J'net Posted November 19, 2010 Author Posted November 19, 2010 -- are they really building a theme here, or does Marc Webb need glasses? Thanks for the morning chuckle .
Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love Posted November 19, 2010 Posted November 19, 2010 maybe it's not a mistake cause in Holiday you can see it at the end too Same for how you can see the track/conveyor belt they're walking on in Boulevard of Broken Dreams.
Bastard of 1967 Posted November 19, 2010 Posted November 19, 2010 Same for how you can see the track/conveyor belt they're walking on in Boulevard of Broken Dreams. How'd I miss the Holiday staging, particularly at the end? Very, very blatant and deliberate. No way that Sam Bayer could've accidentally missed that. On BOBD, though, unless I missed something obvious the conveyor belt's appearance is a lot more subtle, I only noticed it once and for just a quick "blink and you'll miss it" second. Regardless, I do think now that there's something more intentional or deliberate going on with the band (and their video directors) allowing the staging to "intrude" into some of their video shoots.
Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love Posted November 19, 2010 Posted November 19, 2010 How'd I miss the Holiday staging, particularly at the end? Very, very blatant and deliberate. No way that Sam Bayer could've accidentally missed that. On BOBD, though, unless I missed something obvious the conveyor belt's appearance is a lot more subtle, I only noticed it once and for just a quick "blink and you'll miss it" second. Regardless, I do think now that there's something more intentional or deliberate going on with the band (and their video directors) allowing the staging to "intrude" into some of their video shoots. Well, in my memory it showed more often than it actually does (as human brains often exaggerate memories), but it's still visible a fair few times, at 1:44, 2:01, 2:19 very clearly, and in 3:01 you can't see the belt, but the image is way out of proportion. And from 4:10 on a couple of times very shortly. I don't think Sam staged it like that, "let's have the conveyor belt show a bunch of times", but I don't think it was accidents either. I agree there's definitely intentional things like that going on. Same with how you can clearly see that the American Idiot film was in a big hall, often it's visible on the sides.
†...HAUSHINKA...† Posted November 19, 2010 Posted November 19, 2010 I like this song very much and it was the opening song at the concert so it's bound to so many emotions that I have to love it!^^
justcause Posted November 20, 2010 Posted November 20, 2010 Well, in my memory it showed more often than it actually does (as human brains often exaggerate memories), but it's still visible a fair few times, at 1:44, 2:01, 2:19 very clearly, and in 3:01 you can't see the belt, but the image is way out of proportion. And from 4:10 on a couple of times very shortly. I don't think Sam staged it like that, "let's have the conveyor belt show a bunch of times", but I don't think it was accidents either. I agree there's definitely intentional things like that going on. Same with how you can clearly see that the American Idiot film was in a big hall, often it's visible on the sides. Bayer was so creative for those videos - the stuff he did for Boulevard, like cigarette-burning the film, and for Idiot, filming Billie, Mike and Tre at different speeds - it just blew me away and inspired me so much.
Daughter.of.Rage.and.Love Posted November 20, 2010 Posted November 20, 2010 Bayer was so creative for those videos - the stuff he did for Boulevard, like cigarette-burning the film, and for Idiot, filming Billie, Mike and Tre at different speeds - it just blew me away and inspired me so much. Yes, I loved that too, and it's indeed so creative. I especially love the effect the attacking the film with cigarettes and coffee created, without looking tacky. And how the film playing in the background that's the landscape is just, only just showing that they're not actually out in the desert - but not in a way that it looks fake. But, I love everything about the Holiday/BoBD videos - they're quite perfect for the songs and are connected really well.
gdpony Posted November 20, 2010 Posted November 20, 2010 Amazing how this song gives me goosebumps and brings tears to my eyes three weeks after I first heard it live
Nimrod2309 Posted November 20, 2010 Posted November 20, 2010 Fabulous lyric there..... but I draw a broader conclusion from them...... Fucking brilliant opening of an equally fucking brilliant album. The things you said in between=Awesome as fuck! Thank you
Zalex Posted November 21, 2010 Posted November 21, 2010 It is still "From mexico to the berlin wall" to me.
clairemarie Posted November 21, 2010 Posted November 21, 2010 I absolutely adore this song to pieces! It's beautiful beyond belief. I think it's the perfect wa to start off the album (well minus Song of the Century of course). I wish they would have made this the first single off the record because everyone knows Know Your Enemy wasn't Green Day at their best. Plus, it's the title of the album and it's such a kick-ass song. I would think it's the obvious choice for a first single.
Bastard of 1967 Posted November 21, 2010 Posted November 21, 2010 I absolutely adore this song to pieces! It's beautiful beyond belief. I think it's the perfect wa to start off the album (well minus Song of the Century of course). I wish they would have made this the first single off the record because everyone knows Know Your Enemy wasn't Green Day at their best. Plus, it's the title of the album and it's such a kick-ass song. I would think it's the obvious choice for a first single. There was speculation at the time that it was going to be, but then the demo leaked and "they" (the band, Warner's marketing, Butch Vig, or some combination of the three) decided to hold it back. Don't know how much truth there actually is to that. The things you said in between=Awesome as fuck! Thank you Thaks for that.
Isabel Posted November 22, 2010 Posted November 22, 2010 <3 that's all I need when discussing this song.
love_billie_joe Posted November 22, 2010 Posted November 22, 2010 officially one of the best songs live!
clairemarie Posted November 22, 2010 Posted November 22, 2010 There was speculation at the time that it was going to be, but then the demo leaked and "they" (the band, Warner's marketing, Butch Vig, or some combination of the three) decided to hold it back. Don't know how much truth there actually is to that. But they made it a single later on, so I don't really get why the timing of it would change anything. Wouldn't they know they would release it at some time as a single so then just put it out their first?
E!!i Posted November 22, 2010 Posted November 22, 2010 There was speculation at the time that it was going to be, but then the demo leaked and "they" (the band, Warner's marketing, Butch Vig, or some combination of the three) decided to hold it back. Don't know how much truth there actually is to that. if this is true they're really dumb, I mean this isn't a reason to not release that song at first, I also think this would have been a great first single and the album would have been better represented cause now no one really knows the song 21st Century Breakdown cause it was released at the same time with East Jesus Nowhere
Bastard of 1967 Posted November 22, 2010 Posted November 22, 2010 But they made it a single later on, so I don't really get why the timing of it would change anything. Wouldn't they know they would release it at some time as a single so then just put it out their first? I don't pretend to know what goes on in the minds of the various people involved in the marketing of this album. When the most successful single on the album turns out to be a ballad you know something ain't right in Burbank.
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