they played most of their songs fast live, not just holiday.
UNICORN VOMIT Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 They sure do just listen to awesome as f*** Holiday is friggin amazing live
Mar Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 Here's my take on the Trilogy: Really good quality songs with, for the most part, bad lyrics and themes that Green Day hasn't really explored. As a fan base, we're used to the typical lyrics about alienation, being yourself, fighting establishment, introspective thought, etc. The Trilogy talked about stranger girls, parties, sex, and such. The songs that fans like most typically fall into the categories I mentioned before. From Uno, Nuclear Family is pretty political. Stay the Night is a classic Green Day love song about a foggy relationship. From Dos, Lazy Bones is about a person clearly frustrated and hurt. Stray Heart is again a love song of yearning and forgiveness. From Tre, Brutal Love is about yearning in life and love. X-Kid is about failing in life/alienation. 99 Revolutions is politics. etc. Green Day went outside of its fan's interests thematically and touched on things we're not used to. It's not their style and feels sort of out of place for them. That's why the Trilogy seems off. I can sing along to Basket Case feeling the same as Billie did when he wrote it. I can't say the same for Makeout Party. As someone who has expressed this sentiment a lot in this era (the Oh Love video, Troublemaker, Fuck Time, Makeout Party, etc.), I think you're absolutely correct. It's just always easier to love songs you can relate to and feel comfortable with. I just flat out don't feel comfortable with a lot of the trilogy in terms of its themes. The songs I do like on the albums, I mostly like because I find them catchy, in spite of their lyrical content. I'm not saying that's the band's fault or anything.
Bastard of 1969 Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 Everything is faster live It's not. Only thing faster live is "Walking Contradiction".
UNICORN VOMIT Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 Obviously with the trilogy, the lyrical work is going to be vastly different than the 2 rock operas. But the simplicity you speak of is something that green day mastered with their albums prior to AI. The trilogy has a few really good lyrical songs but half the songs have no meaning it seems. DRB, Stop When the Red Lights Flash, Baby Eyes, Angel Blue, and A little boy named train are songs off of the top of my head that don't seem to have a meaning. And to add to that, Sex Drugs and Violence, Missing You, Let Yourself Go, 99 Revolutions, Troublemaker, and others just don't have great lyrics I thought I read somewhere that billie said 99 revolutions was one of the bests things he had written - but I may be mistaken. I don't care for baby eyes. fell for you - I feel like his mouth is full of chewing gum or something. & I skip the forgotten - it bores me. The rest I love.
Guest Trotsky Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 Missing You and Fell For You are great songs with very good lyrics. The lyrics (and the music) reminds me of Buzzcocks or Undertones. Sure they are not like poems of Charles Bukowski but that wasn't the goal from the beginning. Simple songs that try to show the erotic desperation and the need to have beside you the person you love, with elements of sarcasm and eternal youth. I love these songs for what they are.
Hermione Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 I think there's a lot of good lyrical work on the trilogy, actually. Just because we've seen some really intricate extended metaphors and philosophical things that Billie had written in years past doesn't demean what he wrote for the trilogy. A lot of the lyrics are quite simple, yes, but it's that kind of simplicity that has deep meaning once you read into it more. Hear hear! I don't know what lyrics other people are listening to, they're far from meaningless. Songs can be fun but still have meaning. See: Dookie. And that's fair if you don't need great lyrics to enjoy a song. I enjoy songs a lot more when I the lyrics are meaningful/witty or the song has some meaning to it. That's just me. But yes I think we can compare the trilogy to green days other albums because when they were releasing them they didn't say "hey we just goofed around don't take these songs seriously" they said they were going back to the basics. They actually didn't say that. They were talking about the fact that they were at the very start of making a new album and how it was going, and they said they were at the stage of "going back to the basics" of making a new album. They didn't comment on what the album would sound like, they were just saying they were getting started with making it. Unfortunately shortly afterwards there was some crappy article that twisted the quote to make it sound like they'd said they were going back to basics musically. And then because of that one article a load more came out based on it, and suddenly the idea that Green Day had said their new album would be back to basics and sound like Dookie was out there. And then when the albums came out a lot of people were disappointed that it didn't sound like Dookie, even though the band never promised any such thing, all because of that lying article. I consider it my duty to spread this information , it's ridiculous that so many people mark the trilogy down all because of a misquote. We realized on GDC at the time but I guess that wasn't enough and people still think they said that.
