Are Green Day and the AI cast getting annoying

[colormestoopid]

I am really sorry to laugh at this, but I'm going to have to laugh at it.

It's KILLING YOU? Are you serious? Get a grip, people, as Plaid Ducky said, some of these cast members were famous before Green Day came along. You really think that they are trying to ride Green Day's coattails? And so what IF they were? It's an awesome opportunity that they all have in this show, and you ride your surf board to glory as much as you can.

AND YOU THINK THAT GREEN DAY DOESN'T WANT THEM TO BE WITH THEM TO PROMOTE THE SHOW THAT THEY LOVE?????

Lord, people, sometimes I think everyone around here is like five. It doesn't matter IF YOU LIKED the idea or not... the IDEA is out there and done and frankly, there is nothing anyone can do about it.

Sheesh, finally Green Day sees their dream of this come true, by making it what they wanted it to be in the first place, and this is the reaction that they get from FANS? It's fine that you don't like it, but it's KILLING YOU is so over the top that it borders beyond the ridiculous.

We (me Toni Kayla and Nicole) all slow clapped you. Summed up EXACTLY what we were thinking. This thread fucking rediculous.

[Mar]

Cause you know simulated sex, heroine use, constant swearing, and losing limbs is SO HIGH SCHOOL.

Hey, if America keeps going down the tubes like it is, it'll be SO MIDDLE SCHOOL!

[St. Banana]

Yeah I am getting fed up, and I agree with you to an extent. I don't feel as...strongly...about it as it seems you do, but I honestly am getting sick of the AI cast performing outside the theatre, especially if they perform 21 Guns

[Hermione]

exactly. 21CB isn't getting what AI got and the few times that it does the album and Green Day get shoved assize for the musical and the cast fucking ruins it.

No, they haven't been "shoved aside", it's their choice! It's Green Day's album and it's Green Day's musical. Like it or not, the way things have happened is the band's choice. They're doing what they want to do, and they're happy doing it. They're extremely happy about and proud of the musical.

I'm not a fan of the musical either. But just because we don't enjoy something Green Day does, it doesn't mean Green Day didn't choose to do it or it's someone else's fault. The cast are just doing their job - it's the band who've decided everything!

[GDM]

This topic should have a pole.

This is true. I don't think it's entirely an illusion though. Even though they haven't done that many tv performance etc with the cast, they haven't done that many on their own either. No Storytellers etc, not nearly as many cool performances and tv appearances as we got with American Idiot. Or at least not nearly as many major, really worth watching ones. The promotion of and choice of singles has been so half-hearted and low key. It's not how much musical stuff they've done, it's how little 21st CB stuff it seems like they've done in comparison.

I can agree with this to a point. The only problem is that 21CB dropped off the charts really fast and wasn't as successful as AI. This is also probably a contributing factor in why the boys haven't had as many appearances on their own as they did during AI.

[in_your_face]

one word ~ NAH.

[GDM]

Cause you know simulated sex, heroine use, constant swearing, and losing limbs is SO HIGH SCHOOL.

INDEED!!

BTW, Billie Joe went to see one of the performers from AI do a show in NYC last night. I guess someone FORCED him to attend that show since the cast is taking over Green Day's life and career. It's not like he probably actually wanted to see anyone from AI perform outside of the show. It's not like they are his friends or anything or that the cast looks up to Green Day and worships the ground that they walk on or that Green Day considers them part of their musical family. No, nothing like that.

Poor Billie Joe.

/sarcasm

Also, when I went to see AI on Friday and Billie Joe and Mike were there, it was pretty awesome to (again) see how focused they are on the show.

My last thoughts on this is that everyone is entitled to their opinion. Like I said, I had many issues with the show and still do, but as someone who has seen a lot of theater (and AI itself about eight times now, in Berkeley and NYC), I find the show to be different from a lot of Broadway stuff I've seen and for that, I completely applaud them. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but when it borders on the hysterical and irrational, you have to say something.

Lastly, the one thing that people in this thread have not thought of is that the musical does something that none of those who hate the show or idea of the show have thought of: it has created the opportunity for Green Day's music to live on and be sung LIVE by voices long after the members of Green Day are dead and gone and there's only vinyl left. And sung and heard by people who would never give GD the time of day if it weren't a B'way show. To me, this is one of the most exciting things about the show. The arranger, Tom Kitt, did a magnificent job of arrangement, and has created the basis of American Idiot to live on for decades to come, to be heard LIVE. That is something to be grateful about, not upset, frankly.

