Press Release: December tour canceled; Jan & Feb dates postponed

[Slave To The Network]

Another point to consider, in light of some of the quotes posted over the past pages, is that Billie Joe having ADHD means substances are going to have a different affect on him than the average person. The top two prescribed treatments for ADD and ADHD are Ritalin (an amphetamine) and Adderall (a barbiturate). With people for whom taking the pills is a problem (because they have trouble swallowing them or trouble affording them or they're experiencing too many side effects, etc), many professionals will suggest drinking coffee as an alternative treatment because it has high levels of caffeine, a natural amphetamine that, therefore, has largely the same effects as Ritalin. By the same token, a regular, controlled serving of alcohol, being a natural barbiturate, would have mostly the same effects as Adderall. And while that avenue is generally *not* recommended as a sanctioned alternative to prescription meds, it is still effective, and I have known quite a few people with various attention disorders who have used it to self-medicate in lieu of being able to afford a prescription.

Now, I will say that I do not necessarily think that Billie Joe was doing this, BUT, intended or not, drinking alcohol would likely present as having a positive effect on him, initially, as it would make him less anxious and more focused. More "normal". His observations in that one interview about drinking making it easier for him to write songs, while seeming like the ramblings of an yet another substance abusing artist on the surface, actually sound like a fairly accurate observation of the alcohol treating his ADHD symptoms, even if he didn't realize that's what it was, himself.

Of course, just as with a prescribed substance, if you take more than you need to, any positive aspects are going to ultimately be undone, and addiction and abuse are always risks that can lea to much more serious, long term problems. And, if combined with other substances (if, for example, he was given an actual prescription for his ADHD later on or, likewise, some sort of Anxiety medication, but was still drinking on top of that), it could easily cause further problems and have unintended affects, as well.

Ha! You know your brain chemistry and psychology stuff! I like it! We should talk sometime.

Anyway, I'm not sure if Billie has ADHD or ADD, though. He has mentioned that he has various anxiety disorders, one of them being Panic Disorder I believe, but I'm thinking the alcohol is just a substance dependance problem all on it's own and completely separate from self-medication for an attention disorder. However, that's not to say there isn't any sort of self-medication going on there. A lot of times, people who have anxiety problems also have mood problems too, such as depression. Kind of weird that alcohol is used so commonly to try to self treat depression seeing as it is a CNS depressant itself. I have no idea if that's what Billie has been using it for or if he was even using it for "therapeutic" purposes, but it's a thought.

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

When did this topic turn into a discussion about the potential factors that may or may not have led to Billie's problems?! Also when did people on here decide that "substance abuse" must mean alcohol? Seems odd to me that the media (of all people) are keeping an open mind on the issue (though NY post did mention drug addiction initially before editing their article to "substance abuse" the other day) while we (supposidly fans) feel the need to sort out his private life for him! Seriously?! We do not know what is going on DEAL with it!! Honestly assuming anything is childish. The guy has done his fair share of drugs as well as drink and just because he has a family or is a certain age doesnt mean he isnt capable of still doing both (drugs & drink i mean because he is a human being and as he says himself "nobodys perfect and i stand accused"). He may be suffering from depression, he may be going through all kinds of personal/family issues we will never ever know of and guess what...we shouldnt. What happened at iheart was just his breaking point...I for one am glad it took this form and he isnt the next Amy Winehouse/DeeDee Ramone/Curt Cobain. Now rather than guess what is wrong with him why dont we count our lucky stars?

[gerardsangel4977]

hmmm how interesting. i wonder if Billie really has ADHD or ADD. i remember in an interview once Tre joked about him having it because of the way he pieces songs together. something along the lines of "he writes down songs everywhere he goes, its the good kind of ADD" (dont ask what magazine, not a clue). he might really have it, but tre might have also been joking.

Ha! You know your brain chemistry and psychology stuff! I like it! We should talk sometime.

