Billie Joe during AI in Peru

[Sharmellow]

It's true that everyone has the right to voice in their opinions, but that statement just crossed the line.

[sara_gd]

I think that the fact that his father died of cancer has something to do, more that in if was another disease that this man had. I mean, I think cancer has an impact on Billie, so it's like "he can die like my dad did, 'cause he deserves it", only that he would only say when he gets really angry of course...I don't really know how to explain it.

[Metanoia]

You guys may be right of course he has the right to say his opinion on things but really hes a grown up he should know it better than just "he should die" that really goes too far......its not even Hitler or whatever man who killed million of people (and even in that case id never say hed deserve to die becaue no fucking one does.) its just Steve Jobs who never did anything against billie or something.....idk it just dissapoints me.

[sara_gd]

You guys may be right of course he has the right to say his opinion on things but really hes a grown up he should know it better than just "he should die" that really goes too far......its not even Hitler or whatever man who killed million of people (and even in that case id never say hed deserve to die becaue no fucking one does.) its just Steve Jobs who never did anything against billie or something.....idk it just dissapoints me.

I don't think this has anything to do with 'opinions' (the Steve Jobs thing I mean, not all the technology stuff).

He's human, you know. He was angry and he said that.

[Metanoia]

^ yeah of course hes human maybe it was just a spontanous qoute out of anger but he still should think before saying something like that.

[sara_gd]

^ yeah of course hes human maybe it was just a spontanous qoute out of anger but he still should think before saying something like that.

That's what my mum tells me all the time D: yeah, you are right.

[TaylorKlinke]

Wow, usually I agree with what Billie Joe says. But not this, that comment definitely crossed the line. He can have his opinion but "die of cancer" is horrible to wish upon anyone, even an enemy. Plus, Green Day knows they have a voice...so they should know when to hold back some of the anger/thoughts. He could have phrased it in a better way, I guess is what I'm saying.

[captain peroxide]

its not even Hitler or whatever man who killed million of people (and even in that case id never say hed deserve to die becaue no fucking one does.)

Sorry, but Hitler deserved to die. Preferably sometime before the 1930s. And it's stupid to pretend otherwise. The difference it's not for anyone to decide or make that choice. But he deserved to die.

To quote Gandalf, "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them?"

[Trotsky]

Second Godwin.

Seriously, it's not like "OMG he invented IPods technology is evil." Apple has some of the most vicious and unethical business practices on Earth and they most definitely abuse their workers in horrific ways.

[mallorymaloney]

Yeah, everyone needs to stop with this, 'I WULD NEVAH WISH DEFF UPON NE1' bullshit they're trying to make themselves believe, because it's just that --- Bullshit.

It's simply not possible that all of you holding this overly pacifistic point of view have never had an even slightly murderous thought about anyone your entire lives.

[luvgirlcl]

Yeah, everyone needs to stop with this, 'I WULD NEVAH WISH DEFF UPON NE1' bullshit they're trying to make themselves believe, because it's just that --- Bullshit.

It's simply not possible that all of you holding this overly pacifistic point of view have never had an even slightly murderous thought about anyone your entire lives.

Well, I can't speak for everybody else, but my point of view on the whole 'I wouldn't wish death on anyone' it's not being a pacifist or anything like that, it's just that I think that a (somewhat fair) retribution to anyone who has done something horrible it's not death, because it's the easy way out, it's to keep on living with the guilt and the weight of your actions....but this is not the case (Billie got mad, whatever, end of story), it's not like he killed someone.

[mallorymaloney]

Well, I can't speak for everybody else, but my point of view on the whole 'I wouldn't wish death on anyone' it's not being a pacifist or anything like that, it's just that I think that a (somewhat fair) retribution to anyone who has done something horrible it's not death, because it's the easy way out, it's to keep on living with the guilt and the weight of your actions....but this is not the case (Billie got mad, whatever, end of story), it's not like he killed someone.

I understand, but I never said anything about commiting murder. That's an altogether different thing --- I was referring to thoughts of murder or other serious ill-wishing.

I simply find it extremely difficult to believe all these people saying they'd never do such a thing have never themselves thought a violent thought about another human being their entire lives. It's nigh impossible.

[Guest Mia Joe]

Wow, I gotta say I'm a bit shocked. Haven't read any threads lately so I didn't catch this until now..

Steve Jobs isn't there pointing an iPhone in his face, so wtf??

[Desensitized09]

Lmao at this entire thread. People... come on now.

To quote Family Guy, "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it!" Everyone has their opinions, yes, but this is ridiculous (in my opinion! HA!) I'm sure we've all wished at one point or another that the world would be a better place if a certain person was wiped off of the face of the earth. The only difference is that Billie said it to thousands of people who hang onto his every word. Don't judge to harshly.

Hugs! Not drugs!

[luvgirlcl]

I understand, but I never said anything about commiting murder. That's an altogether different thing --- I was referring to thoughts of murder or other serious ill-wishing.

I simply find it extremely difficult to believe all these people saying they'd never do such a thing have never themselves thought a violent thought about another human being their entire lives. It's nigh impossible.

I think, in a way, much of what was discussed was a bit pointless, mainly because, when you go into a fit of rage or anger, you become irrational, and by definition, you can't apply rationality to it, therefore, you can't just analize it, you know? It's obvious that everyone, at some moment in their lives, will have had a violent thought like that (it would be like saying that you have never gotten mad about anything)...I think the thing everyone is disagreeing upon is the fact that it went from Billie thinking it, to saying it out loud.