Anyway, to each their own opinion.

I'm embarrased that Green Day are playing during a football game.

Haha, nice! Aw, sorry, dude.

[justcause]

Lastly, the one thing that people in this thread have not thought of is that the musical does something that none of those who hate the show or idea of the show have thought of: it has created the opportunity for Green Day's music to live on and be sung LIVE by voices long after the members of Green Day are dead and gone and there's only vinyl left. And sung and heard by people who would never give GD the time of day if it weren't a B'way show. To me, this is one of the most exciting things about the show. The arranger, Tom Kitt, did a magnificent of arrangement, and has created the basis of American Idiot to live on for decades to come, to be heard LIVE. That is something to be grateful about, not upset, frankly.

Great music will always live and find its way to people, it will always be voiced because it demands to be voiced. I imagine Mozart's music is being performed all over the world as I'm writing these words, that there are companies performing Shakespeare's words - and kids strumming out Green Day songs. A song like Good Riddance - which I heard a kid busking to on the street yesterday - doesn't survive simply because it's promoted, it survives because it's required.

My only issue with the musical is - umm, the 'musical' aspect of it, as in what they've done to the songs. I feel like whoever - I'm assuming it's Tom Kitt - hasn't engaged with the form at all, therefore it feels like the songs are embellished and diluted instead of being expanded.

All that said, I look forward to when this gets freed up to amateur groups - I'd like to see it performed in shopping mall car-parks, raw and unadorned in all of its power.

[Sara.]

I really don't see the problem with the cast, they are all so talented and performs Green Days songs really well and different. And the musical itself totally blew me away.

I remember at the opening night at Broadway Billie said something like 'this is the biggest thing that ever happened to us in our career', this obviously means a lot to Green Day.

[GDM]

Great music will always live and find its way to people, it will always be voiced because it demands to be voiced. I imagine Mozart's music is being performed all over the world as I'm writing these words, that there are companies performing Shakespeare's words - and kids strumming out Green Day songs. A song like Good Riddance - which I heard a kid busking to on the street yesterday - doesn't survive simply because it's promoted, it survives because it's required.

All that said, I look forward to when this gets freed up to amateur groups - I'd like to see it performed in shopping mall car-parks, raw and unadorned in all of its power.

And you know that's not what I meant, particularly that last part, Angeline.

And actually, so what if amateur groups do it? And when was the last time you've seen anything performed in a shopping mall car-park? Oy, you guys are so not seeing the forest for the trees.

[justcause]

And you know that's not what I meant, particularly that last part, Angeline.

And actually, so what if amateur groups do it? And when was the last time you've seen anything performed in a shopping mall car-park? Oy, you guys are so not seeing the forest for the trees.

I think we have a lot of crossed wires going on here. I would love to see amateur groups doing it - matter of fact, at some point there was stuff on YouTube of students putting on their own show of the AI record itself, no formal 'stage', they were just on a staircase or somesuch. It was rough and imperfect and fucking great.

Seriously, I know you're into edgey stuff, and I wasn't getting at you with my 'car park' thing - it was just a notion that's been coming to me. Why not a shopping mall car-park? Think of all of the spaces Green Day played on the road to AI - sometimes because it was what was available, but sometimes because 'no-one's ever done this before'. It would be fucking great - in fact, I challenge the AI cast to just go do it.

[GDM]

I think we have a lot of crossed wires going on here. I would love to see amateur groups doing it - matter of fact, at some point there was stuff on YouTube of students putting on their own show of the AI record itself, no formal 'stage', they were just on a staircase or somesuch. It was rough and imperfect and fucking great.

Seriously, I know you're into edgey stuff, and I wasn't getting at you with my 'car park' thing - it was just a notion that's been coming to me. Why not a shopping mall car-park? Think of all of the spaces Green Day played on the road to AI - sometimes because it was what was available, but sometimes because 'no-one's ever done this before'. It would be fucking great - in fact, I challenge the AI cast to just go do it.

Haha, ok. No worries, this thread makes me testy, lol.

I heard about that show you are talking about, but I think I missed the Youtube video of it.

