Uno! to have "clean" version

[melissawebster]

Bwahaha! That's awesome.

[Bastard of 1967]

Again refer to my post upwards thank you.

Please see my inline edits above.

[WhiteTim]

As far as the youtube goes no idea while youtube's is lax on unedited material they do still have a flag button maybe some dickless fuck got their pantyhose in a bunch and reported it as offensive and all they have is the mtv master of the video (sadly losing masters are suprisingly not that uncommon) ? I can check and ask around next time i'm by the label division's office. (The label and film arent in the same lot).

(Before theories jump out I'm by no means implying the AI masters are missing just saying it could be a reason. )

[gerardsangel4977]

Man, I had so many posts stacked up in my multi-quote thing after reading through this whole thread, it was ridiculous. So, I've decided to say screw it, and just address the most recent of them.

You say the profanity issue is about religion, but then you say you don't like the profanity around your kids even though you're not religious. Do you see the contradiction? The profanity has nothing to do with religion and especially Jesus, at least not from any Christianity I'm aware of. Maybe some weird fringe sect. But it is about parents who don't want their kids exposed to it. I get that.

And I have made it very clear that my stance on the clean versions is about censorship and not about parents exposing their kids to fuck words. I raised my kids without censorship and they never, not even once, repeated inappropriate swear words to me or in public because they heard them on a movie or TV show or in music. They understood the difference between what was okay to say and what was not, and the movies, TV and music didn't affect that. If the kid is too young to make that distinction, then that kid is too young to be listening to the music in the first place. Do you really think a five year old is going to care about Green Day even two months after they hear the music, much less two years? No. Of course not. They will have moved on to some other fad. Ditto for any other kid under the age of twelve.

One of the Ten Commandments states "Thou shalt not use the Lord's name in vain." So when people "curse" by saying things like "Goddammit!" or "Jesus Christ!" that is technically considered a sin, and not just by the "fringe groups". Somewhere along the way, this became expanded into all profane language being considered a sin, albeit many people of faith would rank it as a minor one.....and even then, there's plenty of religious "rules" that people have been ignoring for years, like the whole "no sex before marriage" thing

But I do think, also, that there's a lot of social conditioning that goes into it as well, which is why even people who aren't particularly religious can still care about profane words and images and want to keep these things away from their children (or, in more extreme cases, away from the public, in general), and likewise why people who live in different areas and come from different family backgrounds can be less put off by swearing than others.

Now, as for the censorship debate, my father took the same approach in raising me and my siblings that you took with raising your kids. He refused to buy "clean" versions of albums and had no qualms about playing whatever he pleased in front of us. The same with television. Hell, he didn't even curb his own language in conversation in front of us . And, just like your children, my sisters and I always knew full well which words we were not to repeat and would even censor ourselves whilst singing along, so that we wouldn't get in trouble for saying bad words (picture, if you will, three young girls in the backseat of a car, singing along to Rage Against the Machine's "Killing in the Name Of"....minus all the fucks ) As a result, when and if I have kids of my own, I don't foresee myself taking much care to censor what they listen to either.

That said, I am not in Green Day. Neither is my father....nor are you. Our beliefs regarding censorship are not their beliefs. And I am not just saying that out of speculation: Billie has mentioned in several interviews--from as early as 1995 to as recently as 2009/2010--that he monitors what his own children watch and listen to, including censoring his own language and music around them. Granted, now that the boys are both teenagers, he may be more lax with them, but it doesn't change the fact that he very much has been that kind of parent toward them.

Personally, I was more taken aback when Green Day refused to release a clean version of 21CB because, even though I am against censorship, myself, it didn't make much sense to me that someone who had repeatedly framed himself as that kind of parent would suddenly be pissed off about his own lyrics being edited for the benefit of other parents of other kids. That, in my opinion, was true hypocrisy far more than any instance in which the band have allowed themselves to be censored (and, yes, there have been other times before now). I even said as much at the time, when the story about Green Day vs Walmart was new, and got LOTS of hate for it, so I don't want anyone trying to tell me that I'm defending Green Day for the sake of defending Green Day here because that is so NOT the case.

Now, one could try to make the argument that none of us know what the guys' family lives are really like; Perhaps Billie was just saying those things for PR reasons, to make himself look like more of a responsible family man. Who knows? But since people have been bringing up the idea of Green Day's words needing to line up with their actions, I think it's still a valid point that needs to be addressed--and one which no one has thus far thought to mention. Could it be, perhaps, that Green Day really doesn't care about censorship and that's why they've allowed Parental Advisory stickers to be placed on their albums since 2004 (when they don't, technically, have to) and have likewise released clean versions of some of said albums? Not because they were forced into it by their label or even as a compromise on their values to boost sales, but because they genuinely don't give a flying fuck about having their words bleeped out?

