Is Green Day still playing good music?

[Kopitewarrior]

If we're gonna be pedantic here American Idiot isn't GDA, its G#, C# and F#, with an F in the chorus

[Justin]

And just to quickly respond to whoever said that The Offspring and Dream Theater won't be remembered: you're out of your mind. The Offspring put out one of the best-selling albums of the 90's and helped end grunge and bring punk into your living rooms, and Dream Theater is made up of some of the best musicians to ever pick up instruments.

To be honest, Dream Theater will be remember by the metal community but not by a general crowd. Bands like Nirvana, The Who, The Ramones, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Metallica, Slayer etc have all been remembered for their work by people not even fans of the music. Dream Theater arent at that stage yet, when their music is heard by masses then its possible. Thats not to say they arent great musicians etc etc

[Blond-O-Sonic Shimmer Trap]

I've heard a lot of his work, and while he may deserve credit as an innovative producer, he's definitely a mediocre rapper and has consistently shamed what hip-hop and rap are about. I don't even consider him a rapper really, he's more of a pop star operating under the guise of a rapper. His lyrics and delivery are basic at best, but again, that's because he's more of a pop star. That's how the rap industry (unfortunately) works these days - it's a business more than anything. It does not make him revolutionary because he sampled Daft Punk in a song, when other rappers had already been doing that for years. In 20 years, Kanye won't be remembered for his albums, he'll be remembered for his guest production work, for his comments about George Bush, for his ego, for his stunt at the VMA's with Taylor Swift, and for dating Kim Kardashian.

But this has gotten way off topic. The original question was does Green Day still make good music, not anyone else.

OK. It's clear you haven't listened to either album in question, since you've brought up the Daft Punk song which isn't on either one, and then brought up album sales as though a higher selling record is somehow better. Kanye has never been the best rapper, wouldn't argue with that, but that is subjective. What isn't subjective is that he is a constantly interesting artist whose albums are always of a consistently high standard. But back to the album sales/quality point. Does Green Day selling lots of copies of American Idiot prove that rock 'n' roll is still alive? Hell no! It never died in the first place. The year before that we had The White Stripes release Elephant and The Strokes release Room On Fire. The first two Kings of Leon albums came out in 2003 and 2004.

It reinvigorated their career, absolutely, but "made an huge & effective political statement, and helped inform a younger generation and rid them of political apathy?" I think you're overselling it just a tad. I've been listening to that album more than almost any other in the last 8 years, and I never caught any huge political statement. It's a coming of age tale not a political manifesto. The only political sentiments on there are "war is bad" "America is in a bad state just now". And even they just set the scene for the rest of the story to happen.

I'm quite comfortable with the original statement. The Offspring are a hugely distant third to Green Day and Blink with regards to 90s pop-punk, and Dream Theater have never been relevant.

[A Basket Case]

Billie Joe Armstrong is, and always will be one of the greatest singer/songwriters to ever live. His lyrics fit people's lives in different ways. 1039 SOSH was a young guy, learning hte ropes of life, and gettin pissed off, and falling in love, and out of it, and in it again. Then in Kerplunk, it shows a more mature version of SOSH, with more power behind his vocals. Then Dookie came along, which dealt with the feelings of later teen life, like with Longview fits the teens like me who have days were we sit on our asses until "masturbation lost its fun" Then his lyrics on insomniac fit anyone who's ever been past the point of stressed out of your mind. While Nimrod fits the people who managed to return from their stressed out personal "insomniacs" Then American idiot, which affected people in two ways, politically, and people with thier own St. JImmy version of himself, or who has that Whatsername girl. And helps us get through that time knowing that other people have dealt with the same. With 21st century breakdown, its just Billie's view of the world itself as he sees it, and also just filler music for the Broadway show, i remember hearing somewer that he even says that. With the singles from Uno and the other songs from the other 2 albums, it shows that Billie just wanted to sit back and relax and let himself go (no pun intended) But its just a relief that hes letting loose and writing fun, high energy songs again, its probably how he keeps himself looking so young, becaseu he as that kind of outlet to let out his stress and pressure

Thats just my opinion, and how i feel about his writing, and he is were i get my inpsiration for writing music. \

thats about it

thanks for reading my rant

Jake

[WrongWayToSalvation]

Seriously, it's the close-mindedness of a lot of the rock community that makes me want to separate myself as far from them as possible.