Anyway, I'm not sure if Billie has ADHD or ADD, though. He has mentioned that he has various anxiety disorders, one of them being Panic Disorder I believe, but I'm thinking the alcohol is just a substance dependance problem all on it's own and completely separate from self-medication for an attention disorder. However, that's not to say there isn't any sort of self-medication going on there. A lot of times, people who have anxiety problems also have mood problems too, such as depression. Kind of weird that alcohol is used so commonly to try to self treat depression seeing as it is a CNS depressant itself. I have no idea if that's what Billie has been using it for or if he was even using it for "therapeutic" purposes, but it's a thought.

Billie mentioned in an interview in 2009, prior to 21CB being released, that he had ADHD. I suppose one can always argue that he may have been joking, but the symptoms do line up with many of his behaviors and attributes as described by himself and the other members of the band over the years, so I'm choosing to take it as truth. And, of course, ADHD would not preclude him also having Panic or Anxiety Disorders.

I agree that he was probably not intentionally self-medicating for ADHD, just drinking to drink and because it helped him get into the right mindset or whatever. But, in hindsight, it would explain why he perceived it as having the effects that it did and how he could come off as "more lucid than usual" in public appearances while abusing substances behind the scenes.

[Slave To The Network]

Billie mentioned in an interview in 2009, prior to 21CB being released, that he had ADHD. I suppose one can always argue that he may have been joking, but the symptoms do line up with many of his behaviors and attributes as described by himself and the other members of the band over the years, so I'm choosing to take it as truth. And, of course, ADHD would not preclude him also having Panic or Anxiety Disorders.

I agree that he was probably not intentionally self-medicating for ADHD, just drinking to drink and because it helped him get into the right mindset or whatever. But, in hindsight, it would explain why he perceived it as having the effects that it did and how he could come off as "more lucid than usual" in public appearances while abusing substances behind the scenes.

I just have to ask. Are you a psychology or biology major by any chance? You certainly sound like one.

[AngelBlue_]

Billie mentioned in an interview in 2009, prior to 21CB being released, that he had ADHD. I suppose one can always argue that he may have been joking, but the symptoms do line up with many of his behaviors and attributes as described by himself and the other members of the band over the years, so I'm choosing to take it as truth. And, of course, ADHD would not preclude him also having Panic or Anxiety Disorders.

I agree that he was probably not intentionally self-medicating for ADHD, just drinking to drink and because it helped him get into the right mindset or whatever. But, in hindsight, it would explain why he perceived it as having the effects that it did and how he could come off as "more lucid than usual" in public appearances while abusing substances behind the scenes.

I found this, He really has ADHD. he was not joking here :

Armstrong told The Sunday Times April 26, 2009 that the track was inspired by "the never-ending hypocrisy of religion, all those snake-oil-salesman types, and that subliminal thing of threatening people and ripping away their individuality." He added: "I went to a Baptist church when I was, like, 14, and they basically said, 'If you do not accept Jesus Christ into your life, you're going to burn for eternity.' I was this 14-year-old kid, and I was scared s--tless. But then you start to realize, they're all hypocrites. These kids there would be saying things like, 'If you're not paying attention right now, that's Satan taking your mind away.' It was evil. And me, I have ADHD, so I'm there thinking about a million things. I mean, God forbid that you might be sitting in church thinking, 'God, I'd really like to f--k that girl.' You know, 'Satan, get out of my brain.'"

EDIT: we don't know if this has something to do with his current problem, I just wanted to make the ADHD thing clear.

[Marrymebilliejoe]

I found this, He really has ADHD. he was not joking here :

Armstrong told The Sunday Times April 26, 2009 that the track was inspired by "the never-ending hypocrisy of religion, all those snake-oil-salesman types, and that subliminal thing of threatening people and ripping away their individuality." He added: "I went to a Baptist church when I was, like, 14, and they basically said, 'If you do not accept Jesus Christ into your life, you're going to burn for eternity.' I was this 14-year-old kid, and I was scared s--tless. But then you start to realize, they're all hypocrites. These kids there would be saying things like, 'If you're not paying attention right now, that's Satan taking your mind away.' It was evil. And me, I have ADHD, so I'm there thinking about a million things. I mean, God forbid that you might be sitting in church thinking, 'God, I'd really like to f--k that girl.' You know, 'Satan, get out of my brain.'"

