Where would Green Day be if Cigarettes and Valentines wasn't stolen?

[Marlee]

Can we change the title to "Stolen" (With quotations)

haha good point

[green day is]

The 2004 tour program shows the list of songs they recorded inside the studio during the recording sessions for American Idiot, including the intro that they scrapped. Billie Joe even said somewhere that they recorded all the songs in order, except for "When It's Time" which was done separately with Rob Cavallo. Favorite Son has a different mix and overall sound that differs from the American Idiot album. And if you read the lyrics to the song, it isn't specifically about Bush although it can be interpreted that way. If it is about Bush, that doesn't necessarily mean it has to be from American Idiot since he was in office when they recorded C&V, so it could still be about Bush and not be from the American Idiot recording sessions.

All you have to do is read the studio personnel credits. If they were all recorded at the same time, they should all be the same, right? All the Dookie, Insomniac, and Nimrod B-Sides have the same credits as their respective albums, Warning does not because they were recorded during a separate session at Catbox studios. The credits for American Idiot (minus the producer for Favorite Son) and the 21CBD B-sides were fully recorded at Studio 880 in Oakland, while the albums themselves were mostly recorded at Ocean Way Studios in LA.

Call BS all you want, but the credits don't lie. Perhaps they aren't from C&V, they could have recorded the songs for simply no reason other than because they were written and wanted to have them on record.

I didn't say Favorite Son was from AI, I said it was for the Rock Against Bush compilation. It was written for that and nothing else.

What is this 2004 Tour Program you speak of? Link? What intro? What are you talking about?

When it's Time was written WAY before AI. It's just now been pulled out again. Billie said so.

B-sides don't have to be recorded at the same time as the album, but you do have some of the best points I've ever witnessed for B-sides to have been from C&V, and you are almost making me believe it myself. At first I was like, "Meh, citation needed" but now it's more like, "Hm, that's really interesting".

*Runs off to check credits himself*

[solongfromthestars]

I think they'd still have written American Idiot. They weren't happy with C&V. If they really were stolen I guess that maybe made AI a bit more powerful. But I think they'd still be where they are now.

[Ilda_25]

Just a stupid question: if it was stolen, why they didn't make a new one with the same songs? I don't believe that at that time they wouldn't remeber at least some of the songs that were on that CD....

[Insomniac186]

I didn't say Favorite Son was from AI, I said it was for the Rock Against Bush compilation. It was written for that and nothing else.

What is this 2004 Tour Program you speak of? Link? What intro? What are you talking about?

When it's Time was written WAY before AI. It's just now been pulled out again. Billie said so.

B-sides don't have to be recorded at the same time as the album, but you do have some of the best points I've ever witnessed for B-sides to have been from C&V, and you are almost making me believe it myself. At first I was like, "Meh, citation needed" but now it's more like, "Hm, that's really interesting".

*Runs off to check credits himself*

I will scan the 2004 tour program when I get home from work this evening so you can see.

Just a stupid question: if it was stolen, why they didn't make a new one with the same songs? I don't believe that at that time they wouldn't remeber at least some of the songs that were on that CD....

Because around the time the tapes were "stolen" Billie Joe had just written the American Idiot song and they decided to go in a new direction instead of re-recording everything.

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

The 2004 tour program shows the list of songs they recorded inside the studio during the recording sessions for American Idiot, including the intro that they scrapped.

Tour program... you mean that thing that shows up in some video? That also has Clusterbomb as the name for Letterbomb? Pretty sure that's just the intro they used in the AI tour that you also hear in AI, with the trumpets and stuff. Or I'm confusing it with something else, sorry if that's the case.

[Lampostc]

If C&V wasn't "stolen" and American Idiot wasn't realised I doubt I would have ever heard of them. I only ever heard songs off AI on the radio and that really was my only introduction to Green Day. So I'm happy that they changes their minds/master copy got stolen

Just a stupid question: if it was stolen, why they didn't make a new one with the same songs? I don't believe that at that time they wouldn't remeber at least some of the songs that were on that CD....

Supposedly they just didnt want to record them all again.. they just wanted to move on from it all

[Ilda_25]

Supposedly they just didnt want to record them all again.. they just wanted to move on from it all

It doesn't make much sense for me...

[Salmonator.]

I agree with Andres, we'll never know the quality of what was on there. Obviously they wouldn't be as popular as they are today,

but I'm sure they would have gotten to American Idiot some how over the years. :/

It doesn't make much sense for me...

I believe I read somewhere that they asked themselves if this was the best work they could do, and obviously they said no and decided to start over instead of recording all those songs that they weren't too content with.