You can't call yourself a music lover if you only like rock, and you can't definitely say you hate an entire music genre. Why? Because there are thousands of music artists per genre, and millions of songs. When you say you hate a music genre are you seriously telling me that you've heard every single song of that genre and you don't like a single one of them? It's pathetic. It's also sad because those same close-minded people are probably also the people who think they're so "punk" and "rebellious" with their skinny jeans, Misfit t-shirts, and Vans/Converses. Congrats, you're just a fucking stereotype, and a probably also a douchebag.

[Malleus]

Hey man, leave skinny jeans and Vans outta this because as the international spokesperson for those two things, I can say that we do not endorse such douchebaggery.

[WrongWayToSalvation]

I've heard a lot of his work, and while he may deserve credit as an innovative producer, he's definitely a mediocre rapper and has consistently shamed what hip-hop and rap are about. I don't even consider him a rapper really, he's more of a pop star operating under the guise of a rapper. His lyrics and delivery are basic at best, but again, that's because he's more of a pop star. That's how the rap industry (unfortunately) works these days - it's a business more than anything. It does not make him revolutionary because he sampled Daft Punk in a song, when other rappers had already been doing that for years. In 20 years, Kanye won't be remembered for his albums, he'll be remembered for his guest production work, for his comments about George Bush, for his ego, for his stunt at the VMA's with Taylor Swift, and for dating Kim Kardashian.

And in response to the "breath of fresh air for rap," I think that title more belongs to the Beastie Boys' To The Five Buroughs, which was released that same year. But you can't compare College Dropout, which only sold 3.1 million albums in the US and 4 million albums worldwide, to an album like American Idiot, which sold 6 million albums in the US alone, and 14 million worldwide. College Dropout simply gave Kanye his start, which isn't hard to get in the rap industry, because it's all about who you know. Whereas American Idiot reinvigorated a dying bands career, proved that rock and roll is still alive, made an huge & effective political statement, and helped inform a younger generation and rid them of political apathy. They both may be important albums, and Kanye may have changed rap, but I wouldn't argue that it's for the better. He promotes ignorance, and has led to gimmickry like Lil Wayne and Ninki Minaj.

And just to quickly respond to whoever said that The Offspring and Dream Theater won't be remembered: you're out of your mind. The Offspring put out one of the best-selling albums of the 90's and helped end grunge and bring punk into your living rooms, and Dream Theater is made up of some of the best musicians to ever pick up instruments.

But this has gotten way off topic. The original question was does Green Day still make good music, not anyone else.

Ok first off, the 2004 Beastie Boys album was more influential than The College Dropout? Was that album included in Time Magazines greatest albums of all time? And now you're going to do an argument of sales? Brittany's Spears debut albums was one of the biggest selling albums of the decade, guess that makes her better than Green Day and that album better and more impact full than American Idiot. Kanye isn't a good rapper?

Blame Game excerpt:

Things used to be, now they not

Anything but us is who we are

Disguising ourselves as secret lovers

We've become public enemies

We walk away like strangers in the street

Gone for eternity, we erased one another

So far from where we came with so much of everything

How do we leave with nothing?

Lack of visual empathy

Equates the meaning of L-O-V-E

Hatred and attitude tear us entirely

Chloe Mitchell

Gorgeous excerpt:

Penitentiary chances, the devil dances

And eventually answers to the call of autumn

All them fallin' for the love of ballin'

Get caught with 30 rocks, the cop looked like Alec Baldwin

End of century anthems, based off inner-city tantrums

Based off the way we was branded

Face it, Jerome get more time than Brandon

And at the airport they check all through my bag

And tell me that it's random, but we stay winnin'

This week has been a bad massage, I need a happy endin'

And a new beginning and a new fitted

And some job opportunities as lucrative

This the real world, homie school finished

They done stole your dreams, you don't know who did it

I treat the cash the way the government treats A.I.D.S.