EDIT: we don't know if this has something to do with his current problem, I just wanted to make the ADHD thing clear.

Curious....what article did this come from?

[AngelBlue_]

Curious....what article did this come from?

I googled "Billie Joe ADHD" and I found this ------> http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=15461 . maybe someone can find the whole interview at sunday times, I'll try

[gerardsangel4977]

I found this, He really has ADHD. he was not joking here :

That is the interview/quote I was thinking of. Thank you

I just have to ask. Are you a psychology or biology major by any chance? You certainly sound like one.

Heh. I'll take that as a compliment, but no. I am not. I'm actually a communications major with a minor in creative writing . I did take quite a few psych courses in college to fill up my social sciences requirement, but it wasn't enough for a minor in the subject.

However, two of my sisters--and a couple of my friends--are education majors with special education certification. And, on top of that, I was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome in the 6th grade, so I've literally spent over half my life learning more about my own condition (and Autistic Spectrum Disorders, in general) and how to deal with it. I was actually on Adderall for a time, early on, but then got off it because it was having undesirable side effects that were actually making it harder for me to function, and I was too scared to try any other prescription meds after that. Can't stand the taste of coffee or alcohol, so self-medicating in that way was never much of a consideration for me (plus, I was 11, so the latter would've also been illegal ), but I do remember my neurologist suggesting drinking coffee as an alternative to the pills, even if I didn't understand why until several years later. In the time since then, I've managed to make a number of friends and acquaintances, both in person and on the internets, who likewise have various disabilities, including ADD, ADHD, paranoid schizophrenia, OCD, and other Aspies like myself (I have neurotypical friends as well, but I've never been as close with them, since they don't really "get" me in the same way). Some of them are on prescription medication; Some self-medicate or have in the past; and others go it alone without the aid of substances.

So, in short, my own knowledge comes from a mix of book-learnin', second-hand info, and first-hand experience. Though I would not consider myself an expert, by any means.

[gerardsangel4977]

When did this topic turn into a discussion about the potential factors that may or may not have led to Billie's problems?! Also when did people on here decide that "substance abuse" must mean alcohol? Seems odd to me that the media (of all people) are keeping an open mind on the issue (though NY post did mention drug addiction initially before editing their article to "substance abuse" the other day) while we (supposidly fans) feel the need to sort out his private life for him! Seriously?! We do not know what is going on DEAL with it!! Honestly assuming anything is childish. The guy has done his fair share of drugs as well as drink and just because he has a family or is a certain age doesnt mean he isnt capable of still doing both (drugs & drink i mean because he is a human being and as he says himself "nobodys perfect and i stand accused"). He may be suffering from depression, he may be going through all kinds of personal/family issues we will never ever know of and guess what...we shouldnt. What happened at iheart was just his breaking point...I for one am glad it took this form and he isnt the next Amy Winehouse/DeeDee Ramone/Curt Cobain. Now rather than guess what is wrong with him why dont we count our lucky stars?

Oh, yes, the media, who were so quick to jump to the conclusion that Billie was abusing drugs and that he had been placed in an in-patient facility, despite there being no record of it, and posted quotes from anonymous sources about what a loose cannon Billie Joe is in articles with sensationalist headlines are being so open-minded and fair about this. Truly, we should use them as an example to look up to

I can't speak for everyone here but, since I can't help but feel that your post is at least partly directed at me, I can tell you quite honestly that I presume nothing outside of what we've been told. Every piece of information I mentioned in my post was based on things that are public record and was brought up in regard to certain, very specific quotes from the man, himself. My aim in doing so was not to speculate on the cause of anything but, rather, to take those same quotes, which people had been discussing, and put them in the context of his disorder in order to further people's understanding, not to provoke judgment. The latter is the farthest thing from my mind, believe me.