[green day is]

What is this tour program? Is it a setlist? I'm confused.

[Insomniac186]

For those that don't know, a tour program is a booklet that has artwork, pictures, info, and dates for the entire tour inside. It's just a neat little souvenir. Here is a picture inside the 2004 tour program from the studio when the band was recording AI. It shows "Welcome", an intro for the album that was scrapped. It also shows St. Jimmy as two parts, and "Clusterbomb" which was the working title for Letterbomb. Notice none of the AI B-Sides were being recorded, just the album tracks.

About the the 2004 tour itself, Sugarcult and New Found Glory opened. I saw them on November 24, 2004 at the Bill Grahm Civic Center in San Francisco, CA.

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

nvm

[green day is]

For those that don't know, a tour program is a booklet that has artwork, pictures, info, and dates for the entire tour inside. It's just a neat little souvenir. Here is a picture inside the 2004 tour program from the studio when the band was recording AI. It shows "Welcome", an intro for the album that was scrapped. It also shows St. Jimmy as two parts, and "Clusterbomb" which was the working title for Letterbomb. Notice none of the AI B-Sides were being recorded, just the album tracks.

About the the 2004 tour itself, Sugarcult and New Found Glory opened. I saw them on November 24, 2004 at the Bill Grahm Civic Center in San Francisco, CA.

I'm pretty sure "Welcome" was probably more of a "Hey, welcome to the show, thanks for coming" unless they actually played something there. You make it kind of hard to tell.

On BIAB, Are we the Waiting was introduced as "Saint Jimmy" so yeah, it probably was originally a two-part song. Lots of people consider them transitional too.

Clusterbomb is a weird name. That's all I have to say.

You forgot to mention that Give me Novocaine is just called "Novocaine", East 12th St. is referenced as "Nobody Cares" JoS is referenced as just "Jesus" We're Coming Home Again is referenced as "We're Coming Home" and WMUWSE is referenced as "Wake me Up". Some of these could just be shortenings, but who knows.

Where do you get these? Did they give them out at the shows, or what?

Also, would you be able to scan the rest of the program and post it somewhere (not here, because that would be pretty off-topic).

But anyway, why would the B-Sides be on it? And what do you mean "recorded", isn't this supposed to be the set-list for a show?

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

I'm pretty sure "Welcome" was probably more of a "Hey, welcome to the show, thanks for coming" unless they actually played something there. You make it kind of hard to tell.

On BIAB, Are we the Waiting was introduced as "Saint Jimmy" so yeah, it probably was originally a two-part song. Lots of people consider them transitional too.

Clusterbomb is a weird name. That's all I have to say.

You forgot to mention that Give me Novocaine is just called "Novocaine", East 12th St. is referenced as "Nobody Cares" JoS is referenced as just "Jesus" We're Coming Home Again is referenced as "We're Coming Home" and WMUWSE is referenced as "Wake me Up". Some of these could just be shortenings, but who knows.

Where do you get these? Did they give them out at the shows, or what?

Also, would you be able to scan the rest of the program and post it somewhere (not here, because that would be pretty off-topic).

But anyway, why would the B-Sides be on it? And what do you mean "recorded", isn't this supposed to be the set-list for a show?

You just posted exactly what I posted, then edited into nvm because I realized that: I think that picture posted is (supposed to be) not a setlist of a show, but a picture of the 'recording program' or whatever it's called in the studio when they were recording American Idiot.

That same pictures also shows up in some video about the recording of American Idiot. I just wish I could remember which video, so I could check whether it was really a recording program or just a setlist for a show (because in the videos about the recording of AI is also often included the first show where they played the album for the first time).

So, that pictures supports his theory because it shows that the B-sides weren't recorded in the same process the rest of the album was recorded in.

I would also like to see the rest of that program, btw

[green day is]

You just posted exactly what I posted, then edited into nvm because I realized that: I think that picture posted is (supposed to be) not a setlist of a show, but a picture of the 'recording program' or whatever it's called in the studio when they were recording American Idiot.

That same pictures also shows up in some video about the recording of American Idiot. I just wish I could remember which video, so I could check whether it was really a recording program or just a setlist for a show (because in the videos about the recording of AI is also often included the first show where they played the album for the first time).

So, that pictures supports his theory because it shows that the B-sides weren't recorded in the same process the rest of the album was recorded in.

I would also like to see the rest of that program, btw

Oooohhhh

I see now. Well that's still pretty cool, but B-sides don't necessarily have to be recorded at the same time. They aren't always out-takes.

I really enjoyed seeing the working titles though. GDA should have a section for working titles.