I won't be satisfied until all my niggas get it, get it?

Power excerpt:

I just needed time alone, with my own thoughts

Got treasures in my mind but couldn't open up my own vault

My child-like creativity, purity and honesty is honestly being crowded by these grown thoughts

Reality is catching up with me, taking my inner child I'm fighting for custody

With these responsibilities that they entrust in me

As I look down at my diamond encrusted piece thinking...

Heard 'Em Say excerpt:

They say people in your life are seasons,

And anything that happen is for a reason,

And niggas guns a clappin and keep to squeezin',

And Gran (Grandma) keep prayin' and keep believin',

And Jesus and one day that ya see him,

Till they walk in his footsteps and try to be him,

The devil is alive I feel him breathin',

Claimin' money is the key so keep on dreamin',

And put them lottery tickets just to tease us,

My aunt Pam can't put those cigarettes down,

Now my lil cousin smokin those cigarettes now,

And you say he isn't a good rapper/lyricist? Kanye takes risks with his music.

How many rappers would write a song criticizing themselves?

Runaway:

And I always find, yeah, I always find somethin' wrong

You been puttin' up wit' my shit just way too long

I'm so gifted at findin' what I don't like the most

So I think it's time for us to have a toast

Let's have a toast for the douchebags,

Let's have a toast for the assholes,

Let's have a toast for the scumbags,

Every one of them that I know

Let's have a toast for the jerkoffs

That'll never take work off

Baby, I got a plan

Run away fast as you can

How many rappers do you know would write an entire album where they just sing?

How many rappers do you know hire an actual movie composer to collab with when making an album?

Who has one of the highest rated albums of the decade?

http://www.metacritic.com/browse/albums/score/metascore/year?sort=desc&view=condensed&year_selected=2010

The highest ranking original album of 2010. My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy.

I believe the word you're looking for is...owned.

Hey man, leave skinny jeans and Vans outta this because as the international spokesperson for those two things, I can say that we do not endorse such douchebaggery.

Well, I'm one of the few white kids at my school that doesn't wear them (I wear Adidas/Nikes, and loose fit pants).

And most of the one's who did have that sort of "skater" "emo" vibe because they also have that hairstyle with the super long fringe.

[BlackBaboon]

Ok first off, the 2004 Beastie Boys album was more influential than The College Dropout? Was that album included in Time Magazines greatest albums of all time? And now you're going to do an argument of sales? Brittany's Spears debut albums was one of the biggest selling albums of the decade, guess that makes her better than Green Day and that album better and more impact full than American Idiot. Kanye isn't a good rapper?

I'm cool with you liking Kanye West if you want to, but I think you might be going a little overboard in trying to convince someone else to like him. The fact of the matter is there are people out there who just don't like rap just like there are people who just don't like punk or funk or metal or classic rock. I don't see why we have to try to convince them they're somehow defective. If Kanye's lyrics speak to you I think that's great, and I also don't think you need to try to convince anyone the lyrics speak to them too. We're all here for the same reason and I don't think we should get too worked up over small disagreements like this.

[WrongWayToSalvation]

I'm cool with you liking Kanye West if you want to, but I think you might be going a little overboard in trying to convince someone else to like him. The fact of the matter is there are people out there who just don't like rap just like there are people who just don't like punk or funk or metal or classic rock. I don't see why we have to try to convince them they're somehow defective. If Kanye's lyrics speak to you I think that's great, and I also don't think you need to try to convince anyone the lyrics speak to them too. We're all here for the same reason and I don't think we should get too worked up over small disagreements like this.