I also did not assume anything in terms of what Billie was abusing: I focused my discussion on alcohol because that was the subject of the quotes in question, but I also touched on amphetamine usage, as well as the possibility of combining substances. If that is not open-minded enough for you, then I don't know what is. But I will say this: If you consider acknowledgement and discussion of Billie's ADHD to be nothing more than a simple game of "Guess What's Wrong With Billie?", you could probably stand to be a lot more open-minded, yourself.

[Slave To The Network]

That is the interview/quote I was thinking of. Thank you

Heh. I'll take that as a compliment, but no. I am not. I'm actually a communications major with a minor in creative writing . I did take quite a few psych courses in college to fill up my social sciences requirement, but it wasn't enough for a minor in the subject.

However, two of my sisters--and a couple of my friends--are education majors with special education certification. And, on top of that, I was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome in the 6th grade, so I've literally spent over half my life learning more about my own condition (and Autistic Spectrum Disorders, in general) and how to deal with it. I was actually on Adderall for a time, early on, but then got off it because it was having undesirable side effects that were actually making it harder for me to function, and I was too scared to try any other prescription meds after that. Can't stand the taste of coffee or alcohol, so self-medicating in that way was never much of a consideration for me (plus, I was 11, so the latter would've also been illegal ), but I do remember my neurologist suggesting drinking coffee as an alternative to the pills, even if I didn't understand why until several years later. In the time since then, I've managed to make a number of friends and acquaintances, both in person and on the internets, who likewise have various disabilities, including ADD, ADHD, paranoid schizophrenia, OCD, and other Aspies like myself (I have neurotypical friends as well, but I've never been as close with them, since they don't really "get" me in the same way). Some of them are on prescription medication; Some self-medicate or have in the past; and others go it alone without the aid of substances.

So, in short, my own knowledge comes from a mix of book-learnin', second-hand info, and first-hand experience. Though I would not consider myself an expert, by any means.

Okay, cool! And yes, it was a compliment! I was a psych major, but decided to change to biology instead. I've also done a lot of learning on my own about those types of things just because it's so interesting to me. I'm in a situation similar to you, where you want to research your own disorder to find out more about it and become more comfortable with it or whatever. I have Dysthymia, which is a type of depression that is less severe, but more chronic than major depressive disorder. In a way, it's almost worse because you're always stuck under the line of what's considered average mood, and swing up and down from there, never quite reaching normal.

[Hero_Of_The_Hour]

Oh, yes, the media, who were so quick to jump to the conclusion that Billie was abusing drugs and that he had been placed in an in-patient facility, despite there being no record of it, and posted quotes from anonymous sources about what a loose cannon Billie Joe is in articles with sensationalist headlines are being so open-minded and fair about this. Truly, we should use them as an example to look up to

I can't speak for everyone here but, since I can't help but feel that your post is at least partly directed at me, I can tell you quite honestly that I presume nothing outside of what we've been told. Every piece of information I mentioned in my post was based on things that are public record and was brought up in regard to certain, very specific quotes from the man, himself. My aim in doing so was not to speculate on the cause of anything but, rather, to take those same quotes, which people had been discussing, and put them in the context of his disorder in order to further people's understanding, not to provoke judgment. The latter is the farthest thing from my mind, believe me.

I also did not assume anything in terms of what Billie was abusing: I focused my discussion on alcohol because that was the subject of the quotes in question, but I also touched on amphetamine usage, as well as the possibility of combining substances. If that is not open-minded enough for you, then I don't know what is. But I will say this: If you consider acknowledgement and discussion of Billie's ADHD to be nothing more than a simple game of "Guess What's Wrong With Billie?", you could probably stand to be a lot more open-minded, yourself.

