Where would Green Day be if Cigarettes and Valentines wasn't stolen?

[ThisIsNotNora]

I really wonder if they had released American Idiot and C&V??

That'd be really cool, though

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

(answering in bits for the sake of it being clear)

Y'know, because the whole band got together and left a phone unhooked while they played. Right. They sound like the band got in a studio, all together, and recorded a couple of songs with everyone in the same room, no mixing, but those were not recorded onto a phone, like the others.

No, of course they didn't accidentally leave a phone unhooked, I'm not saying that, but just because there is a recording of something, doesn't immediately make it a demo. It makes it a recording of a song, nothing more than that.

Who cares what kind of demo What About Today sounds like? How do you even know that when we can hardly understand any of it? And if you can understand it, PM me the lyrics NAO.

You don't have to understand the lyrics in order to make up your mind about whether you think it sounds like a Green Day song or a Network song.

As for Minnesota Girl, all I have to say is that Good Riddance was written in Kerplunk! times and released on nimrod.

That only confirms that the time of release of a song doesn't mean the song was written for the album it was released on (or in this case, the period of time it was released in), which was my exact point.

On another note, Dreamcatcher was on a soundtrack? Like, a studio version? Mind pointing me to it?

Sorry, I meant 'soundcheck', typo. I accidentally typed soundtrack because the words sound very similar.

[Martyn]

No question in my mind that the whole story was a concerted effort. From the beginning.

Agreed,

I really don't think it was stolen. If it was, whoever stole it would have posted at least a few seconds, or a whole song of some sort of quality in the many years that have passed since.

[Margo 39 smooth]

I DONT THINK IT EVER EXISISTED! but if "C+V" actually came out it would be good, cause hey, anything Green Day writes is good. well great for that matter.

[PleasedToMeetMe]

Im guessing it would have been in the vein of songs like 'Ha Ha You're Dead' and 'Too Much, Too Soon'. At the time I was expecting them to release it on Adeline and was kind of under the impression they were gonna go indie, but after reading into it over the years it seems the label was definatly satisfied with what they heard so it's hard to say. I think something along the lines of American Idiot would have happened eventually though, just not the way it happened.

But then again . . I have a hard time believing it exsited too, cuz the band always changes their story and when people talk about it, especially that dude that owns 880, they have that look in their eyes like they're going along with the gag . . kind of like The Network.

[green day is]

(answering in bits for the sake of it being clear) Me too.

No, of course they didn't accidentally leave a phone unhooked, I'm not saying that, but just because there is a recording of something, doesn't immediately make it a demo. It makes it a recording of a song, nothing more than that.

I didn't mean they left it accidentally unhooked, but it definitely wasn't recorded by a phone. It's doubtful it was even recorded in a studio, but definitely not a phone.

You don't have to understand the lyrics in order to make up your mind about whether you think it sounds like a Green Day song or a Network song.

Point Taken.

That only confirms that the time of release of a song doesn't mean the song was written for the album it was released on (or in this case, the period of time it was released in), which was my exact point.

But does it not prove it more likely? I mean, most songs on albums are written at the time they're working on the album, don't you agree?

Sorry, I meant 'soundcheck', typo. I accidentally typed soundtrack because the words sound very similar.

I thought you might have meant that, but I figured I'd ask anyway. Hopefully we get a studio version though, because I really liked that song. That and Olivia, and I guess Stay the Night as well, but I'd rather have Olivia and Dreamcatcher.

[Nuclear Winter]

I DONT THINK IT EVER EXISISTED! but if "C+V" actually came out it would be good, cause hey, anything Green Day writes is good. well great for that matter.

Conspiracy theories are no good. even though it makes sense.

If Cigarettes and Valentines did get released, I would say that American Idiot would be recorded probably in like 2007 or 08.

[pasalaska]

I know we don't know what C&V sounds like, but even if it was a really, really good album, I don't think GD would be as big as they are now.

Think about it this way: sure, they would have gotten radio play, they'd have toured, etc, etc, but I don't think it would have exploded the way American Idiot did. American Idiot was an album that was the right thing at the right time. The world was still feeling the affects of 9/11, and america was heading into the 2004 election, with the War Againt Terror(ism) still going. There was alot of anti-american sentiment, or at least anti-bush sentiment going around.

American Idiot was huge not only because it's a great album, but because it's timing was spot-on.

