Kerplunk!!! Posted July 31, 2013 Posted July 31, 2013 I'm not sure, to me Shoplifter sounds like it was wrote around the time of warning. If C&V had of got it's release I reckon shoplifter was intended for it?
Sarcasm Posted July 31, 2013 Posted July 31, 2013 Except that C&V wasn't stolen someone stole the hard drive that the tracks was on. so that sucks. I'm gonna go ahead and merge this to the C&V topic now.
Cris. Posted August 1, 2013 Posted August 1, 2013 someone stole the hard drive that the tracks was on. so that sucks. I'm gonna go ahead and merge this to the C&V topic now. C&V so wasn't stolen. Even the article that wikipedia quotes on that toys with the idea that it wasn't stolen: " Some argue that they were not stolen, but actually scrapped in lieu of a more political bent, to capitalize on the upcoming 2004 elections. After 12 millions albums sold, no one really wants to hear the originals anyway." Either way, I doubt Shoplifter is about C&V being stolen, it sounds too... "cheerful" for a song about someone stealing their album, I'd guess Billie Joe would be pissed as fuck and write something more along the lines of Platypus.
WhiteTim Posted August 1, 2013 Posted August 1, 2013 someone stole the hard drive that the tracks was on. so that sucks. I'm gonna go ahead and merge this to the C&V topic now. Supposedly.... Seeing it was supposedly recorded at Oceanway theres no way it was stolen as they check everyone before they buzz you in or out
Sarcasm Posted August 1, 2013 Posted August 1, 2013 C&V so wasn't stolen. Even the article that wikipedia quotes on that toys with the idea that it wasn't stolen: " Some argue that they were not stolen, but actually scrapped in lieu of a more political bent, to capitalize on the upcoming 2004 elections. After 12 millions albums sold, no one really wants to hear the originals anyway." Either way, I doubt Shoplifter is about C&V being stolen, it sounds too... "cheerful" for a song about someone stealing their album, I'd guess Billie Joe would be pissed as fuck and write something more along the lines of Platypus. Supposedly....Seeing it was supposedly recorded at Oceanway theres no way it was stolen as they check everyone before they buzz you in or outI still believe some pissy sound engineer took the drive home in his underwear one fateful night.
Cris. Posted August 1, 2013 Posted August 1, 2013 In many years from now, when most band members have died and there's no longer Green Day, there will still be some hardcore fans in a Green Day forum debating whether Cigarettes and Valentines was stolen or not. And I will probably be a part of it I can see that happening so clearly in my mind.
WhiteTim Posted August 1, 2013 Posted August 1, 2013 I still believe some pissy sound engineer took the drive home in his underwear one fateful night. Oceanway has cameras set up in every room no engineers have access to the security room they'd know who took it everyone from artists to employees gets searched before leaving... Im not saying its impossible but it is hard as fuck to do
Sarcasm Posted August 1, 2013 Posted August 1, 2013 Oceanway has cameras set up in every room no engineers have access to the security room they'd know who took it everyone from artists to employees gets searched before leaving...Im not saying its impossible but it is hard as fuck to doyou're taking the mystery away by being logical you douche
Awesompawsome Posted August 1, 2013 Posted August 1, 2013 The Heart Like A Handgrenade crew said in an interview that they witnessed the creation of multiple albums during the time that they filmed Green Day in the studio. They said they saw the creation of a Christmas album, a new wave album, a punk record, and finally what would became American Idiot. Well fuck now I want to see HLAHG, and a Christmas album would be amazing
Todd Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 Well fuck now I want to see HLAHG, and a Christmas album would be amazing What if it was called "(Red and) Green Day"?
Jon Benjamin Posted June 21, 2014 Posted June 21, 2014 I just found this. Apparently they had 42 songs and Billie was stoked on 8. I've always heard it was about 20 songs, but 42? Damn. http://web.archive.org/web/20030806115508/http://www.undercover.com.au/news/2003/20030624_greenday.html
Bastard of 1969 Posted June 21, 2014 Posted June 21, 2014 I just found this. Apparently they had 42 songs and Billie was stoked on 8. I've always heard it was about 20 songs, but 42? Damn. Where did you read that?
walking_c0ntradicti0n Posted June 21, 2014 Posted June 21, 2014 If the master tapes were stolen they would probably leak the songs or something. makes sense why no one believes the story.
