Blond-O-Sonic Shimmer Trap Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 You know why I'm criticizing them? Because no one else seems to be pointing this stuff out. So what if I'm criticizing to criticize? Isn't everything I have said so far true? I'm not pulling anything out of my ass, I'm being honest and speaking my mind. I'm sooo sorry that I'm not Generic Green Day Fan #735 and posting comment likes "Green Day is so amazing!" constantly. I'm a fan, but I'm not a fanboy. Agree, the worst instance of recycling for me is Let Yourself Go, they might have changed it a bit for the album but the Austin version is just Maria all over again. FWIW having heard a few of the live songs I'm way more excited than I thought I'd be for these releases but that doesn't mean I haven't noticed bad points or bad songs.
WrongWayToSalvation Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 What you should do is wait till January to listen to all three albums. Pick your favorites from albums, delete the rest, pretend the ones you kept all just one album, and sit in your room thinking Green Day just made the most amazing album of their career and how much you love 100% of the songs. They wrote 37 songs. If they've started to really recycle past stuff NOW then imagine what it'll be like on the next album. Kill the DJ has absolutely new sound, but still people say that they miss "old Green Day". When they hear 99 Revolutions, they say that this one is too similar to "old Green Day"... I don't fucking understand what the hell they want from these guys? Magic? I love it when Green Day does something different. I'm not a close minded when it comes to music. I listen to Rock, Rap, Funk, R&B, Industrial, Classical, Reggae, Electronica, and Progressive. And it has more to do with it sounding just like a song then it does a sound itself. Old GD sound is fast, upbeat and simple. 99 Revolutions sounds like that yes, but it also sounds like other SONGS. Like a mix between Too Much Too Soon and Ha Ha You're Dead. That's where the criticisms come from. It sounds like a specific song, or songs. Agree, the worst instance of recycling for me is Let Yourself Go, they might have changed it a bit for the album but the Austin version is just Maria all over again. FWIW having heard a few of the live songs I'm way more excited than I thought I'd be for these releases but that doesn't mean I haven't noticed bad points or bad songs. The newest version from Echoplex sounds bit different from the Austin version, so it isn't as similar to Maria.
Maddy. Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 I'm just happy they're releasing new stuff and I will say being biased and all that everything I've heard so far is gr8 because well it's still Green Day's sound, it's still them. Every piece of music they make has something that makes it quintessentially Green Day and that's something that I love the most about this band. It's impossible to create new melodies and not accidentally fall back on something that you thought of before and unconsciously incorporating that into your music. Also I like recognising small parts of songs in others. Like everything's connected.
Fuzz Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 They wrote 37 songs. If they've started to really recycle past stuff NOW then imagine what it'll be like on the next album. Because no other Green Day songs have ever sounded similar in the past? Yup, guess they're all out of ideas then. Time to just hang-up the guitar.
sampy Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 Yup, they're out of ideas. Now Billie can just be that pool cleaner guy for One Direction's guys, they're so fresh and young and full of new energy. Green Day's so 2000-and-late
WrongWayToSalvation Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 Because no other Green Day songs have ever sounded similar in the past? Yup, guess they're all out of ideas then. Time to just hang-up the guitar. I said REALLY. As in their doing it a lot more than usual. They've done it in the past, but it seems a lot more apparent now.
pretty_and_demented Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 I think the new albums are kind of like the style from all the different era's mashed up and spit out into this trilogy. To me, this isn't a bad thing, I actually think it's really good.
WrongWayToSalvation Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 What's funny is that some of you say that it's fine that Green Day is using stuff that's very similar to not only past stuff of theirs, but of other artists. Like how the main riff of Carpe Diem sounds similar to I Fought The Law. You seem cool with that. But, theoretically what if a music artist, such as Justin Bieber, released a more rock influenced song that's main riff sounded similar to the American Idiot riff? I bet a lot of people would be all over that and call JB a rip off artist and everything. There would probably be an entire discussion section for it. But that would be hypocritical. Why would it ok for one artist/band to do something, but not another one? What I'm basically saying is, if you're willing to forgive GD for this, then you better be willing to forgive every other music artist that have made songs that sounded similar, or had similar aspects in it that were found in other songs.
redline punk Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 his voice(BJA) had to sound like this in every song
WrongWayToSalvation Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 I think the new albums are kind of like the style from all the different era's mashed up and spit out into this trilogy. To me, this isn't a bad thing, I actually think it's really good. Agh, you're all missing the point! I'm not saying it's bad that GD is going with more of their older vibe, I'm talking about how they're reusing melodies of particular songs again. Not a vibe/sound. At least put a spin on the melody if you're gonna use it again, sing it differently, warp it little, instead of having it be the EXACT SAME.