[Robin105]

I agree with what you are saying. I'm a fan of the musical but im not obsessed with it. My friends are obsessed with it and it drives me nuts. It would make me feel better if Green Day would perform without them but what am I going to do? Just wait until the Musical ends then I think everything will calm down. And no Green Day have NOT sold out.

[Pharmakon]

I have something to add, although it may have already been stated.

I know the guys are going to be proud of what the cast has done, and how well Michael Mayer portrayed AI visually and all that...but I feel like Billie could possibly be getting a little annoyed with the cast's publicity as well. Anyone recall what was said right before Billie made the face he makes in my avatar? He was reading a speech that was typed for him stating that everyone in the cast was the "most talented people he'd ever worked with." We all know, and he knows that we all know, that that's bullshit. He's a musician, a ridiculously fucking famous musician. So I do feel like the cast is getting a little too much credit for this.

And I'll be the first to admit that I'd really rather just watch Green Day at these performances, not "accompanied by" anything or anyone else. Once is kinda cool, but it seems to me to have turned into a running gag...and I'm not laughing anymore. I don't even bother to watch performances that include both of them together really, unless it's a long freaking time later on youtube and I'm bored and curious.

I know that this is gonna fizzle out, but I'm just ready for it to now.

[plaid ducky]

I have something to add, although it may have already been stated.

I know the guys are going to be proud of what the cast has done, and how well Michael Mayer portrayed AI visually and all that...but I feel like Billie could possibly be getting a little annoyed with the cast's publicity as well. Anyone recall what was said right before Billie made the face he makes in my avatar? He was reading a speech that was typed for him stating that everyone in the cast was the "most talented people he'd ever worked with." We all know, and he knows that we all know, that that's bullshit. He's a musician, a ridiculously fucking famous musician. So I do feel like the cast is getting a little too much credit for this.

His exact quote was: Ready? Uh, before we get started, I just want to say we have never been around so many creative and talented people as we have on Broadway.

He does not mention the cast in there. And honestly, I doubt that Billie is annoyed by the cast's publicity because it's not their publicity's, it's the musical's. If, say, Johnny was out promoting a record or something, then it would be his publicity. What the cast does when it goes out and perform it's not cast/individual publicity... it's the musical's publicity. The cast and the musical are different entities.

And who says that people on Broadway aren't talented? Musicians aren't the only talented people in the performing arts circle. I'm sure that Billie could never do what Gallagher does every night.

Sidenote: the face the Billie made during the Tonys... I believe that that was going to the reading part not the "Broadway" part.

[BJWolf]

I really don't see the problem with the cast, they are all so talented and performs Green Days songs really well and different. And the musical itself totally blew me away.

I remember at the opening night at Broadway Billie said something like 'this is the biggest thing that ever happened to us in our career', this obviously means a lot to Green Day.

Green Day is a fucking rock band not a high school musical. That the problem in addition to the fact that Green Day's music gets zero promotion and all the promoting goes to the fuckin musical.

[GDM]

Green Day is a fucking rock band not a high school musical. That the problem in addition to the fact that Green Day's music gets zero promotion and all the promoting goes to the fuckin musical.

No, 21CB was promoted, it's just that it didn't do as well as they'd hope, by the time the end of last year happened, it had already fizzled out for the most part, and AI took over again. Who made the choices on the sings that were released, I have no idea, but they weren't the strong ones, unfortunately.

And Plaid Ducky, I think he made the face this failed joke, a combination of the reading and flat the initial joke came out of the box.

I still like Eirik's comment: they are playing a football game? Blech, lol.

[Moffie]

Billie made that face at the Tonys because he is an awkward individual and tends to get nervous while he's speaking to a large crowd at an type of awards show. We know this. As you can see in the whole speech, he keeps fiddling with his jacket. I doubt he means any disrespect/annoyance towards the cast. If he was annoyed by the cast, why would he voluntarily go to a cast member's gig the night after a big show? I don't recall anyone telling me he had a gun pressed to his back.

[st.idiot]

personally i enjoy what the band and cast do together. i think that the band has done a perfect job with putting the musical to where it has come now. i think the musical is awesome and i plan on seeing it sometime (hopefully soon). the cast deserve some attention to especially since the band was there with every step of writing and producing etc etc. so no i do not think that green day and the cast are annoying with stuff they do together.