Ok, firstly i never named anyone specifically so there is no need to take it so personally. However this thread has become a discussion on Billie and his "issues" and the title of the thread reads "Press Release: December tour canceled Jan & Feb dates postponed" so exactly when did it become ok to start discussing his various health issues under this topic heading . I love the way you are telling me to be more open-minded apparantly by partaking in a discussion that verges on the ridiculous as we all huddle together and talk about his anxiety and ADHD and alcohol and drug use and love of pizza and patterned socks to what avail? It all has nothing to do with the tour being cancelled...well obviously his current situation does but we only know he is being treated for substance abuse and THAT is my whole point! We dont know WHAT substance and he deserves his privacy not a bunch of fans discussing the possibilities. That is plain rude not open-minded. As for your remark about the media...i never suggested we "look up to the media" (way to misinterpret a person ) i said that the media reports (the 99% i have read) have even had the logic to use the phrase "substance abuse" and nothing else (and i did even mention the NY Post article that did otherwise and then edited it.) . Also from what i read in the media they said Billie was in rehab (never specifically an in-patient facility) and he himself said he was in rehab on his private IG so maybe that is why no one in the band/management/label have ever corrected those statements. I never defended idiotic media reporting , i suggested it was a sad day when the media has more respect for privacy than fans and to be honest since Billie's rehab his privacy has been largely respected by the media but on this topic certain fans continue to discuss the potential reasons for his situation when we should instead be crossing everything that he will make a full recovery and be healthy and happy soon. Long story short I respect Billie too much to discuss his health as it is NONE of my business and it annoys me when fans try to diagnose/sort out such a serious issue which also happens to be so so private. I don't know maybe the guys have given us so much of themselves over the years that people think they own some part of them or something...i just think we should leave it alone.

[Slave To The Network]

Ok, firstly i never named anyone specifically so there is no need to take it so personally. However this thread has become a discussion on Billie and his "issues" and the title of the thread reads "Press Release: December tour canceled Jan & Feb dates postponed" so exactly when did it become ok to start discussing his various health issues under this topic heading . I love the way you are telling me to be more open-minded apparantly by partaking in a discussion that verges on the ridiculous as we all huddle together and talk about his anxiety and ADHD and alcohol and drug use and love of pizza and patterned socks to what avail? It all has nothing to do with the tour being cancelled...well obviously his current situation does but we only know he is being treated for substance abuse and THAT is my whole point! We dont know WHAT substance and he deserves his privacy not a bunch of fans discussing the possibilities. That is plain rude not open-minded. As for your remark about the media...i never suggested we "look up to the media" (way to misinterpret a person ) i said that the media reports (the 99% i have read) have even had the logic to use the phrase "substance abuse" and nothing else (and i did even mention the NY Post article that did otherwise and then edited it.) . Also from what i read in the media they said Billie was in rehab (never specifically an in-patient facility) and he himself said he was in rehab on his private IG so maybe that is why no one in the band/management/label have ever corrected those statements. I never defended idiotic media reporting , i suggested it was a sad day when the media has more respect for privacy than fans and to be honest since Billie's rehab his privacy has been largely respected by the media but on this topic certain fans continue to discuss the potential reasons for his situation when we should instead be crossing everything that he will make a full recovery and be healthy and happy soon. Long story short I respect Billie too much to discuss his health as it is NONE of my business and it annoys me when fans try to diagnose/sort out such a serious issue which also happens to be so so private. I don't know maybe the guys have given us so much of themselves over the years that people think they own some part of them or something...i just think we should leave it alone.

I don't think any of us ever assumed he was in an in-patient facility. I haven't been assuming anything that doesn't have any concrete evidence from a credible source. I don't think we're trying to diagnose him either. This is all just speculation and discussion like this is a coping mechanism for us to deal with this tragedy too. It's because we care about, respect, and love him. I'm also very grateful that he took the initiative to go into rehab instead of ignoring the problem. I think it's the best possible thing that could have happened under these circumstances.

By talking about this, were are processing and trying to take in the scale of this situation so we can feel better and reassure each other that this is a good thing and Billie will be okay. I don't think discussing these things is wrong or destructive in any way. If you're tired of it, you don't have to engage if you don't want. You don't even have to read this section if it bothers you so much.