I'm not trying to convince anyone, I'm just showing how weak, general, and ignorant the argument was. There's a difference between saying you're not a fan of something and saying something is bad and stating it as if it were a fact. And no one can say they dislike an entire music genre without sounding ignorant. There are thousands, perhaps millions of songs in each genre, unique to each genre. They can't tell me that there isn't going to be at least one song that they'll like, out of millions.

[WrongWayToSalvation]

Also, Kanye West doesn't promote ignorance. He promotes speaking your mind and expressing yourself.

Hell, he's a gay rights supporter. Does that sound ignorant to anyone?

Speak your mind, don't let whatever's there eat away at you, let it out and don't worry about the reactions.

It seems like once you become famous you lose your freedom of speech, because if he wasn't famous no one would give a fuck.

That's the true ignorance. People are so judgmental of famous people that it's sickening. Like you're absolutely perfect in comparison, the only difference is that your voice is a whisper, while Kanye's (and any famous person for that matter) can be like a nationwide amber alert. Everyone hears it, and everyone freaks out and jumps to conclusions.

[porksoda]

I'm not trying to convince anyone, I'm just showing how weak, general, and ignorant the argument was. There's a difference between saying you're not a fan of something and saying something is bad and stating it as if it were a fact. And no one can say they dislike an entire music genre without sounding ignorant. There are thousands, perhaps millions of songs in each genre, unique to each genre. They can't tell me that there isn't going to be at least one song that they'll like, out of millions.

You went way overkill. I wasn't trying to prove that Kanye being bad is a fact, it's obviously my opinion. The original argument was that Kanye West is as important to music as Green Day is, which, I'm sorry, isn't true (maybe to contemporary hip-hop). I was also trying to explain is that Kanye is not an accurate representation of what good hip-hop is, and that popularity does not equal talent. Believe whatever you want. But don't go assuming I dislike an entire genre of music because I don't like one hack artist within that genre. I'm actually a big rap fan.

OK. It's clear you haven't listened to either album in question, since you've brought up the Daft Punk song which isn't on either one, and then brought up album sales as though a higher selling record is somehow better. Kanye has never been the best rapper, wouldn't argue with that, but that is subjective. What isn't subjective is that he is a constantly interesting artist whose albums are always of a consistently high standard. But back to the album sales/quality point. Does Green Day selling lots of copies of American Idiot prove that rock 'n' roll is still alive? Hell no! It never died in the first place. The year before that we had The White Stripes release Elephant and The Strokes release Room On Fire. The first two Kings of Leon albums came out in 2003 and 2004.

I'm quite comfortable with the original statement. The Offspring are a hugely distant third to Green Day and Blink with regards to 90s pop-punk, and Dream Theater have never been relevant.

Just because I chose to cite what is probably one of his biggest songs doesn't mean that I haven't heard his other albums. I chose that song to illustrate that he's not as revolutionary as some people clammer on about, because when the song came out, everyone was like, "OMG Kanye sampled Daft Punk, what a genius!" The album sales were brought up because in the original comment I was responding to, they said that College Dropout was as influential as American Idiot. Album sales definitely don't equal talent, but it was definitely a valid point to bring up in that argument.

But I think a majority of our misunderstanding is our cultural gap, since you live in the UK and I live in the US. You don't know what it was like living under George W. Bush and hating it, and then American Idiot dropping and seeing Green Day live to promote it. The ideals they instilled in me will last me my entire life, and it's obvious it's done the same for other people. It wasn't all political, sure, but it gave disillusioned kids like myself a voice, and again, album sales will prove that.

You also don't understand the punk rock scene in California in the early 90's. If you think blink is responsible for it, you're wrong. Blink 182 is the result. Bands like Green Day, The Offspring, Rancid, NOFX, and Pennywise are the ones responsible. And ask any metal fan - hell any real music fan - about Dream Theater and you'll find that your statement about them is also incorrect.