[warding_off_regrets]

Green Day is a fucking rock band not a high school musical. That the problem in addition to the fact that Green Day's music gets zero promotion and all the promoting goes to the fuckin musical.

That is how you define them, but I think it's key to understand that when defining themselves, Green Day have never been one for labels or for doing anything to narrow their potential as artists.

Ultimately, I think your frustration is misdirected. If this wasn't what Green Day wanted, they wouldn't be doing it. Instead of being so involved, they would be more hands off and let the musical run its course. But that's not what they're doing, and you know what? They're really happy. In Hartford last Thursday, Billie told us the last few shows in America have been the most fun he has ever had. That doesn't sound like it would come from a guy who is pissed off and depressed because his band's album and the subsequent promotional opportunities have all been cockblocked by a musical.

Be pissed off at Green Day for having the balls to do what they want with their career, not at the cast and musical for being supported and nurtured by them.

It's like a kid getting mad at his little brother for being born. If you're going to get upset over such a thing, should you be mad at the kid, or the people who made him?

[LetItBeHappy]

my theory is that they're pulling out an insomniac, but with a nicer presentation

[BJWolf]

That is how you define them, but I think it's key to understand that when defining themselves, Green Day have never been one for labels or for doing anything to narrow their potential as artists.

Ultimately, I think your frustration is misdirected. If this wasn't what Green Day wanted, they wouldn't be doing it. Instead of being so involved, they would be more hands off and let the musical run its course. But that's not what they're doing, and you know what? They're really happy. In Hartford last Thursday, Billie told us the last few shows in America have been the most fun he has ever had. That doesn't sound like it would come from a guy who is pissed off and depressed because his band's album and the subsequent promotional opportunities have all been cockblocked by a musical.

Be pissed off at Green Day for having the balls to do what they want with their career, not at the cast and musical for being supported and nurtured by them.

It's like a kid getting mad at his little brother for being born. If you're going to get upset over such a thing, should you be mad at the kid, or the people who made him?

That's a very good point with some validity. I'm sure they are involved in choosing this path. It's just not what I agree with. I don't want to see Green Day turned into softy pussies like Coldplay and every time they make a decision it seems like they are heading down that path. Their music is often over produced and too polished, there is way too much piano, most of their edge has been smoothed out with the powerpop stuff they are doing, and now at any major event they play with a musical cast. This is just really fucked up. As someone pointed out they have only played with the cast during major events twice but that those were the only big events Green Day has been at this whole year and Monday night football makes it 3/3. They just need too release a fun, hard, in your face record to cure that.

[ifmemoryserves]

Their music is often over produced and too polished, there is way too much piano, most of their edge has been smoothed out with the powerpop stuff they are doing.

Powerpop? Powerpop?! POWERPOP?!

Duuuude. Green Day is in NO way at all Powerpop.

Also just because they include piano in a few songs doesn't mean they're turning into Coldplay.

Let's not get too crazy here.

[BJWolf]

Powerpop? Powerpop?! POWERPOP?!

Duuuude. Green Day is in NO way at all Powerpop.

Also just because they include piano in a few songs doesn't mean they're turning into Coldplay.

Let's not get too crazy here.

that's what they call their music now. Haven't you read any interviews?

http://www.nme.com/news/green-day/41408

[warding_off_regrets]

That's a very good point with some validity. I'm sure they are involved in choosing this path. It's just not what I agree with. I don't want to see Green Day turned into softy pussies like Coldplay and every time they make a decision it seems like they are heading down that path. Their music is often over produced and too polished, there is way too much piano, most of their edge has been smoothed out with the powerpop stuff they are doing, and now at any major event they play with a musical cast. This is just really fucked up. As someone pointed out they have only played with the cast during major events twice but that those were the only big events Green Day has been at this whole year and Monday night football makes it 3/3. They just need too release a fun, hard, in your face record to cure that.

Well, that of course is a matter of taste and opinion. If I told you I disagreed, would you believe it?

I think you're just in a different place from a group of guys pushing forty. I'm guessing you're still in your teens and your taste in music is probably closer to what they were making when they were in their teens and early twenties too. But, they're not completely in that place anymore and the music is reflecting that. I personally think they still have an edge, but they have definitely evolved and are constantly branching out and trying new things. It's not a crime if you can't identify with what they're doing, but I think respect for how and why they're doing it is deserved.