Everyone knows American Idiot (the song). I just don't think Cigarettes and Valentines would have spread like AI did. C&V would have had a few months of radio play and a bit of time in the charts, but it would really only be popular amongst already existing GD fans, whereas AI reached millions of people, spent forever in the charts, and created legions of new fans (myself included).

[21Heart_Grenades]

I think that if C&V didn't get "stolen" then Green Day wouldn't be the big band that they are today. Sure, we don't have any idea what the actual music sounds like, even though they did play some songs, they could've changed the songs a little. So, really this is like a trick question where no one in the whole entire frickin' world knows except for, in this case, Green Day. So, if you wanted to know I'd say go ask them yourself, or let me do it, I'd be honored. But seriously, if C&V came out and AI didn't then Green Day wouldn't have all these things boosting their career, like the AI musical, and they wouldn't have made Bullet in a Bible or stuff like that. Besides, they had time to actually evaluate the music and give C&V another shot. I think that it'll be way better for Green Day to release C&V out now than when they were going to because they have become a better band throughout the past 7 years. So, in my opinion, that was the biggest blessing in disguise Green Day could've got, and I don't even believe in blessings in disguise!!!

[November's Storms]

What I don't get is this. If the guys wrote C&V and didn't believe the song were "maximum Green Day", why did they go with the whole stolen songs story? Was it because they had leaked a release date or the fact that they were working on a new album to the media?

Unless people were expecting the new album, I can't see why they couldn't just quietly scrap those songs and write the AI ones.

[dawn71]

I'm a big believer in that everything happens for a reason.

If not for American Idiot I may not have found the fight in me to survive my massive injuries

I sustained during deployment in Afghanistan or to keep fighting while in a hospital in

Germany to make it. I thank the person that stole those masters of C&V, I know

that may be a horrible thing to say but in my heart I know I might not be here if not

for AI lyrics that spoke to me and showed me that deep down inside me I had the

strength to fight this. Still to this day I continue to fight, I fight for the ability to

help someone overcome the worst of circumstances and to me Green Day's music has

that ability times 100,00,000+ They have given me strength to survive when my

son was murdered, and other things that are to hard to speak of, and they helped

me after my injuries took my hope and dignity away. As I said everything happens

for a reason in this life.......

[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

(answering in bits for the sake of it being clear) Me too.

No, of course they didn't accidentally leave a phone unhooked, I'm not saying that, but just because there is a recording of something, doesn't immediately make it a demo. It makes it a recording of a song, nothing more than that.

I didn't mean they left it accidentally unhooked, but it definitely wasn't recorded by a phone. It's doubtful it was even recorded in a studio, but definitely not a phone.

The phone was just an example, I just meant that it's not a professional recording, probably nothing more than something like a microphone recording the band playing the song.

That only confirms that the time of release of a song doesn't mean the song was written for the album it was released on (or in this case, the period of time it was released in), which was my exact point.

But does it not prove it more likely? I mean, most songs on albums are written at the time they're working on the album, don't you agree?

No, it does not prove it more likely, but just because a song is "released" (I wouldn't call the way those songs got out a proper release) at a specific time, does not mean at all it was intended for the album they were working on at the time. There is a difference between the songs that end up on the album and how likely it is to know what they were written for, and songs they happened to play and record once, drop one file of them on a forum or whatever way the songs got out and how likely it is to know what those were written for.

Sorry, I meant 'soundcheck', typo. I accidentally typed soundtrack because the words sound very similar.

I thought you might have meant that, but I figured I'd ask anyway. Hopefully we get a studio version though, because I really liked that song. That and Olivia, and I guess Stay the Night as well, but I'd rather have Olivia and Dreamcatcher.

Yeah, I hope so too. I want recordings from everything, haha. I really like Stay The Night (unsurprising considering I really like Too Much Too Soon as well). And let's not forget the unnamed Oh Girl song, which is very nice as well.

[November's Storms]

I'm a big believer in that everything happens for a reason.

If not for American Idiot I may not have found the fight in me to survive my massive injuries

I sustained during deployment in Afghanistan or to keep fighting while in a hospital in

Germany to make it. I thank the person that stole those masters of C&V, I know

that may be a horrible thing to say but in my heart I know I might not be here if not

for AI lyrics that spoke to me and showed me that deep down inside me I had the

strength to fight this. Still to this day I continue to fight, I fight for the ability to

help someone overcome the worst of circumstances and to me Green Day's music has

that ability times 100,00,000+ They have given me strength to survive when my

son was murdered, and other things that are to hard to speak of, and they helped

me after my injuries took my hope and dignity away. As I said everything happens

for a reason in this life.......