[WrongWayToSalvation]

You went way overkill. I wasn't trying to prove that Kanye being bad is a fact, it's obviously my opinion. The original argument was that Kanye West is as important to music as Green Day is, which, I'm sorry, isn't true (maybe to contemporary hip-hop). I was also trying to explain is that Kanye is not an accurate representation of what good hip-hop is, and that popularity does not equal talent. Believe whatever you want. But don't go assuming I dislike an entire genre of music because I don't like one hack artist within that genre. I'm actually a big rap fan.

Just because I chose to cite what is probably one of his biggest songs doesn't mean that I haven't heard his other albums. I chose that song to illustrate that he's not as revolutionary as some people clammer on about, because when the song came out, everyone was like, "OMG Kanye sampled Daft Punk, what a genius!" The album sales were brought up because in the original comment I was responding to, they said that College Dropout was as influential as American Idiot. Album sales definitely don't equal talent, but it was definitely a valid point to bring up in that argument.

But I think a majority of our misunderstanding is our cultural gap, since you live in the UK and I live in the US. You don't know what it was like living under George W. Bush and hating it, and then American Idiot dropping and seeing Green Day live to promote it. The ideals they instilled in me will last me my entire life, and it's obvious it's done the same for other people. It wasn't all political, sure, but it gave disillusioned kids like myself a voice, and again, album sales will prove that.

You also don't understand the punk rock scene in California in the early 90's. If you think blink is responsible for it, you're wrong. Blink 182 is the result. Bands like Green Day, The Offspring, Rancid, NOFX, and Pennywise are the ones responsible. And ask any metal fan - hell any real music fan - about Dream Theater and you'll find that your statement about them is also incorrect.

First off, Stronger is probably one of Kanye's most hated songs. No one was freaking out when he sampled Daft Punk, in fact him sampling is one of the biggest criticisms against him. He's good rap. He does what a lot of rappers don't do. He experiments. Kanye West is easily the most acclaimed artist out of ANY genre with his level of popularity. A few of his albums are more critically acclaimed than Radiohead's last 3 albums (King Of Limbs, In Rainbows, Hail To The Thief). He isn't just a contemporary artist because he's dabbled multiple times in vintage style music genres. 4 of his albums are just as critically acclaimed, and more so than American Idiot. Almost every single one of his albums is listed on a Greatest of All-Time list, while Green Day has only AI and Dookie. And also, this is aimed toward your argument about sales. Kanye West is one of the greatest selling digital artists of all time. Now, I have a question for you, how is Kanye West not an "accurate representation of what good hip-hop is"? You just sound like someone who hates on him, which is the cool thing to do now, because all of your arguments to prove your points are weak. TCDO isn't as influential as AI because of sales? You just said that popularity doesn't equal talent, which no one was saying Kanye was talented just because he's popular.

[21stcenturyidiot]

I don't like rap and hip hop. I just don't. I don't like how it sounds. I don't like the artists, kanye, fiddy cent, Jay Z, Eminem. The music just doesn't speak to me at all. Does this make me a douchebag? If so how so? I've tried to like stuff. I just don't like it. In my opinion green day blows them away in terms if talent. I also dislike most modern artists like Nicki Minaj, bieber and one direction. I just dont like the. Again, am I a docuhebag for this?

People tell me to read the lyrics for kanye and eminem and I don't think they're that good. I just don't , that coupled with the music means I'm probably never gonna like that style. But I don't appreciate being called a docuhebag for that thanks very much WrongWay.

[WrongWayToSalvation]

I don't like rap and hip hop. I just don't. I don't like how it sounds. I don't like the artists, kanye, fiddy cent, Jay Z, Eminem. The music just doesn't speak to me at all. Does this make me a douchebag? If so how so? I've tried to like stuff. I just don't like it. In my opinion green day blows them away in terms if talent. I also dislike most modern artists like Nicki Minaj, bieber and one direction. I just dont like the. Again, am I a docuhebag for this?