KGLWW Posted June 21, 2014 Posted June 21, 2014 The more I think about it the more I think that once they wrote american idiot the song, they knew they had to release one or the other. Cigarettes and Valentines the song and it's lyrics makes me think that were thinking this maybe their last album. "Let us paralyze this moment till it dies", and "There's a car crashing deep inside my heart", seem rather unambitious. They were also recording a lot of leftovers from the very early days and kind of unloading the catalogue and just writing some songs around those from what I gather. What I'm saying is warning to C&V to american idiot doesn't seem like an honest transition as far we know. They thought they didn't have many songs left and were somewhat uninspired so they prolly just said why not go out with most of our integrity. Things changed tho when they wrote favorite son for rock against bush. They felt inspired and part of something again. That's my guess at least.
The Disappearing Boy Posted June 21, 2014 Posted June 21, 2014 I kinda reckon the label stopped them releasing it. I'm sure I read an article recently explaining that.
Todd Posted June 21, 2014 Posted June 21, 2014 The more I think about it the more I think that once they wrote american idiot the song, they knew they had to release one or the other. Cigarettes and Valentines the song and it's lyrics makes me think that were thinking this maybe their last album. "Let us paralyze this moment till it dies", and "There's a car crashing deep inside my heart", seem rather unambitious. They were also recording a lot of leftovers from the very early days and kind of unloading the catalogue and just writing some songs around those from what I gather. What I'm saying is warning to C&V to american idiot doesn't seem like an honest transition as far we know. They thought they didn't have many songs left and were somewhat uninspired so they prolly just said why not go out with most of our integrity. Things changed tho when they wrote favorite son for rock against bush. They felt inspired and part of something again. That's my guess at least. They weren't recording leftovers from the early days. They were recording all new songs, i have never seen any interview that they said they were recording leftovers.
JOE THE X-KID Posted June 21, 2014 Posted June 21, 2014 Plot twist: the trilogy is Cigarettes and Valentines
Hammie Stein Posted June 21, 2014 Posted June 21, 2014 Plot twist: the trilogy is Cigarettes and Valentines That would be the best plot twist ever...
KGLWW Posted June 21, 2014 Posted June 21, 2014 They weren't recording leftovers from the early days. They were recording all new songs, i have never seen any interview that they said they were recording leftovers. I don't know for sure whether they were but supposedly they were at least recording world vs world/what about today or whatever that song's title is now. That's what fans were initially calling it anyway. Just a rumor really. I probably could have worded it better sorry. I doubt any of them if they were trying to record them were ever on the final tracklist. I guess i was just hopeful that they had recorded more of their oldest songs. At least to know what the lyrics are anyway
WhiteTim Posted June 21, 2014 Posted June 21, 2014 They recorded the album didn't like it so they claim it was stolen from a secured studio and re started and did American Idiot
KGLWW Posted June 21, 2014 Posted June 21, 2014 They recorded the album didn't like it so they claim it was stolen from a secured studio and re started and did American Idiot Yeah I mean i think the stolen thing was just a joke. They talked a lot about Homecoming and American Idiot as being reasons they decided to go in another direction.
Sauli Posted June 21, 2014 Posted June 21, 2014 Plot twist: the trilogy is Cigarettes and Valentines that explains why it was originally rejected
Todd Posted June 22, 2014 Posted June 22, 2014 I don't know for sure whether they were but supposedly they were at least recording world vs world/what about today or whatever that song's title is now. That's what fans were initially calling it anyway. Just a rumor really. I probably could have worded it better sorry. I doubt any of them if they were trying to record them were ever on the final tracklist. I guess i was just hopeful that they had recorded more of their oldest songs. At least to know what the lyrics are anyway Those are two different songs, What About Today was probably a Cigarettes & Valentines song, and it was posted on Green Day.com in 2001, so it wasn't an old song. World vs World is a song from 1989 that there are only 3 live recordings of What About Today: https://soundcloud.com/todd409/green-day-what-about-today World Vs. World: www.youtube.com/watch?v=isIxyfUYvAM
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