Thats why I love GD and why I love music. It can get you through so much

[rinu]

No,no,noooo.I had forgotten that but you reminded me again.Damn!!!I wonder if it existed or who stole it.Things like that are always in my mind.Now I don't think much about it but I still wonder.

[parinaz]

you really think it was stolen? I don't think at all, it was a trick made up by them cuz the album probably suck.so they decided to make a new one.

[green day is]

The phone was just an example, I just meant that it's not a professional recording, probably nothing more than something like a microphone recording the band playing the song.

Well, I consider that a demo at least.

No, it does not prove it more likely, but just because a song is "released" (I wouldn't call the way those songs got out a proper release) at a specific time, does not mean at all it was intended for the album they were working on at the time. There is a difference between the songs that end up on the album and how likely it is to know what they were written for, and songs they happened to play and record once, drop one file of them on a forum or whatever way the songs got out and how likely it is to know what those were written for.

They were released on the official site, since you didn't know how they got out.

Yeah, I hope so too. I want recordings from everything, haha. I really like Stay The Night (unsurprising considering I really like Too Much Too Soon as well). And let's not forget the unnamed Oh Girl song, which is very nice as well.

I'd also like them to go back and make professional recordings of their old unreleased songs, like You Can't Fool Me and the fan-named World vs. World. Those would be really cool.

[failure00]

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[Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love]

Well, I consider that a demo at least.

I don't think that's enough info to call it a demo. Suppose that's a difference of opinion on what's a demo, then

They were released on the official site, since you didn't know how they got out.

I thought they were posted on the IC forum? Did they like, make a news post on the official site "here's a bunch of songs for you guys" or something? (if it was a news post, I'd like to go and check what exactly the songs they were called. Just to know. )

I'd also like them to go back and make professional recordings of their old unreleased songs, like You Can't Fool Me and the fan-named World vs. World. Those would be really cool.

That would be nice as well.

[green day is]

Well, I consider that a demo at least.

I don't think that's enough info to call it a demo. Suppose that's a difference of opinion on what's a demo, then

They were released on the official site, since you didn't know how they got out.

I thought they were posted on the IC forum? Did they like, make a news post on the official site "here's a bunch of songs for you guys" or something? (if it was a news post, I'd like to go and check what exactly the songs they were called. Just to know. )

I'd also like them to go back and make professional recordings of their old unreleased songs, like You Can't Fool Me and the fan-named World vs. World. Those would be really cool.

That would be nice as well.

I don't know if it was the IC forum or the website itself, but back in 1999-2003 Billie Joe used to put out messages. Most of them talked about GD news and where they were at the moment, but amongst those they played a bunch of demos and three Christmas songs. They played What About Today, Things I Heard Today, Minnesota Girl, Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree, Santa Claus is coming to Town, The First Noel, and they also played a little bit of "Outsider" but I'm pretty damn sure it was just a shit-for-quality version of the studio version we have today. They also almost played Poprocks and Coke (before IS of course) but they didn't for a reason I can't remember. I could upload the zip file with all the messages, if you want.

[Hermione]

^They were phone messages from Billie posted on greenday.com (there were Tre ones too but no one recorded them ). He played the songs down the phone, that's why the quality's so bad.

There's actually a zip file of them in the downloads section, saves you uploading them.

[Axel]

Most of you kids wouldn't even be on this site.

[koolkev]

I think it's GONE like NOBODY noes where it is at all

otherwise it would be leaked

[green day is]

^They were phone messages from Billie posted on greenday.com (there were Tre ones too but no one recorded them ). He played the songs down the phone, that's why the quality's so bad.

There's actually a zip file of them in the downloads section, saves you uploading them.

I still find it doubtful that the songs were played in the phone. They were too good quality for phones. Try playing through an amp onto a phone sometime.

[in_your_face]

Well, it's hard to say, but they should have been somewhere pretty much down the music list. it was God's will and they ne'er would have produced an album like AI if C&V was released at that period.

[November's Storms]

Most of you kids wouldn't even be on this site.

Thats a bit rich coming from someone with 86 posts.

Be a patronizing ass elsewhere