People tell me to read the lyrics for kanye and eminem and I don't think they're that good. I just don't , that coupled with the music means I'm probably never gonna like that style. But I don't appreciate being called a docuhebag for that thanks very much WrongWay.

I never said anyone who didn't like it was definitely a douchebag, I said you can't condemn an entire music genre without being somewhat ignorant.

You don't like rap, yet you label mainstream rappers, and haven't bothered to dig deeper to see if there could be something you like?

How could you like a genre like Hardcore Punk, but not like Rap? Hardcore Punk doesn't require any singing, just screaming and yelling. Rap requires rhythmic talking. Rap is the most flexible genre of music there is, you can rap to anything. Funk, Reggae, Rock, Dubstep, Classical etc. You can't just say "I don't like how it sounds", because it doesn't have to have a definitive sound. And to say their lyrics aren't good?

Things used to be, now they not

Anything but us is who we are

Disguising ourselves as secret lovers

We've become public enemies

We walk away like strangers in the street

Gone for eternity, we erased one another

So far from where we came with so much of everything

How do we leave with nothing?

Lack of visual empathy

Equates the meaning of L-O-V-E

Hatred and attitude tear us entirely

This isn't even rap right here, this is poetry.

I bet the only reason you would say it's not good is because it's from a rap artist. If Green Day had written this, I bet you would be raving about it.

Rap has melody, just like rock. Hell, Rap can have rock instruments in it. You must have been only listening to radio rap then, and haven't bothered to find anything else. Condemning and stating you dislike an entire genre before you've even bothered to dig a little deep into it? Yeah, I'd say that's musically ignorant.

[21stcenturyidiot]

How could you like a genre like Hardcore Punk, but not like Rap? Hardcore Punk doesn't require any singing, just screaming and yelling.

Surely your statement right there makes you as "musically ignorant" as me? You're tarring all "hardcore punk" bands with the same brush, making a generalisation about them, exactly what you've told me not to do with rap.

Yes all I have heard is the radio rap, but all I heard was radio rock. I liked it and dug deeper. I heard "radio rap" and didn't like it. You can't generalise about one genre and then complain when someone else does it....that's ignorance right there

[WrongWayToSalvation]

Surely your statement right there makes you as "musically ignorant" as me? You're tarring all "hardcore punk" bands with the same brush, making a generalisation about them, exactly what you've told me not to do with rap.

Yes all I have heard is the radio rap, but all I heard was radio rock. I liked it and dug deeper. I heard "radio rap" and didn't like it. You can't generalise about one genre and then complain when someone else does it....that's ignorance right there

It doesn't require singing, exactly as I said. You don't need talent to be in a hardcore punk band, you can have talent it but it isn't exactly necessary. You just need to make whatever it is you're trying to say come out of a dark and angry place. I listen to Hradcore Punk as well. I am less "musically ignorant" than the average person because I really listen to what every music genre has to offer instead of just brushing it aside or pushing it away. I was raised on hip hop/rap (which are two completely different things), no one in my family listened to anything besides hip hop and rap. I discovered Rock myself, through Green Day. The first album I ever bought was American Idiot when I was 14, I didn't care much about music at the time. I enjoyed the album, so I started exploring their discography, then started moving to their influences, and along the way discovered more bands. But hip hop/rap are in blood, so I started digging deep into there and discovered artists like Lupe Fiasco, Redman, Method Man, Outkast, NWA (a rap group that both Kurt Cobain AND Tre Cool love, or in Kurt's case loved) etc. Rap grouped like Outkast got me interested into other genres due to their experimentation, I started getting into Reggae, Funk, R&B, Industrial, Soul, Gospel, Pop etc. And I'm not a passive listener. I pay attention to every little sound, ever note, every strum. I read and take inspiration from these artist's lyrics. Whenever I write lyrics or poetry I have a mix of different styles put in there.

Even the way I dress is represented by my dabble in multiple musical cultures and styles. Believe me, I'm not musically ignorant.