Mellow Dramatic Jeff Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 When a band has a sound, there is always going to be simliar sounds. It's the same band. They've been around for over 25 years. If you listen that hard to find things you don't like, that's your problem.
WrongWayToSalvation Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 his voice(BJA) had to sound like this in every song I'm not talking about his voice. I'm talking about the melody. You know, one of the defining characteristics of a song that separates it from others? When a band has a sound, there is always going to be simliar sounds. It's the same band. They've been around for over 25 years. If you listen that hard to find things you don't like, that's your problem. Then how do other bands go years and years without having songs similar? Green Day started reusing melodies since the almost the beginning. Look at Insomniac. Tight Wad Hill's verses sound like In The End and its chorus sounds like Sassafras Roots. I'm not "listening hard". It's very apparent. I've heard all of GD's albums a lot, so I'm going to notice similarities.
Heather. Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 I don't mind similarities that much, even blatant ones. I liked the song the first time, and I'll like it even more the second time with different lyrics and slightly different musical arrangements. As long as we're still getting fantastically original songs that sound NOTHING like any previous Green Day song (Kill the DJ), I can still love 99 Revolutions too.
gdpony Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 Just listened to the song, I like it, it definitely sounds like a song that could've been part of Warning. I'm loving how each of the songs we've heard so far are so different from each other.
Blond-O-Sonic Shimmer Trap Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 When a band has a sound, there is always going to be simliar sounds. It's the same band. They've been around for over 25 years. If you listen that hard to find things you don't like, that's your problem. The Beatles and Radiohead both managed it. Then again they are the two greatest bands of all time. It seems like people are afraid of acknowledging that Green Day rehash some stuff, but to me it's simple, a band hugely influenced by The Ramones isn't necessarily going to prioritise creating something 100% original and distinctive every time, over keeping it simple and catchy.
redline punk Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 I'm not talking about his voice. I'm talking about the melody. You know, one of the defining characteristics of a song that separates it from others? ps: i haven't spoken to you mf
21stcenturyidiot Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 I'm not talking about his voice. I'm talking about the melody. You know, one of the defining characteristics of a song that separates it from others? Then how do other bands go years and years without having songs similar? Green Day started reusing melodies since the almost the beginning. Look at Insomniac. Tight Wad Hill's verses sound like In The End and its chorus sounds like Sassafras Roots. I'm not "listening hard". It's very apparent. I've heard all of GD's albums a lot, so I'm going to notice similarities. I've heard all of their albums too and I REALLY don't get these similarities. I swear I don't hear the similarities in the new stuff to the likes of Maria, Suffocate and I don't hear In the End in Tight Wad hill
pretty_and_demented Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 You could cut the tension on this thread with a knife. sexual tension
jacknovella Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 Some people are never satisfied are they? Yes, some songs sound very similar to others. Who fucking cares? Each and every song the band has ever written has it's own individual meaning and sound, regardless of any similarities or throwbacks to earlier songs. That's all there is to it. I feel sorry for the people that are obsessing over this, because you're only holding yourself back from being able to appreciate these new songs for the fucking amazing pieces of art that they truly are.
NGDP Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 Some people are never satisfied are they? Yes, some songs sound very similar to others. Who fucking cares? Each and every song the band has ever written has it's own individual meaning and sound, regardless of any similarities or throwbacks to earlier songs. That's all there is to it. I feel sorry for the people that are obsessing over this, because you're only holding yourself back from being able to appreciate these new songs for the fucking amazing pieces of art that they truly are. Come on, the main person citing these similarities isn't even being harsh about it. I am a huge Green Day fan and a huge fan of most of their new stuff but to me it's very clear that Green Day need to put more work into their songs so they don't sound so similar. At least some of them, like there were two carbon copy melodies on the last album and two or three ALREADY really apparent ones. Also, just because your favourite band releases a song doesn't make it automatically a "fucking amazing piece of art". Especially considering these songs are the most simplistic (lyrically and structurally) since the likes of 39/smooth and Kerplunk but in a more obnoxious way.