[Heather.]

Love the notion that they were being hypocritical by NOT releasing 21CB censored. Now that's a perspective we didn't have yet and it's fascinating.

[pretty_and_demented]

So what I'm wondering are they just gonna bleep it out or are they going to make different versions of the songs?

[WhiteTim]

So what I'm wondering are they just gonna bleep it out or are they going to make different versions of the songs?

From what I hear recorded lyrics (ie kill the dj)

[Femme Gauche]

From what I hear recorded lyrics (ie kill the dj)

Which intrigues me and makes me very, very curious.

I might just have to buy that fucker >_>.

[karma1215]

Gotta make more kid friendly too... the explicit version can really get into a kids head.

[Femme Gauche]

Gotta make more kid friendly too... the explicit version can really get into a kids head.

It's never going to be kid "friendly"... fucks or not.

[Malleus]

I could never say that kids shouldn't listen to Green Day because I started listening to Green Day, fucks and all, when I was around 7 so I'd be a huge hypocrite if if believed other seven year olds should not get to experience the joy that is their music. I believe the clean versions are definitely for overconcerned parents and not for the kids, because in my opinion it doesn't really make a difference if a little kid hears swears or not. You can't keep 'em pure forever.

[Femme Gauche]

I could never say that kids shouldn't listen to Green Day because I started listening to Green Day, fucks and all, when I was around 7 so I'd be a huge hypocrite if if believed other seven year olds should not get to experience the joy that is their music. I believe the clean versions are definitely for overconcerned parents and not for the kids, because in my opinion it doesn't really make a difference if a little kid hears swears or not. You can't keep 'em pure forever.

Oh I agree, but the term "kid friendly" does not really define them very well. My oldest sister listened to "Rape Me" and "Closer" by NIN (have you heard that song?) when I was 4... I liked the songs; they sounded cool. That's about all that mattered. I never really had any issues distinguishing what was OK to say.

[melissawebster]

Which intrigues me and makes me very, very curious.

I might just have to buy that fucker >_>.

Yeah, not even remotely interested. I'll stick to the real song the way the band originally intended.

[Malleus]

Yeah, not even remotely interested. I'll stick to the real song the way the band originally intended.

Come on... you know you're interested in what the clean version of Fuck Time will sound like. You gottttttta be.

[Femme Gauche]

Yeah, not even remotely interested. I'll stick to the real song the way the band originally intended.

I like to hear how people deal with different challenges .

Come on... you know you're interested in what the clean version of Fuck Time will sound like. You gottttttta be.

Exactly.

[melissawebster]

Come on... you know you're interested in what the clean version of Fuck Time will sound like. You gottttttta be.

Have to admit, that one will be hilarious.

[Fuzz]

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[gerardsangel4977]

Come on... you know you're interested in what the clean version of Fuck Time will sound like. You gottttttta be.

Haha, I definitely am curious to see how they're gonna deal with that. I'll probably end up doing what I did when I was curious about the edited versions of "Vampire Money" by MCR and just find a recording on youtube or tumblr to listen to (and laugh at)

[The Disappearing Boy]

Surely they'll either just bleep words or re-edit the song. Can't see them re-recording it. Anyway, it's not like its the first time they've done this.

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Excellent.

[Sanity Loan]

Best Buy is listing a clean version of American Idiot as well

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/American+Idiot+%5BClean%5D+%5B9/25%5D+-+CD/20601426.p?id=2583648&skuId=20601426&st=Green%20day&lp=7&cp=1

[Bastard of 1967]

Have to admit, that one will be hilarious.

I'd thought "oh baby baby it's funk time" would work well on a whole bunch of levels.

[WhiteTim]

Surely they'll either just bleep words or re-edit the song. Can't see them re-recording it. Anyway, it's not like its the first time they've done this.

Excellent.

They just recorded a clean cuss or another word where the cuss at like they did with kill the dj

[melissawebster]

Best Buy is listing a clean version of American Idiot as well

http://www.bestbuy.c...n day&lp=7&cp=1

Can't say I didn't see that one coming. :angry :angry :angry

I'd thought "oh baby baby it's funk time" would work well on a whole bunch of levels.

Oh baby, baby, it's fudge time! Yeah, let's go make some fudge. Tastes so good. Mmmm...

[Sanity Loan]

Can't say I didn't see that one coming. :angry :angry :angry

I'm kind of happy

[melissawebster]

I'm kind of happy

Of course you are. American Idiot was an admonishment of the Bush administration and conservative, religious politics. Now it isn't. Score one for the politically correct brigade. Congratulations!