[gerardsangel4977]

Ok, firstly i never named anyone specifically so there is no need to take it so personally. However this thread has become a discussion on Billie and his "issues" and the title of the thread reads "Press Release: December tour canceled Jan & Feb dates postponed" so exactly when did it become ok to start discussing his various health issues under this topic heading . I love the way you are telling me to be more open-minded apparantly by partaking in a discussion that verges on the ridiculous as we all huddle together and talk about his anxiety and ADHD and alcohol and drug use and love of pizza and patterned socks to what avail? It all has nothing to do with the tour being cancelled...well obviously his current situation does but we only know he is being treated for substance abuse and THAT is my whole point! We dont know WHAT substance and he deserves his privacy not a bunch of fans discussing the possibilities. That is plain rude not open-minded. As for your remark about the media...i never suggested we "look up to the media" (way to misinterpret a person ) i said that the media reports (the 99% i have read) have even had the logic to use the phrase "substance abuse" and nothing else (and i did even mention the NY Post article that did otherwise and then edited it.) . Also from what i read in the media they said Billie was in rehab (never specifically an in-patient facility) and he himself said he was in rehab on his private IG so maybe that is why no one in the band/management/label have ever corrected those statements. I never defended idiotic media reporting , i suggested it was a sad day when the media has more respect for privacy than fans and to be honest since Billie's rehab his privacy has been largely respected by the media but on this topic certain fans continue to discuss the potential reasons for his situation when we should instead be crossing everything that he will make a full recovery and be healthy and happy soon. Long story short I respect Billie too much to discuss his health as it is NONE of my business and it annoys me when fans try to diagnose/sort out such a serious issue which also happens to be so so private. I don't know maybe the guys have given us so much of themselves over the years that people think they own some part of them or something...i just think we should leave it alone.

You have a minor point that the thread has gone a bit off-topic, and if that had been your only complaint, I probably would've left your post well-enough alone. But the rest of what you have been saying is completely off-base.

The media reports following the announcement of Billie Joe's treatment for substance abuse were highly inflammatory and sensationalized, and even the more "professional" ones still jumped to conclusions about the nature of his treatment, what substance he was abusing, his hospital stay in Italy, his lyrics, and various other recent events and aspects of his behavior. One site, in particular, sought out quotes from Billie's family, which were quickly spread around by various other outlets. That is *not* respecting his privacy. As time has gone on, the press has become more respectful about it, but the initial wave of news pieces was anything but.

I did not take your post personally, but I was a part of the discussion that you are railing against, so I felt the need to speak up for myself, while also acknowledging that I could not speak for everyone else involved. Also, you are still vastly misinterpreting the situation. No one is trying to diagnose Billie Joe. He has ADHD. He has issues with substance abuse. These are not armchair diagnoses made by bored, curious fans; They are factual statements taken straight from the band's own press.

Furthermore, ADHD is *not* a health issue. It is not something that is "wrong" with Billie; It is merely an aspect of who he is, as much as being male or having green eyes or loving music. *This* is why I said you should be more open-minded, as you clearly have many in-grained misconceptions if you see such a topic as a discussion of Billie's flaws or health problems and think that it is rude or disrespectful to acknowledge it's existence. On the contrary, I think it is highly unfair and misleading for neurotypical people to come at the issue from a neurotypical perspective, which is why I brought it up in the first place. I was not--and am not--trying to explain how or why Billie ended up where he is and nothing in either of my posts insinuated as much.

[Punk Rock Love]

Has anyone heard anything about the postponed tour dates?

[AwePuppy]

I got an email from ticketmaster saying that the concert I was gonna go to November 27th 2012 was not cancelled and was postponed. I emailed ticketmaster and provided them with information from greenday.com that they 2012 dates are cancelled and will be refunded, but ticketmaster emailed me back saying that the information they have officially received says that the concert is postponed and tickets will be honored at a later date and not refunded..... Anyone else having this issue? Is green day gonna surprise those with 2012 tickets with the shows?

[Don't Wear It Out]

Welcome! We don't know where they're playing yet, they're playing a show at Emirates Stadium in London in June but as yet they haven't announced a full UK tour. If and when they do it's extremely likely they'll play some shows in the North though, they have on every other tour they've done here. Just have to wait for them to announce more dates

Thankyou!