[21stcenturyidiot]

It doesn't require singing, exactly as I said. You don't need talent to be in a hardcore punk band, you can have talent it but it isn't exactly necessary.

Same can be said for Rap. I'll say it again, I've listened to a variety of rap artists and I don't like them, I just don't. A friend of mine gave me an eminem CD when i was 13 and I really didn't like it. As for not digging deep, if you try a food and don't like it, do you continue eating it? that's the same with rap. I've sampled what's on offer, and didn't like it

[WrongWayToSalvation]

Same can be said for Rap. I'll say it again, I've listened to a variety of rap artists and I don't like them, I just don't. A friend of mine gave me an eminem CD when i was 13 and I really didn't like it. As for not digging deep, if you try a food and don't like it, do you continue eating it? that's the same with rap. I've sampled what's on offer, and didn't like it

No, the same thing can't be said for rap. Not everyone can rap, you need a good sense of timing and rhythm, it isn't easy.

You still have to construct melodies, it isn't just, how some people say, "talking fast".

I've got a rap song for you that I guranatee you've never heard before, or heard anything like it.

It's rock, but it's still rap.

[21stcenturyidiot]

No, the same thing can't be said for rap. Not everyone can rap, you need a good sense of timing and rhythm, it isn't easy.

You still have to construct melodies, it isn't just, how some people say, "talking fast".

I've got a rap song for you that I guranatee you've never heard before, or heard anything like it.

It's rock, but it's still rap.

The same CAN be said for rap.

My cousin wants to be a rapper. I have a CD of his " mix tape" that he did. It's bloody awful, not just cos I don't like rap, I mean because he's got a backing track and is trying to rap to it. He has no rhythm, but he's got people who think he's great.

Every single genre of music has awful artists, rap is no different

Enjoy the talent of Joshie B.

[WrongWayToSalvation]

The same CAN be said for rap.

My cousin wants to be a rapper. I have a CD of his " mix tape" that he did. It's bloody awful, not just cos I don't like rap, I mean because he's got a backing track and is trying to rap to it. He has no rhythm, but he's got people who think he's great.

Every single genre of music has awful artists, rap is no different

Enjoy the talent of Joshie B.

And I never said there are such things as bad rappers. In order to be a good rapper you have to be talented. You need good rhythm, a good flow, an interesting voice that makes you stand out, The average person is very passive when it comes to music, they aren't good at distincting things, so everything starts melding together to them. That's why they probably think your cousin is good, they're just passive listeners.

[Sabz]

WrongwaytoSalvation just seems to constantly go on about how much better other things are and how wrong everybody is about everything and how he's musically superior and has a broader mind than anybody else :L nobody minds you stating your opinion and being passionate about it but when you're putting everyone down and making out they're inferior, it just makes you sound like a dick. For the record btw, i actually do agree with the odd thing he says but quite often he goes about in a real condesending way, maybe he's just trying to be "punk as fuck" he's sure as hell trying to be perfect :L

All in my opinion ofc

[Hermione]

I know I talked about Kanye , but things are really getting off topic in here now. Head over to the neglected Rap thread in Other Bands if you wanna continue discussing it, be nice to see some conversation in there:

http://www.greendayc.../page__st__1140

Let's keep to the topic of whether Green Day are still playing good music or not here. And whatever thread you're in try to be civil to each other please, there's no need to be rude or make personal attacks.

[Sleeper Agent.]

Oooooh an unlocked thread that looks like it should be locked, Me gusta

[Sarcasm]

Everyone has a different opinion on what good music is, in my opinion the new material is garbage lyrically, it has some nice hooks and references.

Musically it's different. Mostly everything I've heard so far sounds like B-sides of other albums, and as far as I've gathered, a lot of the material is just that.

Nightlife is a new and cool sounding song though, really looking forward to listening to the full version!

[Sleeper Agent.]

It's different to what was expected, and that could be conveyed as bad, I don't like the newer stuff, but I have kinda gone off Green Day so yeah, my opinion doesn't really matter to what you all personally think.