[Insomniac186]

I'm pretty sure "Welcome" was probably more of a "Hey, welcome to the show, thanks for coming" unless they actually played something there. You make it kind of hard to tell.

On BIAB, Are we the Waiting was introduced as "Saint Jimmy" so yeah, it probably was originally a two-part song. Lots of people consider them transitional too.

Clusterbomb is a weird name. That's all I have to say.

You forgot to mention that Give me Novocaine is just called "Novocaine", East 12th St. is referenced as "Nobody Cares" JoS is referenced as just "Jesus" We're Coming Home Again is referenced as "We're Coming Home" and WMUWSE is referenced as "Wake me Up". Some of these could just be shortenings, but who knows.

Where do you get these? Did they give them out at the shows, or what?

Also, would you be able to scan the rest of the program and post it somewhere (not here, because that would be pretty off-topic).

But anyway, why would the B-Sides be on it? And what do you mean "recorded", isn't this supposed to be the set-list for a show?

It isn't a set list. It's a photo of them inside the studio recording the album. I'm just saying that IF the B-sides were outtakes from the album, they would be on that list. It's just photographic evidence to try and prove my case. The tour program is full of pictures of them in the studio working on recording the album. But anyway, tour programs are always sold at concerts. I can try and scan mine this weekend and find a place to post it. It's pretty big (height wise) so it might take a while.

[green day is]

It isn't a set list. It's a photo of them inside the studio recording the album. I'm just saying that IF the B-sides were outtakes from the album, they would be on that list. It's just photographic evidence to try and prove my case. The tour program is full of pictures of them in the studio working on recording the album. But anyway, tour programs are always sold at concerts. I can try and scan mine this weekend and find a place to post it. It's pretty big (height wise) so it might take a while.

So this specific part is, like, a picture of something they used to remember what songs to play while recording the album?

[Insomniac186]

So this specific part is, like, a picture of something they used to remember what songs to play while recording the album?

It's simply a chart that shows what songs are being recorded and what they need in order to be completely finished. A band doesn't record an entire song all at once. Different parts can be recorded at different times. By the looks of it, the songs were mostly completed and just needed some guitar overdubs. Sorry if the studio lingo is confusing.

[green day is]

It's simply a chart that shows what songs are being recorded and what they need in order to be completely finished. A band doesn't record an entire song all at once. Different parts can be recorded at different times. By the looks of it, the songs were mostly completed and just needed some guitar overdubs. Sorry if the studio lingo is confusing.

Huh. That's pretty cool. I liked seeing the working titles, thanks for posting that.

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

Oooohhhh

I see now. Well that's still pretty cool, but B-sides don't necessarily have to be recorded at the same time. They aren't always out-takes.

I really enjoyed seeing the working titles though. GDA should have a section for working titles.

Yeah, I know. And I think it's still an out-take if it was written or considered for the album, but decided not to put in there. So then b-sides can still be out-takes even if they were not recorded with the album. But anyway.

Yeah, that would be cool. But there aren't that many working titles available, are there? Also because those titles there could just as well be shortenings. On actual tour setlists some songs are also shortened.

[green day is]

Yeah, I know. And I think it's still an out-take if it was written or considered for the album, but decided not to put in there. So then b-sides can still be out-takes even if they were not recorded with the album. But anyway.

Yeah, that would be cool. But there aren't that many working titles available, are there? Also because those titles there could just as well be shortenings. On actual tour setlists some songs are also shortened.

I said that. But "No One Cares" can't just be a shortening, so that's pretty awesome.

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

I said that. But "No One Cares" can't just be a shortening, so that's pretty awesome.

Yeah, but I meant like that it can still be an out-take even if it's not recorded at the same time. But never mind, was just nitpicking on defenitions from my part.

Yeah, that's cool. And that AWTW/St. Jimmy were originally one song.

[green day is]

Yeah, but I meant like that it can still be an out-take even if it's not recorded at the same time. But never mind, was just nitpicking on defenitions from my part.

Yeah, that's cool. And that AWTW/St. Jimmy were originally one song.

I know what you meant, I meant that I already said some of them could be shortenings.

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

I know what you meant, I meant that I already said some of them could be shortenings.

Oohhhhh... okay. *facepalm at self*

[GDOBSSOR]

Such a question (I"m new to the topic). Who knows what C & V sounds like, but I think that if it had been produced, it would have been just as good as the other albums but not better. That's the difference between American Idiot and the other albums; it stands out and contains new ideas. The Green Day albums are all excellent, but only two stand out like this, and those are Dookie and American Idiot (as well as their earlier stuff).