[mallorymaloney]

I think, in a way, much of what was discussed was a bit pointless, mainly because, when you go into a fit of rage or anger, you become irrational, and by definition, you can't apply rationality to it, therefore, you can't just analize it, you know? It's obvious that everyone, at some moment in their lives, will have had a violent thought like that (it would be like saying that you have never gotten mad about anything)...I think the thing everyone is disagreeing upon is the fact that it went from Billie thinking it, to saying it out loud.

Very good points, and I'm glad someone gets what I'm trying to say!

And yeah, although the way Billie said it is almost as if it should count as a thought, y'know what I mean? Like you said, in a fit of rage/anger/etcetera you become totally irrational, so shouldn't Billie's outburst be classfied in that category ...? I think yes. But clearly, most don't seem to understand that.

Although I keep bouncing back and forth from 'He totally meant every word' to 'He was insanely pissed and didn't give a fuck and just spit out whatever he was thinking of right then' to 'A bit of both and with a touch of showmanship added in'.

[luvgirlcl]

Very good points, and I'm glad someone gets what I'm trying to say!

And yeah, although the way Billie said it is almost as if it should count as a thought, y'know what I mean? Like you said, in a fit of rage/anger/etcetera you become totally irrational, so shouldn't Billie's outburst be classfied in that category ...? I think yes. But clearly, most don't seem to understand that.

Although I keep bouncing back and forth from 'He totally meant every word' to 'He was insanely pissed and didn't give a fuck and just spit out whatever he was thinking of right then' to 'A bit of both and with a touch of showmanship added in'.

I'm leaning more to the third option: we all know he's not the biggest technology fan in the world, add the fact that the audience was not responding as he probably expected them to do (while being more interested in taping the moment rather than living it), got mad, said angry stuff (of which he must've really meant the whole 'WE ARE ALIVE!', live-the-moment-rant, which was kinda LOL). Also, there's this thing (it's a theory of some sorts, if I'm not mistaken) that the way you act/react to things changes when you are on a stage, so everything gets amplified (a bit of St.Billie came out, maybe?).

So, in my best guess, it boils down to this: he was trying to engage the audience, got mad because everyone was busy filming/taking photos, started to rant about it, said some things that can qualify as a result of a moment of irrationality, and that's it. That's as simple as one can put it, because there's so many things involved (we're talking about a human being, after all!), that the complexity it's just too damn much to explain and put into words without this turning into a 100 page essay on human psychology.

Here's what I do when people get all irrational, shouting and spitting out words at me: I ignore them, tell them to chill, and come back when they've cooled down. It's impossible to deal and talk with anyone who's being irrational, there's just no chance.

[CoronerChik]

Billie hates technology, wouldn't it be something if they released their next album on vinyl only? There'd be a run on turntables!

[Maura99]

I guess we shouldn't take this all so literal. Maybe his only point was to raise some controversy. To make people really think about stuff and form some well-founded opinions about it. Judging by the length of this thread, that is exactly what he achieved.

[LMC]

To quote Family Guy, "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it!"

LOL. Do you seriously think that's originally from Family Guy?

Go read a book ffs.

Voltaire said it...

/offtopic

[Fuzz]

Yeah, everyone needs to stop with this, 'I WULD NEVAH WISH DEFF UPON NE1' bullshit they're trying to make themselves believe, because it's just that --- Bullshit.

It's simply not possible that all of you holding this overly pacifistic point of view have never had an even slightly murderous thought about anyone your entire lives.

You're really making your argument worse. I wouldn't wish for anyone to die, nor have I ever had that thought. Why you think that's bullshit just goes to show that you're trying to convince yourself of something by trying to generalize about everyone else.

[Trotsky]

I think some people have a more aggressive mentality than others and you can't just generalize all people one way or another.

Example, I remember one time at like 4AM there was some hour long documentary on Spike TV or something about how to survive your plane being hijacked, and there was some point where it was like "After you subdue the terrorists, you should be able to find something in the back to restrain them with." And I was just thinking "Woah, this guy just tried using me as a missile to kill even more people, now why shouldn't I just cut his throat on the spot?"

[captain peroxide]

Well yeah, but hopefully there's a difference between thinking those things and actually doing them. I might kick the guy in the head until he passed out, but I have no desire to actually kill anyone. I would think about it, sure, but I wouldn't do it.

[Boston]

Dear Billie,

We get that you hate MTV and technology, even though your band wouldn't be heard on this scale without them. Please stop being a douchebag and ranting at concerts and contradicting your own viewpoints.

Love,

Green Day Fans x

EDIT: I love Billie and Green Day, I obviously wouldn't be here otherwise, but even those you love have their moments.

[sara_gd]

I think, in a way, much of what was discussed was a bit pointless, mainly because, when you go into a fit of rage or anger, you become irrational, and by definition, you can't apply rationality to it, therefore, you can't just analize it, you know? It's obvious that everyone, at some moment in their lives, will have had a violent thought like that (it would be like saying that you have never gotten mad about anything)...I think the thing everyone is disagreeing upon is the fact that it went from Billie thinking it, to saying it out loud.

This.

But why is this still creating such an argument? We all say things we don't necessarily mean when we're angry. It's not a big deal...