[Mar]

I'm just curious - is it just me, or does it feel like it was MONTHS ago that these dates were postponed/canceled, when in reality it was only 27 days ago? I was getting really fucking angry that we hadn't heard any developments about this, and then I realized ... oh, shit, I guess this month has just dragged on longer than I thought!

[Rianne]

I'm just curious - is it just me, or does it feel like it was MONTHS ago that these dates were postponed/canceled, when in reality it was only 27 days ago? I was getting really fucking angry that we hadn't heard any developments about this, and then I realized ... oh, shit, I guess this month has just dragged on longer than I thought!

Wow, it's only been 27 days?! I feel like it's been forever... I was wondering why we didn't get any updates on this. But now that I realise it's only been 27 days ago, it makes sense.

[DannyDirnt]

I didn't even know there was a club tour, but I guess I'm not concerned because it was US only once more. All I can say here is that it's nice to continue hearing from Mike that Billie Joe is doing well, and it was really nice of them to change the release of ¡Tré! to an earlier date to make up for the tour even though that would mean less promotion and success for the album...

[Ritz]

27 days? Feels like its been months since this.

[EmmaCharlatan&Saints]

Ok, firstly i never named anyone specifically so there is no need to take it so personally. However this thread has become a discussion on Billie and his "issues" and the title of the thread reads "Press Release: December tour canceled Jan & Feb dates postponed" so exactly when did it become ok to start discussing his various health issues under this topic heading . I love the way you are telling me to be more open-minded apparantly by partaking in a discussion that verges on the ridiculous as we all huddle together and talk about his anxiety and ADHD and alcohol and drug use and love of pizza and patterned socks to what avail? It all has nothing to do with the tour being cancelled...well obviously his current situation does but we only know he is being treated for substance abuse and THAT is my whole point! We dont know WHAT substance and he deserves his privacy not a bunch of fans discussing the possibilities. That is plain rude not open-minded. As for your remark about the media...i never suggested we "look up to the media" (way to misinterpret a person ) i said that the media reports (the 99% i have read) have even had the logic to use the phrase "substance abuse" and nothing else (and i did even mention the NY Post article that did otherwise and then edited it.) . Also from what i read in the media they said Billie was in rehab (never specifically an in-patient facility) and he himself said he was in rehab on his private IG so maybe that is why no one in the band/management/label have ever corrected those statements. I never defended idiotic media reporting , i suggested it was a sad day when the media has more respect for privacy than fans and to be honest since Billie's rehab his privacy has been largely respected by the media but on this topic certain fans continue to discuss the potential reasons for his situation when we should instead be crossing everything that he will make a full recovery and be healthy and happy soon. Long story short I respect Billie too much to discuss his health as it is NONE of my business and it annoys me when fans try to diagnose/sort out such a serious issue which also happens to be so so private. I don't know maybe the guys have given us so much of themselves over the years that people think they own some part of them or something...i just think we should leave it alone.

THIS!. Someone on here at least talks sense and doesnt continue to speculate.

[AlissaGoesRAWR]

I'm just curious - is it just me, or does it feel like it was MONTHS ago that these dates were postponed/canceled, when in reality it was only 27 days ago? I was getting really fucking angry that we hadn't heard any developments about this, and then I realized ... oh, shit, I guess this month has just dragged on longer than I thought!

I think I just lump the cancellations with iHeart and Billie's rehab, which happened in September and make it feel like an eternity. But in reality, that was only two months away, so that wasn't really that long, either. But from September to the cancellations there wasn't much activity, so I guess the feelings make sense. Still sucks. But 27 days definitely isn't much time at all to get all the logistics in order of rescheduling an entire tour.

[Sammy Winchester]

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[TheNimrod51]

I love how they said they were gonna announce this in a couple weeks and now it's been a month and a half. I'm starting to get nervous.

[AfterShock]

I love how they said they were gonna announce this in a couple weeks and now it's been a month and a half. I'm starting to get nervous.

me too :/ I need to know