Blond-O-Sonic Shimmer Trap Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 I feel sorry for the people that are obsessing over this, because you're only holding yourself back from being able to appreciate these new songs for the fucking amazing pieces of art that they truly are. Nah, we're being fed titbits of what the albums will sound like. People over analyse at times like this, when there are only bits and pieces and the full thing isn't right in front of us. You get ridiculous opinions at both ends of the spectrum "this is going to be my favourite song ever (despite not having heard it)" "this is the worst thing they've ever put out" etc. The people I feel sorry for are those who can't look at things objectively, who can't take the fanboy/girl glasses off. With every band who puts out a new album, you have to start from scratch as though it's the first time you've heard them. What would be the challenge for a band to put out stuff they know people will lap up and what is the point of listening to new music you're already pre-disposed to having a certain opinion of?
jacknovella Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 Come on, the main person citing these similarities isn't even being harsh about it. I am a huge Green Day fan and a huge fan of most of their new stuff but to me it's very clear that Green Day need to put more work into their songs so they don't sound so similar. At least some of them, like there were two carbon copy melodies on the last album and two or three ALREADY really apparent ones. Also, just because your favourite band releases a song doesn't make it automatically a "fucking amazing piece of art". Especially considering these songs are the most simplistic (lyrically and structurally) since the likes of 39/smooth and Kerplunk but in a more obnoxious way. I know it doesn't automatically make it a "fucking amazing piece of art" - but in my opinion they are, I'm absolutely happy in every way with what I've heard so far I'd like to see anyone who has an issue with these similarities keep a band going for over 20 years putting out hugely successful albums throughout that time keeping every single song entirely original. Everyone has opinions about the songs, that's a given, sometimes it's better just to focus on the positives and not the negatives Enjoy it for what it is
ChelseaDagger Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 As promised 2 versions in the movie they interrupt after first verse with movie dialouge so first is full second edites without the dialouge 99 Revolution (full with movie dialouge) http://www.sharebeast.com/oub2fejcmyu6 99 Revolution (edited no dialouge) http://www.sharebeast.com/ca6zf6nq7w6o Thanks for posting!!! Now I don't have to go to the movie tonight LOL
jacknovella Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 Nah, we're being fed titbits of what the albums will sound like. People over analyse at times like this, when there are only bits and pieces and the full thing isn't right in front of us. You get ridiculous opinions at both ends of the spectrum "this is going to be my favourite song ever (despite not having heard it)" "this is the worst thing they've ever put out" etc. The people I feel sorry for are those who can't look at things objectively, who can't take the fanboy/girl glasses off. With every band who puts out a new album, you have to start from scratch as though it's the first time you've heard them. What would be the challenge for a band to put out stuff they know people will lap up and what is the point of listening to new music you're already pre-disposed to having a certain opinion of? It has nothing to do with fanboy/girl glasses - maybe we've heard the full songs from the secret shows and genuinely love them for what they are? Generally you become a fan of a band because you appreciate the music they make and the kind of sound they produce. I agree with you that a lot of people just have this pre-determined ideology that everything is going to be amazing just because it's Green Day, and they can't look at things objectively - but what I'm saying is I do notice the similarities, but it honestly doesn't bother me The similarities are so trivial it's not even worth thinking about. And remember, it's Green Day. They'll continue to make the music THEY want to make, regardless of any nay-sayers who have a problem with it.
WrongWayToSalvation Posted August 10, 2012 Posted August 10, 2012 It has nothing to do with fanboy/girl glasses - maybe we've heard the full songs from the secret shows and genuinely love them for what they are? Generally you become a fan of a band because you appreciate the music they make and the kind of sound they produce. I agree with you that a lot of people just have this pre-determined ideology that everything is going to be amazing just because it's Green Day, and they can't look at things objectively - but what I'm saying is I do notice the similarities, but it honestly doesn't bother me The similarities are so trivial it's not even worth thinking about. And remember, it's Green Day. They'll continue to make the music THEY want to make, regardless of any nay-sayers who have a problem with it. Saying a song is a "fucking amazing pieces of art" sounds very fanboyish to me. That's hyperbolic as hell.
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