DookieLukie Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 Hear hear! I don't know what lyrics other people are listening to, they're far from meaningless. They actually didn't say that. They were talking about the fact that they were at the very start of making a new album and how it was going, and they said they were at the stage of "going back to the basics" of making a new album. They didn't comment on what the album would sound like, they were just saying they were getting started with making it. Unfortunately shortly afterwards there was some crappy article that twisted the quote to make it sound like they'd said they were going back to basics musically. And then because of that one article a load more came out based on it, and suddenly the idea that Green Day had said their new album would be back to basics and sound like Dookie was out there. And then when the albums came out a lot of people were disappointed that it didn't sound like Dookie, even though the band never promised any such thing, all because of that lying article. I consider it my duty to spread this information , it's ridiculous that so many people mark the trilogy down all because of a misquote. We realized on GDC at the time but I guess that wasn't enough and people still think they said that. Billie did keep referring to Uno as the "Dookie" of the Trilogy. You get the sense that a Dookie, FBH, Rock Opera idea was brewing, and Billie kept saying that in interviews. I thought I read somewhere that billie said 99 revolutions was one of the bests things he had written - but I may be mistaken. I don't care for baby eyes. fell for you - I feel like his mouth is full of chewing gum or something. & I skip the forgotten - it bores me. The rest I love. He did say that, I remember. Gee wiz.
Hermione Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 Billie did keep referring to Uno as the "Dookie" of the Trilogy. You get the sense that a Dookie, FBH, Rock Opera idea was brewing, and Billie kept saying that in interviews. Ahh yeah I know much later they started always saying Uno was power pop, Dos was more garage rock and Tre was more reflective/epic. In a vague sense Uno is a bit Dookie like, Dos is a bit FBHT like and Tre is a bit American Idiot like, but I think that was more a way of describing the differences between the three rather than saying they'd actually sound just like those albums. People don't really complain about Dos not being more FBHT like or Tre not being more AI like, they only complain about Uno not being Dookie like and they also complain about the whole Trilogy not being produced like Dookie. I think that comes from that misquote more than anything, people are under the impression that right from the start of making the albums Green Day said they'd sound and be produced like Dookie.
DookieLukie Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 Ahh yeah I know much later they started always saying Uno was power pop, Dos was more garage rock and Tre was more reflective/epic. In a vague sense Uno is a bit Dookie like, Dos is a bit FBHT like and Tre is a bit American Idiot like, but I think that was more a way of describing the differences between the three rather than saying they'd actually sound just like those albums. People don't really complain about Dos not being more FBHT like or Tre not being more AI like, they only complain about Uno not being Dookie like and they also complain about the whole Trilogy not being produced like Dookie. I think that comes from that misquote more than anything, people are under the impression that right from the start of making the albums Green Day said they'd sound and be produced like Dookie. Good point
JOE THE X-KID Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 I hate the whole Green day should "re-make" Dookie thing. Yeah it's an awesome album and it was a point in time that they're really proud of, but Green Day should move on and mature ( which they have done). They're not snot nosed brats kids anymore, they've become mature adults who sing about more important and relevant things to their age ( no one mention makeout party)
frankoz Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 Unpopular opinion (as far as I know) : I don't like Holiday live. Sure, in person I can tolerate it, but I still don't really like it. Not to say I don't like the song; lyrically and musically, it's great, but I don't like the arrangement of it. I'm not very musically inclined, so I apologize if I'm wrong, but it feels like they up the tempo and I don't like it that way at all. Billie sings it much faster live than on the album...which really turns me off to it. Every other song live is fine, but Holiday just disappoints me sometimes. it is often the case, that songs are sped up live, it's simply due to the more energy intense setting, i'd say.
JOE THE X-KID Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 But yeah I think Stop drop and roll is much better than Dos
musso_kn Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 I hate the whole Green day should "re-make" Dookie thing. Yeah it's an awesome album and it was a point in time that they're really proud of, but Green Day should move on and mature (which they have done). They're not snot nosed brats kids anymore, they've become mature adults who sing about more important and relevant things to their age ( no one mention makeout party) I was about to do that. For the most part you're right, though. If they kept rehashing Dookie and Insomniac they wouldn't be around today.
ThranaM Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 They really need to stop playing Longview on every single concert. The song is used to much, and gets more boring every time I hear it.
greendayinsomniac Posted July 4, 2013 Posted July 4, 2013 I don't get why everyone is saying that the trilogy is better than 1039SOSH and Kerplunk. I think that those are two of Green Days most relatable, and influential albums.
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